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(29-07-2021) [] Begleitpanzer 57 incorrect projectile weight and explosive mass for ammunition.

Hello there tech mods and devs.



1.A detailed description of the issue you have encountered. It is also important that you describe how we can reproduce the issue, if you are able to reproduce it.


In game the Begleitpanzer 57 in the German tech tree has incorrect weight/mass values for 2 of its shells, specifically the ( SAP-T ) and ( AP-T ) shell is modeled to be 2.4kg, when it should be 2.7kg according to primary/official  sources for the vehicle/weapon and secondary sources which I provided below.


Furthermore the explosive mass for the SAP-T shell in game is only 75g which is incorrect, documents show that the explosive filler should equal too 300g Hexatonal or 0.3kg which from my limited understanding should be closer to 510g of TnT equivalence due to the 1.7 modifier in game for Hexal.





2.If applicable, the full name(s) of the vehicle(s) affected.

Begleitpanzer 57




3.A detailed description of the fix you suggest. Provide sources including references that underline your position.  This is up to the discretion of the Technical Moderator handling the report, however the number of sources required depends on the type of source presented:


Fix I would suggest is to adjust the correct weight in game for the Begleitpanzer 57 SAP-T and AP-T ammunition to  2.7kg as well as adjusting the explosive filler for the SAP-T shell in game to be equal to the true value shown in source documents I have provided which should be equal to 300g of Hexatonal. 

This would also require the developers to recalculate the shells penetration and explosive effectiveness using their formula as the new 2.7kg weight would increase the armor penetration effectiveness of both rounds in game, as well as the new explosive mass for the SAP-T round.






4.Please attach screenshot(s) and/or video(s) showing the issue in game.


Screenshot showing incorrect SAP-T weight in game being 2.4kg instead of the correct 2.7kg, as well as the explosive mass being incorrect.




Screenshot showing incorrect AP-T weight/mass in game being 2.4kg instead of 2.7kg.





Below I have provided a page of the missing ammunition data sheet from the Begleitpanzer brochure.


Primary Source  Thyssen-Henschel Bofors  Begleitpanzer 57 Brochure Ammunition Data sheet



Secondary sources backing up the primary sources


Janes Armour and artillery 1983-1984

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1.Thyssen-Henchel Archive, Thyssenkrupp AG, Thyssenkrupp Allee 1, 45143 Essen, Germany ,Begleitpanzer & TAM (TH301) .

Andreas Zilt
Corporate Archives


T: +49 203 52-66822, [email protected]

Thyssenkrupp Regional Services Germany GmbH, Konzernarchiv Duisburg

Postfach, 45063 Essen, Germany



2.  " Jane’s Armour and Artillery Compendium 1977-83,1st Edition, USA Armor School , Fort Knox, KY 40121

Pages.(25-28) , (541),(949-950) 

isbn: 978-0354005883


3. "Jane's Armour and Artillery" 1985-1986

isbn:0710608209 -9780710608208





If there is anything I am missing please do let me know.






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