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We're slowly reaching the spot where they may soon add the Embraer super tucano with BVR and AMRAAMs as a premium 6.7 pack.

 

A5c? Copy paste Mig19 with godlike missiles, flares and an unnecesary airspawn

 

AV8? reversal machine, 5km missile kills

 

J35A? One of the fastest 9.7-10.3 jets at sea level with insane high speed nose authority.... yea, at 9.7

 

Stuff that go from humble Sabres to pure gunfighters like the MiG19 or the F8U with poopy missiles and a couple or no flares? Stacking defeat after defeat for hundreds of matches?

 

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4 minutes ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

A5c? Copy paste Mig19 with godlike missiles, flares and an unnecesary airspawn

except its NOT a MiG-19 copy because it handles nothing like MiG-19 and cant pull even 7g above 900kph and LOVES to pancake into the ground because it stiffens worse than WW2 prop ...

 

i agree about the airspawn IF it got its ridiculous control stiffening fixed

 

6 minutes ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

AV8? reversal machine, 5km missile kills

and missiles barely harder to dodge than 9E. its a garbage airframe with two decent-ish missiles, again lose its airspawn and it would be just fine where it currently is

 

7 minutes ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

J35A? One of the fastest 9.7-10.3 jets at sea level with insane high speed nose authority.... yea, at 9.7

and AiM9bs, bad guns and energy retention worse than anything else in the game coupled with **** poor acceleration. if F4C can be 10.0 and Mig21 SMT can be 10.3 then 9.7 is where the J35A really should be, its not that its too low, its just that some of the planes it meets are too HIGH and should go down ...

 

and do remember, they planned to put MiG21 F-13 and PFM at 9.3 ...

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16 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

except its NOT a MiG-19 copy because it handles nothing like MiG-19 and cant pull even 7g above 900kph and LOVES to pancake into the ground because it stiffens worse than WW2 prop ...

it pulls 11g unlike mig19 that has consistent 12g pulls with no speed loss and sometimes 13-14g pulls when approaching 7 minutes of fuel and below. But even still, the Jaguar A has a very sad flight model and it's two magics make for it. Reminder that even a static helicopter with 12 advanced AAMs can win an entire enemy team without any sort of performance.

16 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

i agree about the airspawn IF it got its ridiculous control stiffening fixed

mig19, 17, f8u and f11f also suffer from control stiffening AND wing overload crashes. It's the curse of gunfighters.

16 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

 

and missiles barely harder to dodge than 9E. its a garbage airframe with two decent-ish missiles, again lose its airspawn and it would be just fine where it currently is

These missiles pull 20gs past 2km of launch, the problem is that most people don't know how to throw them, and the aim9E's speed advantage helps pulling less and earlier making it easier to hit targets faster because of a slower diagonal path rather than pure pursuit. 

16 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

and AiM9bs, bad guns and energy retention worse than anything else in the game coupled with **** poor acceleration. if F4C can be 10.0 and Mig21 SMT can be 10.3 then 9.7 is where the J35A really should be, its not that its too low, its just that some of the planes it meets are too HIGH and should go down ...

the energy retention is not bad in wide turns, and while has bad ER, it still has great acceleration, climb rate and high speed authority. Plus ADEN 30mm are the best 30mms of the game, because of damage, fire rate and velocity. NR30s do deal more damage but have very slow rate of fire leaving a lot of gaps, plus the planes with nr30s have between 60 and 130 rounds.

16 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

 

and do remember, they planned to put MiG21 F-13 and PFM at 9.3 ...

F13 is dog water, with two r3s and 60 rounds, WORSE energy retention than the j35A and very bad acceleration. PFM is almost the same, but with a similar look to mig21 bis, cool camo and a mediocre Gryazev-Shipunov 23L cannon with just three clicks. Neither a gun fighter, nor a bvr platform.

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1 hour ago, Asghaad said:

and do remember, they planned to put MiG21 F-13 and PFM at 9.3 ...

What are you talking about??????????? It's already at 9.3.

