An open letter to Gaijin, from the Warthunder Sim Community

[Lieutenant_Camel 622]

Schindibee says:

"As to the "open letter" itself, I think it's a bit too old, having started July 2021, with a few updates since then (iitc), and if discussed in such a form ,aybe a new one witht he state 2023 would be better. Just my 2 cents."

that is absurd.

The things criticized in the open letter are still current.

it has not improved. according to the players, it is getting worse and worse.

 

I can already see how "hard" Gaijin is working on SB. in 2 months the AA will be made sharper again and that's it.

 

and what's the next great improvement coming? maybe that:

 

 

 

[LanceLynxx 503]

On 31/01/2023 at 05:16, Schindibee said:

 

 

As to the "open letter" itself, I think it's a bit too old, having started July 2021, with a few updates since then (iitc), and if discussed in such a form ,aybe a new one witht he state 2023 would be better. Just my 2 cents.

 

Now I would I agree with you, IF.... anything had changed for the better.

Spoiler: It hasn't. The same complaints and points made in this post are relevant to this day since N O T H I N G was done about it. It's been nerf after nerf since august 2021. No improvements besides un-breaking what was broken in a previous update. That is to say, one step forward, two steps back.

Making another thread in 2023 would just be an echo of this very open letter. The issues are the same. Nothing has been done. Sim community has been consistently leaving, being replaced by the hordes of RB farmers and chinese alt-account botters who sell GE and SL by referral code and rigging lobbies.

We have consistently made suggestions, exposed issues, given constructive criticism, for what?
Useful actions, removal of Operations, removal of historical matchups, removal of spawn points (which were a great mechanic for balancing), decrease in rewards even though it should be the highest paying one due to the difficulty, broken AI and objectives, unrealistic buffs to midmap AA and convoys to the point that ground striking is a guaranteed loss of cash for 90% of the pilots who aren't the next coming of Luke Skywalker when he destroyed the Death Star.

No. This thread is as relevant as it was when it was made.

SB Air is so trash at the moment that I moved to Ground SB where I can fly without SPAWN COSTS, and I reap the rewards of my performance instead of my time spent, with historical matchmaking.

Edited February 24 by LanceLynxx

[cercata 54]

Yes, 100% agree, the letter it's still relevant, they didnt' fix it

[MH4UAstragon 9,574]

SB's economy SL-wise is bad enough that I only ever bother flying in EC for one reason only - to spade giant bombers which do not fit anywhere else. 

 

And when I do, I play the things as intended. I do not intentionally gunship anyone. I actually land after each run (or die trying).

[Xanthia_D 65]

my ingame name is Xanthia_D

the open letter to gaijin is still relevant, just today got into a simulator air battle with a russian bomber and after i had to use 12k silver lions to be allowed to fly, and destroy two anti-aircraft positions on the ground, and then i was shot down i was allowed to use 12k SL again to be allowed to fly, the 2 kills brought me a total of 6k SL, *ahhhhm* where is the economy please?

I flew bomber battles in simulators in 2015 and earned almost a million silver lions, where can you still find that today? That can only be a joke .....

a bad one, mind you.

[skilz2kil 97]

In game name is Skilz2kil and I absolutely sign this letter.

Tried sims again recently for the first time in a while to see if anything positive has happened for the game mode. Well certainly not, even with a positive kd and a premium account it is impossible to make a sl profit without a minimum of 4+ kills per respawn. Which in itself is an absolute disgrace, but ok sure if your fairly decent thats doable - but think again cause now the lobbies are always extremely lopsided as those on the losing team leave because they are literally going so broke that they cant even afford to respawn so now every match inevitably turns into a 1 or 2v10. Now at least in props you might still be able to eek out a match every now and again that isnt -100k sl but at top tier 2v10 is actually impossible, the moment you takeoff your locked up from 3 different directions and are treated to just as many missiles zooming towards you within 10 seconds of being airborne. Unfortunately, it was not uncommon for me to see players that stuck it out the whole way through a match only to end up with a -250k sl bill for their trouble, and they might not even have a negative kd.

Gaijin this is unacceptable. Sims used to be a very fun and engaging mode with reasonable rewards proportional to the increase in difficulty, now it is a painful and dangerous experience not only to your sanity but to the silver lion balance as well. We all understand that the sl farmers needed to be dealt with, but the economy changes were not the way to accomplish this - time has proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt and they have done exceedingly more harm than good to the sim community. Now the farmers simply change to naval and the sim players are left to try and deal the shambles of a game mode we have been left with. Please fix this once amazing game by reverting these detrimental changes and bring it back to (& hopefully beyond) the great standard that it was before - your players will thank you.

[lovewing 3]

I am new and I joined the game so that I could play sim mode.

I have read old forum posts, is it true sim mode has been bad reward for over a year with no change?

[OstGoth 53]

1 hour ago, lovewing said:

I am new and I joined the game so that I could play sim mode.

I have read old forum posts, is it true sim mode has been bad reward for over a year with no change?

Welcome to war thunder.
Unfortunately as it stands, sim has unfair rewards and does not look like the snail will do anything about it anytime soon.  
We are continuing to encourage Gaijin to get their thumb out of their a**.

Personally I still enjoy playing sim and running in to familiar faces once in a while. 
We got some new BR brackets which was a welcomed change. 

[Kortonox 143]

My Ign is Kortonox, and I sign this letter.

 

Im a Solo player, I have been playing WT since end of 2013 and have been regularly in SB EC since 2020.

With the current state of SB EC, I have stopped playing WT, even though I still login daily. Im waiting for a better time/economic so that I can actually fly TT vehicles without a loss.

Currently, the economy is only getting worse, but my hope is still up that the devs will listen to the community some day.

I invested a lot of money into WT (and I mean more than I should have), but with the economy getting worse and worse over the past years, I don't see any point in playing any more, let alone invest any more money into the game.

 

I want to play the game, but currently, the in game economy is so restrictive that it hinders me in doing so.

I have made multiple posts already and commented on many more regarding the economy.

 

War Thunder is in a place with only little competition, but the way the economy gets handled/nerfed, they actually give room for games like DCS or IL-2 Great Battles (which even got an excellent tank mode now). The only positive War Thunder had over those two games was the accessibility and amount of Vehicles to play. However, with such a bad economy, nothing besides Premium Vehicles are even viable to play unless you are okay to constantly lose SL.

 

Im saying this as someone who really loves the War Thunder Gameplay, and who knows the necessary evil of the economics system, but currently the game is on a way where the Gameplay is not worth the struggle with the economics.

[przybysz86 10,309]

@Stona @Smin1080p @OrsonES
I didn't want to jump onto recent rant-train but since you've already announced economy rework:

I think it's a good time to point out that problem is not limited to RB and not caused only by recent changes that were heavily criticized.
To us, struggle to progress and stay afloat when it comes to SL is old and well known problem that impacts every SB EC players. After our open letter above there was slight improvement but nowhere near what we all would call sufficient. I know you had enough criticism to deal with recently so I'd just say I hope that solution you are working on will also look at our neck of the woods and we won't be forgotten.

Looking forward to see some good changes proposed

Edited Tuesday at 16:40 by przybysz86

[_Yoschi_ 687]

Gajin worse economy but still don't want my 5£ for SB battle pass progres... 

 

Where is logic where is statistic Gajin??