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Thank you for all the feedback. We have read all the comments and taken into consideration many of them. You can see the full results here: 

 

Stay tuned to the next next week for an update table. We will also be playing close attention to many of the vehicles not changed this time, but heavily discussed and mentioned within :good:

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To open the Battle Rating changes list in a new tab, click here!

 

 

If you think we should make some additional changes or do not agree with listed changes, please support your suggestions with arguments!
We read all your feedback, so it can take some time to approve your post. Please be sure to stay on topic.

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Tree Changes Can Be Disregarded Because Topic Is BR Changes, Not Economic But Will Be Kept On Post.
On The Other Hand, Some BR's Might Bring Up The Question Of Place In The Tree.

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Japanese Air Tree Optimizations:

  1. Ki-32 & F1M2 Don't Sit Right, The Ki-32 Is A Light Bomber And Makes 10x More Sense On The Current Spot Of The F1M2 Instead Of Gatekeeping The Heavy Fighter / Interceptor Line While Playing Exactly Like A Bomber In A Compact Package, Meanwhile A Disconnected F1M2 In-front Of The Dive Bomber Line Would Be A Great Way To Give New Players A Free Skip On It If They Were To Grind Actual (Dive) Bombers And The Choice For A Floatplane In-Case They Want To Play Naval
  2. More Folders: The D4Y's, Ki-45's, A6M-N & N1K Are Clogging Up Their Lines.
  3. Ki-61 / Ki-100 - How Exactly Are The Ki-100's Lower BR Than The Ki-61's They're Based Upon? They're Slightly Better In Every Margin And Yet Are A Lower BR Than The Last Ki-61 Tei. Move Them Up In Rank And Put The Ki-100 Into The Late Ki-61 Group Instead Of Early. (Also Ki-96 Would Do Fine With A Rank Lower Honestly, It's Just A Single Seat Ki-45 At The End Of The Day)
  4. Split JASDF Planes From The Army & Navy Line And Make Them Independently Researchable. You Still Need To Research A Good Amount Of Jets Anyway To Progress And Without Them Being Forced Behind The Army Or Navy Line It Gives More Breathing Room For WWII & Post-War Vehicles Alike.

 

Japanese Coastal Fleet (Tier IV - V)

  • Shonan & Chidori: Honestly Barely Make Sense In Their Tree Placement, You Grind Through IJN SC's/PT's, To Get JMSDF PT's/Frigates To Loop Back To IJN Coastal Ships. Is There No Better Way Of Doing This? Like Either:
    1. Transfer To Bluewater Tech Tree, They Play, Have Same BR & Are Essentially Starter Destroyers. Chidori More Than Shonan. (German K-2 And Torpedoboot Are Equivalent To This Change)
    2. Weirdly Try To Allocate The Coastal Tree To Make Some Kind Of Sense. (Example I Drafted Includes Separation Of IJA Vessels):
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Battle Ratings:
Before Commenting On The Battle Ratings: One General Complaint I'd Like To Make In Light Of This All: Why Are We Compressing Further? All The Vehicles In Question Going Down Seem To Have The Issue Of Compression And Instead Of Going Lower, Everything Above It Should Be Higher. As Much As I Understand That Instantly Spreading Out BR's To, Let's Say 14.0, Would Have A Very Empty Bracket Of 12.0 => 14.0 And Many BR Gaps With Current Vehicles. (Which In My Opinion Can Work For The Time Being, Giving Breathing Room For Lower Vehicles While Having The Top Brackets Have To Struggle A Bit Until More Content Is Here To Fill It Out.)

 

Though Seeing 7.3 Jets Get Put Up To 7.7 Is A Great Start, There's Still Alot Of Compression Present At Every Jet BR.
But This Already In Turn... Creates More Again Compression Around It...