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27 minutes ago, ErickRednose@live said:

Harrier is also victim of the A5C spam, this plane should be 10.3

SRAAMs either feel lousy or I learned how to avoid them. A5C should go 10.3 cause flares and good missiles make a jet be a jet xd Aaaaanddddddddd j35 to 10.3 too cuz sped.

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16 minutes ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

SRAAMs either feel lousy or I learned how to avoid them. A5C should go 10.3 cause flares and good missiles make a jet be a jet xd Aaaaanddddddddd j35 to 10.3 too cuz sped.

 

16 minutes ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

SRAAMs either feel lousy or I learned how to avoid them. A5C should go 10.3 cause flares and good missiles make a jet be a jet xd Aaaaanddddddddd j35 to 10.3 too cuz sped.

You said everything, it's a Mig 19 with better avionics, airspawn and ace combat missiles. 

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BR says J32B lansen has same performance with J35A Draken...

I have no idea how Gaijin tought that...

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1 hour ago, ACSchnitzel said:

What are you talking about??????????? It's already at 9.3.

Isn't it typo of 9.0?

They planned to move the early MiG-21s on 9.0 but it was canceled because community oppesed it.

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1 hour ago, Ch1n4W1llNuk3JP said:

I have no idea how Gaijin tought that...

 

No thinking involved... The Almighty Algorithm knows all and sees all... 

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3 hours ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

it pulls 11g

 

no it doesnt ...

 

at 600 kph at the deck it pulls 6g

at 700 kph it does 7g

between 800-900 it does its best at 8g

above 900 it cant pull more than 7g ...

 

stop pulling nonsense from your behind, Mig-19 pulls 10g at 1000kph and once it dips under 900 it pulls 12g+ ...

 

again 1000Kph 10g vs 7 ... 900kph 12g vs ... 7-8 ...

 

 

A-5C is NOWHERE NEAR the maneuverability of MiG-19 ... what it has is energy retention, it pulls only 7g but you can stand on that elevator all day long and it wont lose any speed ...

 

 

 

3 hours ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

mig19, 17, f8u and f11f also suffer from control stiffening AND wing overload crashes. It's the curse of gunfighters.

MiG-19 pulls 30-50% higher loads, MiG17 is 9.0, F8U is basically a zero of supersonics, has best non rotary gun in the game x4 and 4 missiles (and is overtiered, should be 10.0 ...) and F11F is 9.0 ...

 

you people always look to get what makes you mad uptiered not realizing the consequences, what you are asking here is to put airframe that is significantly worse than that of a MiG-19 to 10.3 to be nothing but food for top tiers ...

 

its always "uptier this plane that kills what i play right now" without any regard to anything else ... but hey anything just so you can play your favorite MiG-19 easier right ? :lol2:

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ch1n4W1llNuk3JP said:

Isn't it typo of 9.0?

They planned to move the early MiG-21s on 9.0 but it was canceled because community oppesed it.

yes, even 9.3 sounds insane enough which is why i got it mixed up :DD

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1 hour ago, Asghaad said:

 

no it doesnt ...

 

at 600 kph at the deck it pulls 6g

at 700 kph it does 7g

between 800-900 it does its best at 8g

above 900 it cant pull more than 7g ...

 

stop pulling nonsense from your behind, Mig-19 pulls 10g at 1000kph and once it dips under 900 it pulls 12g+ ...

 

again 1000Kph 10g vs 7 ... 900kph 12g vs ... 7-8 ...

 

 

A-5C is NOWHERE NEAR the maneuverability of MiG-19 ... what it has is energy retention, it pulls only 7g but you can stand on that elevator all day long and it wont lose any speed ...

 

 

 

MiG-19 pulls 30-50% higher loads, MiG17 is 9.0, F8U is basically a zero of supersonics, has best non rotary gun in the game x4 and 4 missiles (and is overtiered, should be 10.0 ...) and F11F is 9.0 ...

 

you people always look to get what makes you mad uptiered not realizing the consequences, what you are asking here is to put airframe that is significantly worse than that of a MiG-19 to 10.3 to be nothing but food for top tiers ...

