Rewards for useful actions in the aviation SB mode

[Ketuccky 7]

When the update will come I don’t even know if I will grind with my F14 with my talisman and my premium account in SB or RB because I think I will put a long time in SB to unlock a plane (F16) I could have in not even 4h if I play correctly 

[__Tigerwolf__ 100]

9 hours ago, Ketuccky said:

Today i go in A7D SB without any booster, got something like 9K score around 5 tons of TNT and 5 bots without dying i got only ~40k xp and ok around more than 100k SL but that's so useless now. Now i follow my friend in SB with my M2000 maxed for dogfight only 

I hope they fix it. Its just hard to swallow, the hurry up and wait pill. However, I'm in it for the long haul. I've been here 10 years and I don't think WarThunder is going anywhere anytime soon. I just hope Sim doesn't die like ARB EC. I really wish ARB EC was back imho especially for jets.

 

Even if I have to sit out of my favorite game mode for a few updates, there are events to keep me busy.

Edited December 20, 2022 by __Tigerwolf__

[Ketuccky 7]

Well enough I just finished a part of an hour or so where I said to myself why not the F16 must be very nice in SB and then it will be the opportunity to grind a little the missing parts as well as to advance on the second F16 of the shaft. But good Gaijin having completely exploded the SB rewards and having absolutely not corrected the shot ( French expression ).

 

I find myself in monetary deficit while my stats tell me the opposite, without counting the RP gain completely nul but really close to 0 if we compare to the RB mode which is much easier than the SB that I am not told the opposite.

 

I just realized on 1 hour of time: 18 frags on players + 7 frags on bots with 1 or 2 zone capture, I got shot 6 times which gives me a final result of 25 for 6, what did I win you’re going to ask me? Just 27k of search for the F16, 25k of search for the coins of my current F16 and I just lost 44k SL ( Which are due to a friendly shot ) but even without this friendly shot I would let you do the calculation I would only win 200 SL nothing more...

 

I put you the screens in support and you can compare with the best opposing player who used a MIG-23ML ( Premium Rank 7 ) which has much less fact than me if not of the dead and which makes almost as much score as me. I think it’s really time for Gaijin’s team to really look at their PR earnings systems the SL system again why not frankly complain about it but for repair costs it’s slightly unbalanced but for PR it’s completely off the mark...

On 12/13/2022 at 1:09 AM, Ketuccky said:

                                                                                                             Well this is my first post on the forum so don't judge me be cool pls

Some friends and I also noticed that the RP gains in SB have decreased. Obviously we all wondered if we weren’t gonna spend our time on DCS but we are still attached to our little WT. Currently we are asking a lot of questions about Gaijin’s choices about the SB and we have some assumptions about that. Let me explain. 

Number 1 : Gaijin told us the truth and it’s to counter afk farm and other abuses. In this case very bad moove as we say all they are killing the sim mode and everyone will leave on DCS and IL-2 as said previously.

Number 2 : Gaijin still fights against the AFK Farm but at the same time they take advantage of it to curb the search for new aircraft in view of new rang 8 aircraft, in order to avoid that everyone gets them "instant" with rank 6 premiums that were already bought long before so they will not make any profit with their rank 7 premium 70 bucks unit.

Number 3 : They deliberately curbed experience gains to slow us down so that they weren’t ready for the update and used the excuse that when it arrived "a bug" that only gave us a limited number of rp per part and that they fixed it, and we can hope for a pseudo return to normal.

Number 4 : Gaijin puts us deep because it’s not totally against afk Farm but rather to force us to buy their premium grade 7 xxxx to be able to search for rank 8 "at the same speed" as before.

My friends and I think that number 2 and 3 are quite likely given that it already occurs on a huge number of games and even here. Moreover we all know that the SB so far was the best way to unlock jet and their modifications it would not be impossible that gaijin wanted to change this precisely in order to make us spend more bucks but well if they go in this direction they will just destroy the SB mode which until now was the only fun top tier game mode.

 

Since their patch I feel like I’m getting less rp in RB than before, I could do games with 1 base destroyed and 3 frag then win the game and get 30k rp and now I noticie that I tend to have only 17k so is-this just a feeling or am I right.

Compared to my old post I sincerely think that assumptions numbers 2 and 4 are unfortunately the most plausible considering things currently...

Edited December 21, 2022 by Ketuccky

[Usagi__ 64]

I don't even know any more how is SL and RP rewards set.

Bombing enemy airbase used to give lot of reward but now it seems that bases are much better targets.

Now gains will be zero if you cannot do anything efficient, like you are going to bomb with jet, meet enemy and have to ditch bombs. During fight you do not score hits and enemy crashes or someone helps you out. Then you go to cap, but cap timer expires. Fuel is almost spent so time to land and rearm + refuel.