There's Too Many Vehicles Dealing With Compression Issues So I'll Just Keep It To Vehicles Close To Me I Can Fully Comment On Instead: 

 

  • Ki-27's | 1.7 => 2.0 | What Has The Ki-27 Done Wrong To Get Thrown Up From 1.3 To 2.0 In 2 BR Changes? 2 Lacking 7.7's And Turn Rate, That's All The Ki-27 Has Going For It. What Makes This Plane So Much Better In The Past 2 BR Changes To Really Deserve 2.0?? 
  • (Italy) Pz.IV G | 4.0 !!! vs 3.3 | The Italian Pz.IV With A Very Slightly Longer Gun Is A Solid BR Higher Than The German Pz.IV G Without Any Great Increase Of Firepower Or Defense, The Turret Armour Really Doesn't Warrant It Being So Much Higher. (Which Honestly At 4.0 Works, But The German One Just Doesn't Make Sense At Lower BR's.)
  • A6M5b/c Otsu / Hei | 4.7 => 5.0 | Please Gaijin, Don't Do This, The Only Difference On The B (Otsu) Is A Single 13.2 Vs A 7.7 And For The C (Hei) It's A Bigger Issue Than Upgrade In Honest Opinion. These Planes Are Barely A Slight Upgrade Over Theirselves And Really Don't Warrant Them Facing 6.0 Vehicles For Having A  > .50 Armament Instead. For All This Matters Why Aren't .50 Planes With 6 MG's In The Wing Threated The Same? 
    • A6M5b Otsu: The Exact Same Plane As The A6M5a Ko - Just 1 x 7.7 Got Swapped For A 13.2, No Other Changes.
    • A6M5c Hei: Uparmoured, Weighted & Gunned A6M5b Otsu - Has About 100 kg's More Weight Thanks To Sealed Fuel Tanks & Armoured Glass, An Additional 2 x 13.2's With The Same Ol' Engine As The Other A6M5's, And It Really Shows When Flying This Thing That It's Too Heavy For It's Own Good. It At The End Of The Day Is Still A Zero, But It Doesn't Do The Job As Well.
  • Ki-84c (Hei) | 6.3 => 6.7 | While 7.3 Gets Pushed Up, I Really Don't See Why The Ki-84 Has To Be Pushed Along, It Would Of Been Great To Keep The Ki-84 At 6.3 And Have A Fresh Breath Of Air Battles But That's Not Happening If This Change Makes It. It's A Great Plane, With Potent 30 mm's But Doesn't Warrant The Same BR As Super Props & Early Jets. It's Litterally A 5.3/5.7 Worthy Flight Characteristicwise, But Because Of 30's Gets Thrown Up To A Ludicrous +1.0 BR..
  • Chi-Nu/Chi-To/Chi-Ri vs Pz.IV's | Can The BR's Please Be Reconsidered, How Exactly Is The Pz.IV F2 Equal To The Chi-Nu With 75 mm Type 3? 103mm 0°@10m Vs 139mm 0°@10m. Lower Profile, Slightly Faster Reload Rate (Marginably Faster Reload Vs 75 mm Type 5), Slighty Better hp/ton, Shell Choice (Not A Big Factor), Smoke Nades, Etc Etc. It Just Doesn't Add Up.. And This Is Just For The Chi-Nu (Not Even II). The Chi-To/Chi-Ri Only Have 50 mm Amour It With A WAY Bigger Profile
  • Shimakaze | 4.7 RB | Please Reconsider Me Very Please. As Much As Torpedo Spamming Is A Very Strong Suit For Japanese Ships In AB, In RB Torpedoes Become Way Less Potent As Reloading Is Not A Thing Unless You Reload A Capture Zone (Which Simply Doesn't Happen) And You Only Get 15 Torpedoes Vs The 16 Torpedoes Other Japanese Destoyers Get. Please Put Her Back At 4.3 For RB.
  • BR CAP IN NAVAL | 6.0 => 7.0 AND Higher | Alot Of Coastal High Tier Conflict With Low - Mid Bluewater, And Alot Of Bluewater Is Cluttered At 5.0 - 6.0. I Know This Is Because Of Planes Needing To Be Capped At 6.0, Not Allowing Any Jets (Other Than The P-59) To See Ships. Is There Really No Fix Like LIMITING ALL PLANES TO 6.0 Yet Keeping Ships Going Further In BR? 
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Spoilered Tree Changes.

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This is solely for BR and not a tree position / economic update.
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Ah yes, the Me163 can now face a harrier GR. 1, and since the 9.0 BR is dead, almost all matches will be uptiers. Thanks, Gaijin.

It's true, why all the negative emotes?

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Finally developers decide to move FlaRakPz 1 and Roland 1 to 10.0.

It was unreasonable decision to leave them 9.7 since vehicles with MANPADS are 10.0 while Roland missile is legit SAM missile.