 

its always "uptier this plane that kills what i play right now" without any regard to anything else ... but hey anything just so you can play your favorite MiG-19 easier right ? :lol2:

 

 

 

 

yes, even 9.3 sounds insane enough which is why i got it mixed up :DD

Its MER is pretty crazy across the board. Airbrake down from mach 0.9+ if you want to dogfight, then you start turning excellently. This is a strike aircraft, yet you want to balance it by its ability to kill planes, which it's already proven to be incredibly good at? It carries two magics ffs, at 10.0, alongside RWR, flares, and a good few ground ordnance loadouts too. Even as a gunfighter it's capable, its not as good as the MiG-19, but that thing flies like a kite. You got pretty good handling, excellent MER and TWR, great guns, great speed, excellent avionics, and brilliant ordnance loadouts.

Stop crying.

 

What're you on about the F8U should be 10.0? Go home, you're drunk. It turns, it speeds, it has four aim 9Ds, excellent guns, get a grip.

 

While we're at it, up the J-35A at the minimum to 10.0. It's the fastest thing at 9.7, has incredible turning performance, a decent air-to-air weapons loadout, and stomps in the hands of a decent player. The only reason it's at 9.7 rn is because the people who play it are incompetent - just the other day me (scimitar) and a sea vixen collectively got 8 kills in a clutch in a full uptier, with my scimitar killing a MiG-21 squad in a 1v2, yet the Drakens both died earlygame with 0 kills each. Not a brag, those MiG-21 players weren't exactly the best, but you get my point.

 

I don't think I even need to say why the F-4C needs to go back up to 10.3. Their aim 7s aren't even rendering in headons when you're looking straight at them half the time, it's infuriating in planes that don't have RWR, which is a lot of them in 9.0-10.0. F-4F Early, MiG-21MF and SMT are also scuffed, shove them to 10.7 where they belong thanks. Shove the earlier MiG-21s back up to 9.7 too while you're at it.

 

Hell, if you really want to shove the harriers all to 10.0 and the F-5C to 10.7, but from playing the GR3 it feels like those F-5C pilots are gonna make the damn thing go to 10.0 too.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Ub3rshadow said:

Airbrake down from mach 0.9+ if you want to dogfight, then you start turning excellently.

 

again at 0.9 mach it wont turn harder than 8g... thats F104 level of bad ...

or let me put it this way, F4C which got downtiered to 10.0 will crush you in a dogfight unless you use your energy retention because even C Phantom is more maneuverable ... it just doesnt hold its energy to keep turning with you

 

11 hours ago, Ub3rshadow said:

great guns

its 23mm are GARBAGE ...

 

11 hours ago, Ub3rshadow said:

It carries two magics ffs

Magic is at best sidegrade to R-60 ... better against flares due to narrower boresight but much shorter range. and you get 2x R-60 at 9.3 ... on platform thats funnily enough slightly MORE maneuverable, except it loses energy so badly and MER is really good tool to have and can substitute maneuverability especially when the difference is just slight.

 

11 hours ago, Ub3rshadow said:

great speed

A-5C is SUBSONIC at the deck ... even Yak -38 can outrun you at sea level, you need to be at minimum at 2000m to be able to break the sound barrier ... basically every 10.0 MASSIVELY outmatches you in  speed department ... which is kinda bit problematic when your missiles have whopping 2km range in a tailchase ...

 

12 hours ago, Ub3rshadow said:

What're you on about the F8U should be 10.0? Go home, you're drunk. It turns, it speeds, it has four aim 9Ds, excellent guns, get a grip.

and it tears itself apart ...

 

its NOT equal to the MiG21 SMT ... which is faster, accelerates faster, has ridiculous countermeasure pod and 4 R-60s that are way WAY better than easy to dodge 9D ... maybe you should get a grip and look at the WHOLE PICTURE ... the BR number cant be looked at as an absolute value when the "power level" shifts this dramatically around... now you have what used to be top tier planes shuffling down the ladder because they are getting obliterated by the new top tier which is way WAY more capable than the old ones.

