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(29-07-2021) [] Begleitpanzer 57 Incorrect Engine/power plant output

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1.A detailed description of the issue you have encountered. It is also important that you describe how we can reproduce the issue, if you are able to reproduce it.

The Begleitpanzer 57 in game is using the incorrect engine and outputting the incorrect engine power in game. The Begleitpanzer, TAM, and (VCTP which we dont have in game) all share the same chassis on top of using the the same engine allowing a output of 720 BHP.

In game the Begleitpanzer 57 is using the basic Marder engine which is incorrect,it should be using the same identical engine that is found on the TAM as the actuall protoype was built using the TAM chassis.



2. If applicable, the full name(s) of the vehicle(s) affected.

Begleitpanzer 57



3.A detailed description of the fix you suggest. Provide sources including references that underline your position.  This is up to the discretion of the Technical Moderator handling the report, however the number of sources required depends on the type of source presented:


The fix I would suggest is to copy over the engine data that is used on the TAM and paste it over to the Begleitpanzer 57.

The TAM recently also received a new engine sounds with the turbocharge whine audible that also needs to be copied over for the Begleitpanzer  57.




4.Please attach screenshot(s) and/or video(s) showing the issue in game.




(Begleitpanzer 57 X-ray View)                                                                                  (TAM X-ray View)

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# Sources


Begleitpanzer Primary source, official brochure



Below I have provided pictures of primary source documents from Rheinstahl AG.

The Begleitpanzer 57 was intended to use the Marder chassis (diagram1), but this was abandoned for the TAM chassis (diagram 2) which uses a supercharged engine providing 720hp on top of being reinforced to handle the recoil of a bigger gun.





Rheinstal AG Source documents.  Brochure documents showing the TAM chassis was used

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I have also provided below a historical source pictures regarding the  Begleitpanzer  that clearly shows the TAM chassis was used  for the one and only working prototype that was built and then tested in live firing trials in 1977.


Upon request I can provide more pictures if needed but I think this should be sufficient.

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Below I have also provided secondary sources which all list the Begleitpanzer 57 using the TAM chassis and the 720hp supercharged engine.


Jane's armour and artillery 1985-1986  pages(294-295),page(877)


It is mentioned that the TAM,VCTP, and Bagel share the same hull which incorporates the 720HP MB 833 Ka-500 indirect injection engine.






"Janes Armour and artillery 1983-1984 "


Pages(26-28) Specifically Covering the Begleitpanzer 57


(Page 28 zoom in)




page.(949) Germany,Federal Republic Motoren-und Turbinen-Union (MTU)

"Engine statistics regarding the "MB 833 Ka 500"



Pages (246 and 298)

Picture 1 and Picture 2 showing stats/data regarding the VTCP and TAM engine and engine output.

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Picture 3 mentions that the Begleitpanzer used the same chassis that was used on the TAM and VCTP.



"Janes Main Battle Tank in service " 1982 by Christopher Foss,

P.44-45. Similar data/sources  as the pictures above.






1.Thyssen-Henchel Archive, Thyssenkrupp AG, Thyssenkrupp Allee 1, 45143 Essen, Germany ,Begleitpanzer & TAM (TH301) .

Andreas Zilt
Corporate Archives


T: +49 203 52-66822, [email protected]

Thyssenkrupp Regional Services Germany GmbH, Konzernarchiv Duisburg

Postfach, 45063 Essen, Germany



2.Rheinstal AG Source documents from the development of the Begleitpanzer.



3.  "Janes Main Battle Tank in service " 1982 by Christopher Foss, P.44-45.




4.  " Jane’s Armour and Artillery Compendium 1977-83,1st Edition, USA Armor School , Fort Knox, KY 40121

Pages.(25-28) , (541),(949-950) 

isbn: 978-0354005883


5. "Jane's Armour and Artillery" 1985-1986

isbn:0710608209 -9780710608208



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