But why should Stromer HVM be moved to 10.3?

Due to its missile that needs to hit directly, it is really hard to use against fixed wings.

And it is MANPADS based VSHORAD just like Lvrbv 701.

Unless developers provide fully automatic guidance of Starstreak HVM just like real life, it is not 10.3 vehicle.

Also, why does IPM1 go 10.3?

I thought IPM1 is good balanced 10.0 vehicle.

 

Another unreasonable change is Leopard 2 PL.

Since it got DM43, it should be stayed at 10.7.

Or are you trying to remove DM43 from it and turn it back to 10.3?

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You are putting what is essentially a Leopard 2A5 at 10.3. why?

Because new players with literally 10 hours of playtime can buy it straight up and ruin their statistics which in turn is used to "balance" the game.

it should stay at 10.7 which is IMO already too low but whatever. A tank with this armor profile, ammo and optics should not go down in BR.
Please actually play your own game before making embarrassing mistakes like these proposed changes. thanks.

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Object 268 lowering the BR would mean to likely showing up with WW II tanks that are not able to handle it.

 

 

(Germany) KV I C 756 (r)  too likely to be matched with 5.7 tanks if moved up, functionally no longer a heavy tank then.

 

Panzer IV/70(V) would not too be bad at 5.7 but how is it the same BR as Panthers (the good ones) with the same gun but without turret?

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The MK24 Spitfire, although good, will be unable to do anything against the 8.0 jets, Ashwell it doesn't ruin the 5.7 br.
The MK24 has high statistics because only dedicated players have it, you have to grind through 3 other spitfires to access it in the folder, making it an aircraft that mostly only people who have finished the tree will play, aka decent players.

My second issue is with Leopard 2pl, at 10.7 its a good tank, the one issue with it is, not all the players using it have access to top tier, this being their first high ranking vehicle, they're going to be bad, and lower the statistics. I think the tank should stay at 10.7, it is comparable in effectiveness to other 10.7 tanks like the Challenger 2, or even to the 2A5.

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Sagittario 2 to 8.7 : mmh okay but its repair cost has to be revised way down

Me163 B-0 at 9.0 is impossible to understand, have not seen one of these in for ever

Mirage IIIC and IIIE maybe switch place now ? or would it be part of a different update ?

 

For ground RB : i think IPM1 going up is a result of bullying of T72AV spam and should not happen yet, and that if its really needed then wait for the next round of BR changes.

 

Otherwise : CW21 at rank II should be considered to switch place with something less powerfull like the P66

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I strongly disagree with IPM1 going up without adding M900, M833 is a garbage round that will have difficulties to do anything to ERA monsters like B3 or BVM.

Leopard 2 PL and T90A should stay where they are, its not a vehicle fault, that its players are clueless how to play it right and they drag its win rate down because of this or one death leave.

Merkava Mk. 3 should go even higher to 10.7, it has 11.0 round and good survivability.

Rolands should go higher too, 10.0 is a good change, but it would be ideal to move them to 10.3, recent turret rotation and elevation buff made them simply too good to justify 10.0.

 

 

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TANK Realistic Battle BR Recommandation:

 

Britain:

Blackprince: from 6.0 to 5.7 :

The Blackprince is for the mostpart a Churchill VII (BR 4.7) with a better Turret (overlap of the Turretfront) which still leaves the spots left/right the gun to be penetrated. Its medium counterpart the Centurion Mk. 1 which also is more BR 5.7 material, share the APDS which is firstly introduced on BR 5.0 on the swedish Pvkv m/43 (1963) (which also fires APHE) and later on the STRV 74 also on BR 5.7, and is very much needed to counter the many variants of Panthers, Jumbos and Tiger I´s. Overall it has a really bad manouverability, and with the new Penetration "Update" its armor isnt that big of a deal anymore to be BR 5.7.

--> At BR 6.0 its really a "lost" tank without any lineup or advantage to work with -> in addition to this the Roof + Engine Armor is just 18mm and can be easily penetrated with aircraft cannons --> the cuppola is easy penetrateable with APHE (Cuppola -> 100mm CHA = 90mm effective Armor)!