 

F8U should be 10.0

Harrier GR1 should either get a countermeasure pod or move down to 9.7

Planes like for example the Demon or Hunter FGA 9 should go down to 9.3 etc etc ...

 

whole meta needs to shift DOWN to make space as they refuse to decompress by upping the BR (we would need 12 maybe 13 to be the max BR at this point to sort this mess )

 

 

stop asking for everything to be uptiered to be put into a free food for top tier black hole ffs ... no SMT shouldnt be 10.7, F4C is absolutely useless even at 10.3 etc, destroying everything just so your favorite BR spread isnt affected isnt a solution, the real solution is to move DOWN not UP ...

 

you have insanely spread out BRs at 5-7 where you can find a lot of extra space if need be ... compress 5-7 into 5-6 then shuffle the jets down as needed to balance out the overcompressed jet meta.

 

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16 hours ago, Asghaad said:

 

no it doesnt ...

 

at 600 kph at the deck it pulls 6g

at 700 kph it does 7g

between 800-900 it does its best at 8g

above 900 it cant pull more than 7g ...

 

stop pulling nonsense from your behind, Mig-19 pulls 10g at 1000kph and once it dips under 900 it pulls 12g+ ...

 

again 1000Kph 10g vs 7 ... 900kph 12g vs ... 7-8 ...

 

 

A-5C is NOWHERE NEAR the maneuverability of MiG-19 ... what it has is energy retention, it pulls only 7g but you can stand on that elevator all day long and it wont lose any speed ...

 

 

 

MiG-19 pulls 30-50% higher loads, MiG17 is 9.0, F8U is basically a zero of supersonics, has best non rotary gun in the game x4 and 4 missiles (and is overtiered, should be 10.0 ...) and F11F is 9.0 ...

 

you people always look to get what makes you mad uptiered not realizing the consequences, what you are asking here is to put airframe that is significantly worse than that of a MiG-19 to 10.3 to be nothing but food for top tiers ...

 

its always "uptier this plane that kills what i play right now" without any regard to anything else ... but hey anything just so you can play your favorite MiG-19 easier right ? :lol2:

 

 

 

 

yes, even 9.3 sounds insane enough which is why i got it mixed up :DD

 

1 hour ago, Asghaad said:

 

again at 0.9 mach it wont turn harder than 8g... thats F104 level of bad ...

or let me put it this way, F4C which got downtiered to 10.0 will crush you in a dogfight unless you use your energy retention because even C Phantom is more maneuverable ... it just doesnt hold its energy to keep turning with you

 

its 23mm are GARBAGE ...

 

Magic is at best sidegrade to R-60 ... better against flares due to narrower boresight but much shorter range. and you get 2x R-60 at 9.3 ... on platform thats funnily enough slightly MORE maneuverable, except it loses energy so badly and MER is really good tool to have and can substitute maneuverability especially when the difference is just slight.

 

A-5C is SUBSONIC at the deck ... even Yak -38 can outrun you at sea level, you need to be at minimum at 2000m to be able to break the sound barrier ... basically every 10.0 MASSIVELY outmatches you in  speed department ... which is kinda bit problematic when your missiles have whopping 2km range in a tailchase ...

 

and it tears itself apart ...

 

its NOT equal to the MiG21 SMT ... which is faster, accelerates faster, has ridiculous countermeasure pod and 4 R-60s that are way WAY better than easy to dodge 9D ... maybe you should get a grip and look at the WHOLE PICTURE ... the BR number cant be looked at as an absolute value when the "power level" shifts this dramatically around... now you have what used to be top tier planes shuffling down the ladder because they are getting obliterated by the new top tier which is way WAY more capable than the old ones.

 

F8U should be 10.0

Harrier GR1 should either get a countermeasure pod or move down to 9.7

Planes like for example the Demon or Hunter FGA 9 should go down to 9.3 etc etc ...

