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You will one-shot as Britain provided you are shooting center-mass or ammo-racks. You won't generally won't one-shot by shooting at the sides of a tank or the turret. This is because unlike APHE - which sends spall and explosive force in all directions, solid shot AP will only send spall in the direction it is traveling and won't damage anything else around it.

 

For example an APHE round penetrating a turret may kill the turret crew and also crew in the hull. A solid AP round in the same situation will only kill the turret crew in its path.

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9 hours ago, Maxwell_general said:

so ive been sticking with britain and alot of people its not that good because you mostly cant 1 shot but when i play britain i mostly 1 shot is it just me or other people just dont know where to shoot to 1 shot so they called it bad pls comment thx

 

It can be difficult to one-shot tanks when their frontal armour is too much for your ammo, which happens often. This is also very difficult to work around due to specific subtype of ammo britain prefers.

 

Pure AP can break through engines transmissions, etc. but britain, unlike french, mostly uses APDS, which works by a bit different rules. APDS flies at insane speed and is easy to aim, but also has shell degradation mechanic and causes less spalling and less damage the more armour it had to penetrate. For example, if Foch penetrates transmission of ho-ri production, hori will disintegrate from gigantic spall wall that it will create alone, meanwhile if conway APDS does that, it will either get stuck in the engine and then say "shell shattered" or only damage crew in a straight line, you will be very lucky to hit ammo racks like that. That being said even with Tortoise (default AP) it might take 12 shots to kill it if you don't know where exactly to fire. But, from long range you can just spike said hori into a side with APDS easier.

 

You can also look at Warrior for example, it has decent APDS, but if you had to use 90% of its pen to breach armour, it will take 6 shots to detonate ammo rack, which at its fire rate is... uh. But it will one-shot anything if only used 50% of its power.

 

In other words: You kinda have to flank at some point, especially when you can't just use APDS as a "die" button (this often changed as APDS pen was shifted at least 4 times on my memory making some tanks useless or bordedline op). Otherwise it's very easy to use, as long as you know where the fuel tank/ammo rack/crew is.

 

Then there is also an apparent weakness of british optics. Sure at the beginning you have X6 against X4, but by 6.3 you have same X6 against X8-X16. While yes, you have APDS that can oneshot pretty much anything and allows to snipe across the map with great shell velocity, you also have to stare at your screen very closely to understand if you will hit or not. This is not very pleasant, particularly when X16 zoomed tanks are firing HEAT-FS or APDS back at you as well.

 

APFSDS and onward is pointless talk, as it just lolpens anything at almost any angle.

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Nope. People are just bad. In fact, APHE fragment damage should look a lot more solid shot spalling damage, cuz atm and for the forseeable future APHE works with the high explosive phase unaffected entirely by inertia and explodes in a sphere radius, when in reality it would just be moreso just a wider cone than spalling would have. APHE is a nice bonus in the game, but in all honesty, it's like the Iron Man quote, "if you're nothing without APHE, then you shouldn't have it". 

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2 hours ago, Billygoatunicorn said:

Nope. People are just bad. In fact, APHE fragment damage should look a lot more solid shot spalling damage, cuz atm and for the forseeable future APHE works with the high explosive phase unaffected entirely by inertia and explodes in a sphere radius, when in reality it would just be moreso just a wider cone than spalling would have. APHE is a nice bonus in the game, but in all honesty, it's like the Iron Man quote, "if you're nothing without APHE, then you shouldn't have it". 

What APHE even has to do with britain? If you want to take APHEBC normalization on top of amount of damage it does and compare it to APDS, well, it was proven a million times that angled pen on APHE was fake for ages, and devs admitted it, then added actual pen at angles to the statcard.

 

As for "you shouldn't have APHE if you can't do without it", try playing soviet SPG like SU-85. You will very quickly find out that your tank is so short that almost any mediocre tank is 60 degree slope against you, except, maybe, for the turret. Good luck doing any damage to them frontally without APHE, how it is now (not that i like that it exists). The whole 4.3 black hole lives on this fact.

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British tanks are not bad. Some people might struggle with them because of the differences in doctrine compared to other nations. 

 

They likely always favour firepower over mobility or armour. The lack of shells with explosive filler which as stated above, might situationally limit their effectiveness in some instances (having to double shot some type of enemies). Other than that, pretty much all UK tanks are very effective in skilled hands because of their superior penetrating firepower throughout the ranks. 

 

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