Armorview of Blackprince:

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Info - 152mm (CHA) "Cast Armor" is equivalent to 144.4mm (RHA) "Rolled homogenous Armor" --> same Armor as Churchill MKVII @ BR 4.7

 

Centurion Mk.1 - from 6.0 to 5.7 :

The Centurion Mk.1 isnt that much better than a Comet, and the reason why the Blackprince dont deserve to be BR 6.0 either - the British really need that tank to counter the German´s and Russian´s at BR 5.7. If you move this tank up you will destroy a very settled and fair working BR 5.7 Deck.

 

Comet 1 + Iron Duke - from 5.7 to 5.3 :

The Comet with its APDS is more or less the middleground of a STRV 74 (which also has APHE) and a Pvkv m/43 (1963) (which also has APHE) and shouldnt be at 5.7 + it is the British answer to Jumbo´s / IS-2´s / Tigers´s and Panthers.

 

Churchill Mk.III (all Nation) - from 4.3 to 4.0 :

There is no Deck for the British at BR 4.3 and the Armor is easier penetrateable than for example a KV-1B (which of course has a worse gun, but better mobility) - i never saw that tank overperforming on its old BR, so please give it another chance at BR 4.0 - on which it can form a Lineup with the Achilles (which can be used as a quite nice BR 4.0 Rank III Eventlineup).

 

SARC MkVI (6pdr)- from  Rank II to Rank III :

The British are really lacking a Lighttank for Events/BP´s - please consider the SARC for that, which have a quite potent.gun and enough mobility to stand its ground even if the player consider to uptier it on purpose.

 

AEC Mk II- from  Rank II to Rank III :

The British are really lacking a Lighttank for Events/BP´s - for the same reason as the SARC the AEC would make far more sense at Rank III.

 

 

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US:

 

T20 - BR 6.0 to 5.7 :

I proposed last time to reduce the T20 to BR 5.3 - but it in no way deserves to be BR 6.0 (higher than Panther A/F), please revert the changes and let the T20 at least at BR 5.7, as it isnt better than Tiger I E / Panther A+F / IS-2.

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M18 / M4A3 (76) - BR 5.7 to BR 5.3 :

All of these Tanks arent good enough to fight Ferdinand + Jagdpanther on regular bases and cannot fight AMX M4´s, Tiger II (H), Jagdtiger etc.

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M4A2 (76) / Jumbo (75) / M4A2 (76) "RUS-Premium" - BR 5.3 to 5.0 :

Both tanks dont overperform on BR 5.0 and should be back down. Even tough the Jumbo is a hard target to knock out, tanks at BR 5.3 are extremly frequent to lolpen its Hull + its 75mm is workable at BR 5.0 but shouldnt be able to fight BR 6.3 tanks.

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T55E1 - BR 4.3 to 4.7  :

Due to its very high speed, very fast reloadrate, good gundepression - but especially because its superior surviveability to AP/APHE this "thing" shouldnt be BR 4.3 (beside that it hasnt a Lineup on that BR). BR 5.0 or at least BR 4.7 are far more suitable for this vehicle.

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Jumbo (76) - BR 6.0 to 5.7 :

The Jumbo (76) is a hard to balance Tank, but it simply do not deserve to fight BR 7.0 Tanks, even BR 6.7 are hard to impossible to fight, and at BR 4.7 there are plenty option for every Nation to kill a Jumbo. At BR 5.7 is can be perfectly matched with Panther A and Panther D, Waffenträger, Nashorn, Sturer Emil, IS-2, ISU-122 and even the BR 3.0 Sav m/43 (1946) can oneshot it with 240mm HEAT - beside that u can kill a Jumbo with Cuppola, MG-Port and lower Track Shots, even with a T34 1940 (76mm APHE) - which is a BR 3.3 Tank.

-> Sidenote, the recoomanndation also is for Italian/Chinese M18 ( dont even have APCR ) and for Russian 76mm LendLease Sherman <--

 

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RUSSIA + CHINA:

 

 

T34-85 / T34-85 (E) / T34-85 (S-53) / T34-85 "GAI" / T34-85 No.215  - BR 5.7   to 5.3 : Eventough the latemodel T-34 can be uptiered well and are in the hands of a veteran a force to reckon with, their "natural" BR at 5.7 is slightly too high. They shouldnt be forced to fight Jagdtiger´s / Tiger II (H) / T34+M6E2A1 (US) and equal and would fit the 5.3 BR-Range far better!