 

whole meta needs to shift DOWN to make space as they refuse to decompress by upping the BR (we would need 12 maybe 13 to be the max BR at this point to sort this mess )

 

 

stop asking for everything to be uptiered to be put into a free food for top tier black hole ffs ... no SMT shouldnt be 10.7, F4C is absolutely useless even at 10.3 etc, destroying everything just so your favorite BR spread isnt affected isnt a solution, the real solution is to move DOWN not UP ...

 

you have insanely spread out BRs at 5-7 where you can find a lot of extra space if need be ... compress 5-7 into 5-6 then shuffle the jets down as needed to balance out the overcompressed jet meta.

 

You literally fly the a5C, of course you're gonna defend that piece of dung. :laugh:

 

As I say, you won't find it OP if you fly it. Plus you main America (aka click to win nation) and have loads of other broken premium aircraft like the early yak 38 and...the harrier gr1. My only premium planes are the F2 Super Corsair (Pass of the War) and a P55 Ascender I got this morning's login.

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10 minutes ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

 

You literally fly the a5C, of course you're gonna defend that piece of dung. :laugh:

 

As I say, you won't find it OP if you fly it. Plus you main America (aka click to win nation) and have loads of other broken premium aircraft like the early yak 38 and...the harrier gr1. My only premium planes are the F2 Super Corsair (Pass of the War) and a P55 Ascender I got this morning's login.

 

no the other way around there pal, i fly it so i know that what you are saying is absolute nonsense, you having no actual arguments and going on Ad Hominem spree just proves you are talking out of your rear here.

 

and by the way i havent payd a penny for that A-5C, just sold PFM and F11 i had from doing events, which you could have done too ... :lol2:

 

PS; US as click to win ... yeah sure its not like US is the only major nation without PD radars nor the fact that things like the JA-37 do everything better than F4E these days ... just shows how clueless are you about state of things at top tier which is why you want to throw unmaneuverable brick like A-5C or AiM9b armed J35A to the meatgrinder at 10.3+ where neither of them would stand a chance

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34 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

 

no the other way around there pal, i fly it so i know that what you are saying is absolute nonsense, you having no actual arguments and going on Ad Hominem spree just proves you are talking out of your rear here.

 

and by the way i havent payd a penny for that A-5C, just sold PFM and F11 i had from doing events, which you could have done too ... :lol2:

 

PS; US as click to win ... yeah sure its not like US is the only major nation without PD radars nor the fact that things like the JA-37 do everything better than F4E these days ... just shows how clueless are you about state of things at top tier which is why you want to throw unmaneuverable brick like A-5C or AiM9b armed J35A to the meatgrinder at 10.3+ where neither of them would stand a chance

the point is that you fly the a5C. AND now I see you even suck at it. You lose to Viggens because you get close to it, you lose to mig19s because you get close to them, like, yeah, i've gone to 11.0 with mig19 once with a friend and killed a viggen after dodging their short range front AAMs and merging in a luckily isolated 1v1, the Viggen is like a mig19 with better missiles and less retention. The A5C is not made to maneuver, it is made to sling missiles from 14km of altitude and avoid dogfights, the lightning f6 isn't maneuverable either and it slaps, the f4c isn't maneuverable either and it slaps, your problem is that you turn fight everything. You flying the easiest trash of the game and saying I don't know anything? lmao.

 

You pretending to be smart doesn't solve anything. I hadn't insulted you in a single word, so there's no ad hominem fallacy, however if I said "you suck" that would be an ad hominem fallacy. 

 

L2P. And in this case I'm right, therefore no ad hominem :) .

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19 hours ago, Ch1n4W1llNuk3JP said:

BR says J32B lansen has same performance with J35A Draken...

I have no idea how Gaijin tought that...

it's called premium bias. 90 percent of prem pack buyers suck hard so then stats get lowered. However people who sweat their hads off to grind supersonics with the 9.0 type sabres (it's just a sabre with the climb rate and retention of a mig15 what the deal is?) these have so good stats and so little players that they move up.

