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(29-07-2021) Toldi IIA ammunition unhistorical weight values, low penetration


# Circuit / Game Version 2.5.1.123

Ingame pictures of AP rounds made after this update (May 16, 2021), I could not preview the vehicle then and now either, thanks for the pictures @TonyTheJackal
Ingame picture of the HE round stat is recent (Game version 2.5.1.144), thanks for @KisMessi
 

# Description

Toldi IIA's 40 mm 43M APBC-T, 36M APHEBC and 39M HE rounds have low weight ingame, which also affects its penetration values in case of AP rounds.

39M HE:
Ingame stats:

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Real stats:

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The document (Source 1.) states that the 39M weights 965 g = 0,965 kg
 


36M APHEBC-T
Ingame stats:

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Real stats:

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The document (Source 2.) states, that just like the 39M HE, 36M APHEBC is also 0,965 kg.

As I said, weight increase will affect the penetration value.
For the penetration I used the official calculator at https://wiki.warthunder.ru/New_formuls_for_calculating_of_the_armour_piercing
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43M APBC-T
Ingame stats:

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Real stats:

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The document (Source 1.) states the 40 mm 43M APBC-T has a weight of 1050 g = 1,05 kg

Just like the 36M's, 43M's penetration will be increased, too
Like before, im using the official calculator:
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Summarisation:
39M HE:
Weight: 0,86 kg -> 0,965 kg (=~ 0,97 kg)

36M APHEBC
Weight: 0,9 kg -> 0,965 kg (=~ 0,97 kg)
Penetration: 60 mm -> 63 mm

43M APBC
Weight: 0,9 kg -> 1,05 kg
Penetration: 64 mm -> 72 mm
 

# Sources

  1. 40 mm 43M magvas pc. gránátok rendszeresítése
    HTI, 1943
    HM HIM HL, 5199/eln.1.vkf.1943
     

  2. II. sz. Kimutatás a m. kir. honvédségnél rendszeresített tüzérségi lőszerről
    HTI, 1939
    Whole 38-page document is available at: https://nkerepo.uni-nke.hu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/123456789/14899/muz438.pdf;jsessionid=6746C7E7BDF0E1F8A8FF7F57A1BAF354?sequence=1

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  • 2 months later...

The report has been forwarded for consideration.

For any questions feel free to PM me or any other technical moderator.

Thanks for youar time and effort

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