--> the reduction of Su-85M + T-34-85 (D-5T) to BR 5.0 is the perfect opportunity <--

 

 

 

KV-2 (1939) -  Rank II to Rank III :

Please raise the Rank of the KV-2 (1939) to III to match the Russian-Event KV-2 (1940) and the German KV-2.

 

T34E (shielded) -  Rank II to Rank III :

Russia dont have any "lower" BR lineups for BP/Events - the T34E series is the peak of the 76mm T34 series and could be considered Rank III.

-> could form a Lineup with KV-1E at BR 4.0

 

T34E STZ -  Rank II to Rank III :

Russia dont have any "lower" BR lineups for BP/Events - the T34E series is the peak of the 76mm T34 series and could be considered Rank III.

-> could form a Lineup with KV-1E at BR 4.0

 

SU-85A -  Rank II to Rank III :

The Su-85A is the first tank which is housing a 85mm gun, for that alone it deserves the Rank of III, which is very wide spread on BR 4.0 tanks - beside that it could make a good choice as a TD in a lineup with earlier mentioned tanks.


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Germany:

Hetzer - from 4.3 to 4.0 :

The Hetzer, has a incredible weak roof and side armor (especially the sidarmor get overmatched really badly) and is very very slow which makes it hard to get into position without getting killed. The worst thing about it is that even a BT-5 can kill it very easily from front - see below:

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--> even after improvements of "Volumetric Shells" this is still very present!

 

 

Stug III G- from  Rank II to Rank III :

To make the Stug III G worthy and useable in comming Event and BP its just fair that the German Stug like the Italian Stug is Rank III.

 

T 34 747 (r) - from  Rank II to Rank III :

The Premium T34 is the best armored T34 available and for that Rank III worthy.

 


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Otomatic - from 10.3 to 10.0 :

Only 12 APFSDS Shells + only 6km Range with HE-VT make it a good allrounder, but quite lacking against top tier choppers - i think a slight BR decrease would help the italian techtree quite a bit, as the Ariete also goes to BR 10.0 Ariete (P).


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Japan
Chi To + Chi To (late) - BR 4.7 to 4.3 (maybe 4.0) :

Both Chi To´s very compareable to a Panzer IV (H) with a very slightly better gun (on paper), but they are a far bigger target and have a significant longer reload  - for that i think BR 4.7 is quite too high.

 

Chi-To (Reload) = 7.7 sek (Gold Crew)

Panzer IV H (Reload) = 5.9 sec (Gold Crew)

 

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Chi-Ri II - BR 5.0 to 4.7 :

In comparison to the Strv m/42 DT which sits on BR 5.0, the Chi-Ri II is a far too tall target to effectivly ambush and also lacks the additional gundepression which makes the swede as greate as it is - for that the BR 4.7 would be far more promising.


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I especially like the changes of T-34-85 (D-5T), Su-85M and R3 T20 - but i am not sure about the Missile AA changes, i would rather see Roland + Stormer System on their old BR´s of 9.7 and 10.0 respectively to fight CAS Jets and Mid-Tier Choppers.

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I'm sorry but I do not understand these changes at all!

 

Leopard 2PL gets DM43 and gets downtiered? T-90A sent down as well? The 2PL has better turret armor, a better round, and far superior thermals to the M1A1, but they are the same BR?

 

And to top it off, the M1IP is sent to 10.3? What in the world, without M900? Is this ironic? Last BR update the German top tier (already doing well with 2A6) gets DM43 for their backup tanks but the US is shafted again. How on earth can the M1IP be seen as equal to the 2PL or T-90A? 

 

The M1A2 sees increased repair costs, US has no new top tier MBT for almost two years now, no new rounds for backup tanks like Germany, USSR, and UK got, and now it has unquestionably inferior tanks to Germany and USSR at the same BR. Great work!

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vehicle:
Surblinde (FRANCE)
gamemode:
All modes
BR change:
8.0 to 7.7
reason:
Before the surbaisse got moved down to 7.7 but the surblinde, both vehicles are almost identical in performance except the surblinde is weaker in certain areas but has a turret MG, i dont see the reason for the higher BR.


 

vehicle:
M14/41 (ITALY)
gamemode:
All modes
BR change:
1.7 to 1.3
reason:
The M14/41 is almost identical to the M13/40 which is at 1.0, difference being around 2kph faster and the driver port has more armour, as far as i know everything else about the tank is the same, which makes the 2 BR increase very questionable.