Result will be 0 SL. Time well spent.

 

Some of 'useful actions' does not matter at all, like scouting enemy air bases or scouting enemy carrier.

 

This with star wars laser sniper AA and incomes are just unplayable low. If your altitude drops below 3000m during dogfight and enemy ground troops are near, you're dead. If you stay high, you lose fight and are dead. 

 

(these are my experiences with BR from 8.3 to top tier)

[P_R_0_X_Y 994]

SIM EC desperately needs a RP reward boost and economy update at this point

[Lucarelli25 273]

I blame this situation on all the people who complained and exposed people farming.

 

Got mad that you were in a pve grinding lobby? Just change to a session that people are killing eachother and you're golden; now SB is unplayable to get rewards and everyone got the short end of the stick.

[DerGrafVonZahl 4,228]

14 hours ago, Lucarelli25 said:

I blame this situation on all the people who complained and exposed people farming.

 

Got mad that you were in a pve grinding lobby? Just change to a session that people are killing eachother and you're golden; now SB is unplayable to get rewards and everyone got the short end of the stick.

 

The issue is, that you cannot identify those farming lobbies before you join.

 

If we still had the old Mozdok farming lobbies, then you'd have a point.

[Deathskyz 69]

3 hours ago, DerGrafVonZahl said:

 

The issue is, that you cannot identify those farming lobbies before you join.

 

If we still had the old Mozdok farming lobbies, then you'd have a point.

 

You can see the player list and player stats beforehand. Also just avoid Port Moresby, Tunisia, Denmark and Winter Stalingrad.

[__Tigerwolf__ 100]

On 27/12/2022 at 04:19, Deathskyz said:

 

You can see the player list and player stats beforehand. Also just avoid Port Moresby, Tunisia, Denmark and Winter Stalingrad.

avoid teams where russia and america are grouped. the more spread out the nations are the more often the lobby is not locked down and a farming session.

[_Wienerslinky_ 128]

On 21/12/2022 at 22:21, P_R_0_X_Y said:

SIM EC desperately needs a RP reward boost and economy update at this point

honestly, i would rather have sim be NO rewards and NO spawn costs, than gaijin doing some cruel monkey paw thing AGAIN and messing up the economy even more...

[skilz2kil 97]

On 24/07/2021 at 04:40, Smin1080p said:

 

The developers will be monitoring the data and keeping an eye on developments. As well as that, more feedback is welcome here. 

@Smin1080p @Stona

After nearly two years of feedback on the reward system can we please have some response from the devs on coming changes aimed at fixing the sim economy.

We all appreciate the work you have put into improving the br brackets for sim in the recent updates, it was a welcome change. But the economy is in dire need of attention, simply put even with a premium account, players are unable to even break even on their sl balance unless they achieve something like a 3+ k/d.

 

There are a few primary contributing factors causing such an unsustainable outcome identified by players feedback here, though two of which have been highlighted by many here are: 

- Exceedingly low activity times which are statistically implausible when compared to time spent in game and actual positive actions taken (player & ai kills, base dmg, objectives contested, ect.). This is resulting in very low sl rewards relative to time spent in match when compared all other modes in game.

- Disadvantageous nature of front loading the sl cost of repairs on spawn, also causing a very large economic disadvantage to joining matches that are ongoing or close to completion (due to the comparative lack of matches lobbies for sim this is quite an issue).

 

Unfortunately, the current state of the sl economy is has caused a large drop in active players sim matches and unwanted gameplay dynamics such as an unprecedented rate of lopsided teams developing over the course of a match due to the losing side becoming unable to finance respawns and leaving, as well as passive player gameplay in order to minmax rewards between 15 min "useful action" intervals. Again, sim players understand that one of the primary goals of the economy changes was to discourage afk farming or 'zombie' behaviour by rewarding the player based on active participation in the match, and while this has been accomplished to an extent - most of us would like to see a revision back towards the old system of action-based rewards as not only is it consistent with other modes, but also overall more intuitive and engaging for players. That would be the ideal, along with more adaptive measures which identify and punish 'zombie' behaviour' so that more broad economy changes aren't needed to combat this. Whatever the case, regardless of what economy model is used sim players need the following simple issues addressed:

 

- sl rewards which are comparative to time spent in alternative game modes.

- repair cost and silver lion rewards which facilitate at least a break-even result given a roughly even kd in line with alternative modes.

 

Sim is such a fantastic mode being objectively the most engaging and rewarding war thunder experience for most here, the developers have done such a fantastic job with EC and the potential it has to draw in more players to the game in huge. It just needs a few simple fixes to get it back to its previously awesome state.