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1 hour ago, _KingGhidorah_ said:

the point is that you fly the a5C. AND now I see you even suck at it. You lose to Viggens because you get close to it, you lose to mig19s because you get close to them, like, yeah, i've gone to 11.0 with mig19 once with a friend and killed a viggen after dodging their short range front AAMs and merging in a luckily isolated 1v1, the Viggen is like a mig19 with better missiles and less retention. The A5C is not made to maneuver, it is made to sling missiles from 14km of altitude and avoid dogfights, the lightning f6 isn't maneuverable either and it slaps, the f4c isn't maneuverable either and it slaps, your problem is that you turn fight everything. You flying the easiest trash of the game and saying I don't know anything? lmao.

 

You pretending to be smart doesn't solve anything. I hadn't insulted you in a single word, so there's no ad hominem fallacy, however if I said "you suck" that would be an ad hominem fallacy. 

 

L2P. And in this case I'm right, therefore no ad hominem :) .

ah yes sure slinging missiles with 2km range from 14km altitude ...

 

dude whatever you are smoking, you should lay off the stuff because you are obviously hallucinating :lol2:

 

and obviously have zero idea how missiles even work, so how about you lay off the obvious trolling and go learn to play with us big boys in top tiers :lol2:

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6 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

ah yes sure slinging missiles with 2km range from 14km altitude ...

you don't know how to play the A-5. I didn't fly it either, but I saw videos of it using it as a GUNFIGHTER and it is devastating, why? because it's got rwr and flares, unlike mig19, which has just 12g pulls and retention.

6 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

dude whatever you are smoking, you should lay off the stuff because you are obviously hallucinating :lol2:

THIS is an ad hominem.

6 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

 

and obviously have zero idea how missiles even work, so how about you lay off the obvious trolling and go learn to play with us big boys in top tiers :lol2:

I know how missiles work in the game, they don't work like real life missiles. Your level of skill is so low you even find pressing a button twice with a four second gap is too much for ye. The one trolling here is you, who cries about OP trash being bRiCkY beCuz it can't out dogfight mig19s and want the freicking F8U at 10.0. But eh, if you wanted maneuverability so badly why did you exchange the mig21 pfm for the a5? That is quite a dumb move. Cope.

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6 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

ah yes sure slinging missiles with 2km range from 14km altitude ...

 

dude whatever you are smoking, you should lay off the stuff because you are obviously hallucinating :lol2:

 

and obviously have zero idea how missiles even work, so how about you lay off the obvious trolling and go learn to play with us big boys in top tiers :lol2:

Well you don't actually launch them from 14 km away. You get directly above your target which is spotted by your allies, then dive at them and launch a magic when you are 2km away. It's the most reliable way to get someone dead.

I know it because I played jaguar A when it was at 10.0, and even before I used exact same tactic with my mirage trois. And everyone who plays A-5C knows it as well or they wouldn't climb to 10km altitude at the start of every match.

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4 hours ago, Asghaad said:

its 23mm are GARBAGE ...

Ehh what??? NR-23 is pretty good now because Gaijin buffed 20mm cannons about 2-3 weeks ago except for MG151/20 and AN/M3. These changes are not mentioned in the patch notes, but even Shvak works like MG151/20 in game. I'm sorry about saying but, You have potato aim?

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19 minutes ago, pancake_addict said:

Well you don't actually launch them from 14 km away. You get directly above your target which is spotted by your allies, then dive at them and launch a magic when you are 2km away. It's the most reliable way to get someone dead.

I know it because I played jaguar A when it was at 10.0, and even before I used exact same tactic with my mirage trois. And everyone who plays A-5C knows it as well or they wouldn't climb to 10km altitude at the start of every match.

 

a ) he is trolling and flaming, no need to take him seriously

b) doing top down attacks in A-5C is sure way to redecorating the map with another smoking crater, this thing is so stiff it cant complete simple split-S downwards from 2.5km altitude without parking underground ...

c) we climb to 10km to get above Harriers and Yaks if not for those it would be better to stay at +-5km

 

 

yes i know how attacks from above with missile carrier planes work, the thing i was pointing out is that with 2km range on the Magics you have to get close no matter what approach you choose

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