 

 

vehicle:
PBM-3 Mariner (USA)
gamemode:
All modes
BR change:
3.0 to 2.7/2.3
reason:
The PBM-3 is almost identical to the PBM-1 in the base tree, yet is an entire BR higher than that one, with no armament, weaponry or speed changes between them, theres no reason the 3 should be so much higher.

 


vehicle:
M3 LEE (SOVIET)
gamemode:
All modes
BR change:
Change the tier from 1 to 2
reason:
A while ago the US and UK got to have all their M3s at tier 2 instead of tier 1, the premium ones in those trees yet the one in the soviet tree is still tier 1, its just very illogical how a free tank can be tier 2 but a prem version is tier 1.

 

 

vehicle:
Pz.4 G (ITALY)
gamemode:
All modes
BR change:
4.3 to 4.0 in AB and 4.0 to 3.7 in RB
reason:
Simply put, the german Pz.4G is 3.7 in AB while this is 4.3 and 3.3 in RB while this is 4.0, the only real difference between the 2 is that the italian one gets 8mm extra side armour, does that really mean it should be 2 BRs higher?

 

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Lots of problems with these changes:

 

-Spitfire Mk 24 to 7.0: This makes it the first prop fighter to be 7.0 (as far as I know). This puts it at the same BR as jets such as the Me 262A-1 and the F-80A. Considering the notoriously dubious nature of Hispanos, as well as the aircraft's speed, it is in no way fit to get uptiered against 8.0 jets.

-Me 163 to 9.0: Put simply, this WW2 rocket is going to be slaughtered in an uptier. Similar issue for the Ki-200

-T-34-85 D-5T to 5.0: This vehicle is perfectly fine where it is. Considering how little the difference between it and the 5.7 one is, i see no reason as to why it needs to be downtiered. Like most Russian tanks at this tier, its problems lie with the players' skill, not the vehicle.

-IPM1 to 10.3: Why would you ever play the IPM1 when its the same BR as the M1A1. Two tanks which are the same except in one respect; the gun. That 120 makes all the difference. The IPM1 is not much of an upgrade over the M1 and is fine where it is

 

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The IPM1 seems like it would struggle at 10.3 with M833. I suggest that moving it up to 10.3 would be fine if it also received M900. I would give the IPM1 something to help with the top tier MBTs. Also the M1128 at 9.3 can have M900, so having the IPM1 also having M900 isn't that big of a leap. The IPM1 also used M900 historically in Operation Dessert Storm so their is some historical basis to my claim. 

 

I also feel that The XM8 should also receive the M900 and M833 rounds as that's what they historically would have used under testing. This means it should be raised in br to 9.7 or 10.0.

 

Last but not least I believe that the M1A1 should be raised to 10.7 and receive M829A1 as a top tier round. I believe this would be a proper balance for the capability for the M1A1.

 

Please consider my suggestions as they would both improve each tank to a more historical level and balance them to where they should belong with such improvements. Thank you.

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I think that you have misplaced italy with france in these model: (Italy) Avenger Mk II, (Italy) PB4Y-2,(Italy) F8F-1B, as italy don't ahve them or do you wnat ot give bad news to italian players? ;)

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Nation: USA
Vehicle: P-51D-5 Mustang

Game mode: Simulator Battle
BR change: from 5.0 > to 4.7
Reason:

 

The worse plane of 5.0 - 6.3 is the P-51 D5.

 

It has terrible climb rate, terrible roll rate, terrible turn rate, terrible turn radius, terrible acceleration, sluggish,  terrible top speed at steep dive, insufficient top speed at shallow dive, very high stall speed, cannot sustain damage, easy to catch fire, hard to put out fire, It drains extremely energy at maneuver. Unstable and wobbly due to lack of Dorsal fin unlike the other P-51D series. 

 

It faces enemies that he has no chance to fight against. Even planes at 4.7 are better than it.

Planes such as F4U-4, Mb5, P-47 D28, G55, A7M2, Bf 109 G14, Bf 109 G6, Wyvern, Ki-84 ko, La-7, Fw 190 A5 U2-U12 have either same or lower BR yet they all perform superior compared to the P-51 D5.

P-51 D5 has literally no chance to fight against any of those planes. All of them have performance far superior to the P-51 D5.

