Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 So, here we are - this amazing IFV is finally coming to the game. I'm making this thread so that we can discuss it here, what is wrong about (and I already know at 1 thing - possibly preparing a bug report already), how to play it, how it fits etc. Things that are wrong that i've noted already; - KLARA ERA is currently too weak: according to several sources, it alone can stop 30mm APFSDS (so we're looking at least at 120mm of KE protection); was able to stop a PG-7VR which (iirc) is a 600mm+ CE warhead - Mike said the thermals are 2nd generation. That is incorrect, Puma is equipped with 3rd generation thermals in real life. 2 1 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuricaxSuffers 1,806 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) hmm the era seems weird 500mm ce and 5mm ke is that the A package ? or even some kind of package ? xD i just hope we get the C-package with spike atgms as upgrade like the bmp1p? (even tho i don't have high hopes for that) and just for the lols on br 8.7 or generell upgrade kits for all 3 leopards Edited March 11, 2022 by MuricaxSuffers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, MuricaxSuffers said: hmm the era seems weird 500mm ce and 5mm ke is that the A package ? or even some king of package ? xD i just hope we get the C-package with spike atgms as upgrade like the bmp1p? (even tho i don't have high hopes for that) and just for the lols on br 8.7 The 43t Puma is with the C-package. Protection is just wholey wrong on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
伊地知虹夏正在点国策 1,288 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 22 minutes ago, Zeluar said: - Mike said the thermals are 2nd generation. That is incorrect, Puma is equipped with 3rd generation (1200x800) thermals in real life. Probably because it's closer to 720P instead of 1080P, same reason the Leopard 2PL has second gen thermals, instead of third gen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuricaxSuffers 1,806 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) so we get just another frankenstein tank ? ._. I had so high hopes for it and i got disappointed again And yes work in progress but i already know that it will still be castrated Edited March 11, 2022 by MuricaxSuffers 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 The commanders optics are the same on Leopard 2 afaik, but the gunner uses the EOTS II, which has 1280x1024px resolution for its thermal camera Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako_Reizei1 275 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) i was quite disappointed it didnt have spike but it was expected. Does it have MUSS aps in the video? Edited March 11, 2022 by Mako_Reizei1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, L963 said: The commanders optics are the same on Leopard 2 afaik, but the gunner uses the EOTS II, which has 1280x1024px resolution for its thermal camera Do you mind giving the source on that? Will make a bug report. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,745 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 If not even the PUMA qualifies for third gen thermals, which vehicles would be then? 1200x800 is clearly not 720p. 5 mm KE resistance is also quite a "bit" off, don't they read some sources before programming new vehicles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Zeluar said: Do you mind giving the source on that? Will make a bug report. Sure https://dam.hensoldt.net/m/1b7b10c3cb152fd2/original/EOTS-III-English.pdf 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 Things so far that i've found wrong with the Puma: - ERA too weak - no composite side armour (under ERA) - UFP and LFP too weak - turret NERA doesn't exist - reverse is too slow 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picolin64 130 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) Wow, 39 seconds to reload the ammo belt! Edit: Also, the belt has 100 rounds. Some webpages say it should have 200 ready to fire, is this correct? Edited March 11, 2022 by Picolin64 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, Picolin64 said: Wow, 39 seconds to reload the ammo belt! Edit: Also, the belt has 100 rounds. Some webpages say it should have 200 ready to fire, is this correct? From my knowledge it should be 200 rounds with dual feed, this is literally the Bagel situation all over again, AHEAD is completely useless 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,745 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, L963 said: From my knowledge it should be 200 rounds with dual feed, this is literally the Bagel situation all over again, AHEAD is completely useless I guess If you need 39 seconds to change to AA ammo, its not that useful 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) Submitted a report on Puma's reverse speed. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded. Thermal resolution bug reported submitted. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded. UFP armour report submitted. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded. CLARA ERA report submitted. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded. Lack of anti-KE composite side add-on beneath ERA report submitted. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded. Turret lacking its NERA armour report submitted. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded. Belly plate should be tripple layered, report submitted. Pending for approval. - Has been forwarded Engine inner wall wrong thickness, submitted. Pending for approval. NERA blocks modelled as structural steel. Pending for approval. Additional bug reports I'm planning to make: - MUSS doesn't function as intended. - Already reported by L963 and Yoshi_E Edited March 13, 2022 by Zeluar 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, Zeluar said: Things so far that i've found wrong with the Puma: - ERA too weak - no composite side armour (under ERA) - UFP and LFP too weak - turret NERA doesn't exist - reverse is too slow -commander sight has wrong magnification and field of view -gunner sight has the wrong magnification and field of view -gunner sight doesnt move with the main gun -AHEAD has too little pen -MK 30-2 ABM should have 700 RPM -MK 30-2 ABM should have dual feed I also suspect that MUSS is wrong, but I havent yet found anyone to test it with 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, L963 said: -commander sight has wrong magnification and field of view -gunner sight has the wrong magnification and field of view -gunner sight doesnt move with the main gun -AHEAD has too little pen Honestly don't have the energy for these. Feel free to report them. 7 minutes ago, L963 said: -MK 30-2 ABM should have 700 RPM I'm aware, however i'm not sure how Gaijin would model this as Puma has two modes - fast firing (less accurate) and slow firing (more accurate) modes. 7 minutes ago, L963 said: -MK 30-2 ABM should have dual feed Quite frankly, don't think any report will fix that. Feel free to report that though. 7 minutes ago, L963 said: I also suspect that MUSS is wrong, but I havent yet found anyone to test it with Haven't tested it yet sadly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuricaxSuffers 1,806 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zeluar said: I'm aware, however i'm not sure how Gaijin would model this as Puma has two modes - fast firing (less accurate) and slow firing (more accurate) modes. well m163 has 2 firings modes so it should not be that hard to model tbh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zeluar said: Honestly don't have the energy for these. Feel free to report them. will do 5 minutes ago, Zeluar said: I'm aware, however i'm not sure how Gaijin would model this as Puma has two modes - fast firing (less accurate) and slow firing (more accurate) modes. still worth a report 5 minutes ago, Zeluar said: Quite frankly, don't think any report will fix that. Feel free to report that though. actually, after some more testing it seems that the dual feed is working (somewhat). Switching between different belts takes only around a second, but reloading a belt takes a long time. Still is kinda wrong as the gun is beltless and thus you should be able to reload even if a belt isnt completely empty. Also using only one type of ammunition means you currently have half the ammo capacity. The same system as on Bagel would probably be the most fitting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holouu 4,611 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 @L963 Btw, you're going to do report about the AHEAD, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 I already reported their penetration as well as that the Puma should have target tracking that automatically sets the fuse, anything else to report? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,745 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, L963 said: I already reported their penetration as well as that the Puma should have target tracking that automatically sets the fuse, anything else to report? MELLS launcher^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 Well MELLS only comes with the S1 upgrade so its technically not wrong 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,745 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, L963 said: Well MELLS only comes with the S1 upgrade so its technically not wrong So we'll most likely to get another Puma variant to grind? I was hoping for an upgrade mod like BMP-1 to BMP-1P...which greatly enhances its combat capabilities. Edited March 11, 2022 by Thodin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 835 Report post Posted March 11, 2022 That is indeed the most likely outcome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