 

And not only that the strength of the P-51 D5 should be it's top speed and yet those planes accelerate faster than the P-51 D5 and diver faster than the P-51 D5 and some of them even out run the Mustang on the shallow dive.

Planes such as P-47 D28 can even out climb it and out run it on the shallow dive!

P-47D-25 Thunderbolt a plane that sits at 3.7 would have comparable performance or even better above 5.000m against the D5!

And the Ki-84 ko literally dominates it in every aspect.

 

With the new update the P-51 D5 is nothing but fresh meat for Bf 109 G10, Bf 109 K4, 190 Dora 9, Griffons, La-9, Yak-3, G56, Ki-84.

It has got literally not a single attribute better than those mentioned planes. The only strength it has is its shallow dive top speed but even that is out performed by them and  yet 4.7 planes are either same or little better. 

 

Planes like Wyvern, Mb5, P-47N, P-47 D28, Fw 190 A5 U2-12,  are even faster and climbs better at 4.3- 4.7 not only that some of them either have 4x20mm or 2x20mm!

 

Nation: USA
Vehicle:
P-51D-20-NA
Game mode: Simulator Battle
BR change: from 5.0 > to 4.7
ReasonAdditional to above mentioned reasons the P-51D-20-NA should be 4.7 because it is also a premium vehicle just like the Mb.5 and Wyvern but a plane that performs also worse than Wyvern and Mb.5. So if a plane deserves to be 4.7 then P-51D-20-NA deserves it more than the Mb.5 and Wyvern!
It is not only slower but also climbs worse and has 6x12.7mm rather than 4x20mm! Not only that if those Wyvern and Mb.5 is 4.7 than it deserves to be 4.3, if Mb.5 and Wyvern are 5.0 and it deserves to be 4.7!

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RB commentary

 

Leopard 2 PL to 10.3, after it got the ammo buff? Are you even paying attention to your own changes? Completely unnecessary change. 

 

Stormer moving up to 10.3? But why? Are you that intent on not letting the British have AAs sit in lineups that you can't leave well enough alone. First the Falcon kept dodging whatever BR the Centurions were at, with the Falcon at 7.7 and the Cent lineup at 7.3, now both of those moved up one rating and the Falcon remains with a poor lineup. With the Stormer, it sat at 10.0 up until you gave it a good lineup with the modifications made to the Vickers and Challenger 3, and that was a good lineup. But now you move it to 10.3? There's no lineup there, it's just a dumb decision moving it up.

 

R3 T20 gradually moving up to the BR it should be, but wow are you taking your time inching it forward. As fun as it is at low BRs, it really has no place that low, and should be up around the 5.3-5.7 mark at a minimum.

 

Sagittario moving up to 8.7 now. Any plans to fix the double dipping you lot have done with nerfing it with a repair cost of 43K+ lions? Are you that intent on your player base not having a fun time with good Italian aircraft (It's G56 syndrome all over again) that you have to keep raising the BR and repair cost of them?

 

Q-5A and SU-7B to 9.0 is also laughable, but you already knew that.

 

 

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Why exactly is Ki-27, a fighter with bi-plane guns that are tremendously (and notoriously) ineffective, going to 2.0 in RB? You can't honestly expect me to believe that the Ki-27 is effective enough to be going up twice, from 1.3 to 1.7 to 2.0.

 

Also, why are you lowering Jagdpanzer IV to 4.3? Now it will be the same BR as the StuG III G, which is totally absurd. It is better than the StuG III G in every way.

 

Additionally, it seems you've forgotten to fix the Italian Pz.IV G's BR again. There is no reason why the German Pz.IV G is significantly lower than an identical tank. 

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Note: This for RB

M18 from 5.7 to 5.0

Reason Still lack of penetration and can't even compete with german tanks head on

 

Merkava Mk.3D stay at 10.0

Reason: it enough BR for her. this tank is actually slow compared with others

 

M4A3E2 from 5.3 to 4.7

Reason: still, this tank has 75mm and can't even match with german tank in long range

 

 

 

 

 

(USA) Merkava Mk.3D stay at 10.0

Reason: 

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I don't know why t34100 is still in BR 6.7, it just has a 100mm gun, which is close to german 88/L71,  has 15s reload time, and only -3 depression. Even comparing with 5.7 panthers, the only advantage is its 100mm gun, its armor is just for defend AA guns or some airplanes. So it's time to let T34100 go to BR6.3( RB).

 

M26 BR6.3-6.0

M26e1 BR 6.7-6.3

T25 BR 6.3-6.0

Super hell cat BR6.3-6.0

Jumbo (76) BR 6.0- 5.7

 

I don't know why IPM1 needs go to BR10.3

 

T44 BR 6.3-6.0

IS2(1944) BR 6.3-6.0

T72B(1989) BR 10.0-9.7

MI35M BR 10.3-9.7

 

 

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IMHO the Jagdpanzer IV is superior to Hetzer in many ways, especially the vertical and horizontal guidance of the main gun which allows the Jagdpanzer to have more tactical opportunity and tactical flexibility in combat, not to mention the improved mobility and protection. So I'm against the idea of lowering its BR to 4.3. 

 

The firepower of IPM1 would be the main drawback at battlerating of 10.3, especially compared with Leopard2 PL which come with DM43 rounds. Personally I think it need new shells (maybe M900? ) or stay where it was at 10.0.

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Lets start with feedback to your planned BR changes in SB:

 

After seeing these changes: seems like the rather massive BR compression you made with removal of both spawn points and death timers is here to stay. So I guess these BR changes in general are rather positive for the new system you decided to go with. Have to say I'm a bit surprised with the decision of moving F8F-1B to EC5, and dunno if it was really necessary.

 

My suggestions for BR changes in SB:

 

Vehicle: Corsair F Mk II

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 3.3 to 3.7 (SB EC2 to SB EC3)

Reason for change: You decided to move all of the F4U-1a (even the japanese premium one) and F4U-1D from 3.3 to 3.7. Corsair F Mk II is even faster than those, so it only makes sense to raise it too.

 

Vehicle: Me264

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 4.0 to 5.0 (SB EC3 to SB EC4)

Reason for change: Way too good armamnet and bombload for EC3. Not to mention that for some reason it also gets airstart for free. Even though you can easily take off with it in any map.

 

Vehicle: MB.5

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 4.7 to 5.0 (SB EC3 to SB EC4)

Reason for change: 

Post-war Super Prop with way too good flying performance for EC3

 

Vehicle: Wyvern

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 4.7 to 5.0 (SB EC3 to SB EC4)

Reason for change: 

Post-war Super Prop with way too good flying performance for EC3

 

Vehicle: Mörkö-Morane

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 1.7 to 2.3 (SB EC1 to SB EC2)

Reason for change: 

The flying performance is way too good for a EC1 plane.

 

Vehicle: VL Myrsky II

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 1.7 to 2.3 (SB EC1 to SB EC2)

Reason for change: 

The flying performance is way too good for a EC1 plane.

 

Vehicle: A7M2

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 4.7 to 5.0 (SB EC3 to SB EC4)

Reason for change: 

The flying performance is too good for a EC3 plane

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All the proposed changes refers to RB Ground:
-AUBL HVG 8.0->7.7: after the nerf to postpen damage, you are happy if you can incapacitate a single crew member.
-OF-40 (MTCA) 9.0->8.7: No DM33, no thermal and an engine that can't be used to it's full potential due to the transmission.
-SIDAM 8.3->8.0: bad platform, no radar, low ammo.
-SIDAM Mistral 10.0 -> 9.7: it's literally the same SIDAM that you can find at 8.3 but with few IR AAM that can only pull 12G.
-Ariete(P) 10.0->9.7: This vehicle is a worst T-72AV, it's basically an overweight light veicle.
Remove the DM33 if you need another reason to lower it.
-Ariete(ALL) ->10.3: Same story as the Preserie, the only thing that changed is that you've an APFSDS that you can find on a better tank in the US tech tree at a lower BR(10.0)
-T-69 G-II 8.7->8.3: a worst T-55AM1 at an higher BR, I think they could exchange BRs.
Air:
-G.91 R/1 8.7->8.3: better agility but worst speed, weaponry and accelleration when compared to the opponents, should be moved to 8.3 until it receives the C-7 AAM.
-CL.13 Mk.4 8.7->8.3: comparable to the other Sabres at 8.3, same as the R/1 it should be moved to 8.3 until it receives C-7 AAM.
-Vautour IIA IDF/AF 9.0->8.7: this thing is just dead at it's current BR.

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