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26/06/2021 - Formatting and spring cleaning

27/06/2021 - Fixed some text and replaced some broken images

03/07/2021 - Added documentation on gunner/commander cameras, UFP composite shape and cavity

17/07/2021 - Added information on Type-10 apfsds properties, armour protection tests and composition

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28/10/2021 - Added promotional video under "miscellaneous" tab

 

 

Howdy,

 

This thread is designed to share information regarding the Type-10 Hitomaru fielded by the JGSDF. My plan is to ensure that this thread stays on topic and remains to be a friendly environment so we may all appreciate this tank and the interesting information that our great community has provided about it. I have decided to specifically share information in this post that is backed by credible sources, but please don’t let this dissuade you from sharing your predictions on performance figures.

 

All 4 variants of the TK-X (Type-10 prototypes) and the Type-10 have been accepted as suggestions for implementation to the developers. This thread is for sharing information for those interested in the vehicle and for potential historical/bug reports in the future as well as speculate what performance we can expect prior to the vehicles introduction in-game.

 

All of the information below has been collated from the following users from the previous thread with their permission:

 

I have categorised known information about the vehicle into groups for easy navigation. If you have anything to add or you believe any information is incorrect, please let me know so I may update the thread.

 

 

General/Miscellaneous 

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JGSDF Published video that shows the interior of the vehicle

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Post demonstrating the various differences between TK-X prototypes (courtesy of @AnimeThighs

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Here is the first prototype up close and there is clearly some kind of latch next to the LWS on the armor piece that encompasses the wedges

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Here is prototype 4 and the last of the prototype vehicles, the wedges are clearly a solid piece of the main armor.

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Finally here is a production Type 10, and it doesn't have any latches like those that exist on the 1st prototype.

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The amount of Type-10's procured as of FY2021 courtesy of @wulfalier and @aizenns

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  • 2010-13
  • 2011-13
  • 2012-13
  • 2013-13
  • 2014-14
  • 2015-10
  • 2016-6
  • 2017-6
  • 2018-5
  • 2019-6
  • 2020-12

 

Tanks procured by FY 2020 budget includes 2020’s production and 2021’s production. According to this document, actual number of Type 10 tank that build FY 2020 (FY Reiwa 2) is 7.

https://www.mod.go.jp/atla/souhon/supply/jisseki/jisseki_mikomi/r01_jisseki_mikomi.pdf

 

Japanese FY2020 ended in April and the budget outline for FY2021 doesn't include any new units being produced. It is likely there are 111 total Type-10 tanks.

 

 

 

Here is a declassified weight table for the Type-10 courtesy of @aizenns

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将来車両装置(その2)の研究試作 システム概要設計報告書

"その2" of "コンベンショナル型砲塔搭載型" is actually adopted design.

 

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Type 90 Tank

  • Weapon system
    • Main gun: 3,095 kg
    • Ammo and ammo boxes: 938 kg
    • Autoloader: 1,228 kg
    • Small arms, their ammo and ammo boxes: 491 kg
    • Gun/ turret drive device, FCS and sight: 953 kg
    • Basket etc.: 432 kg
  • Mobility system
    • Power unit: 6,321 kg
    • Fuel unit: 1,452 kg
    • Suspension, transmission and tracks: 11,462 kg
    • Others: 1,347 kg
  • Protection system
    • Vehicle hull: 10,264 kg
    • Hull special armor: 1,249 kg
    • Turret housing: 7,320 kg
    • Turret special armor: 1,381 kg
    • Stealth equipment: 0 kg
  • Others: 2,363 kg
  • Total: 50,295 kg
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"Conventional-type turret type / Plan 2"

  • Weapon system
    • Main gun: 2,650 kg
    • Ammo and ammo boxes: 830 kg
    • Autoloader: 890 kg
    • Small arms, their ammo and ammo boxes: 490 kg
    • Gun/ turret drive device, FCS and sight: 950 kg
    • Basket etc.: 420 kg
  • Mobility system
    • Power unit: 4,200 kg
    • Fuel unit: 1,320 kg
    • Suspension, transmission and tracks: 10,050 kg
    • Others: 1,310 kg
  • Protection system
    • Vehicle hull: 8,970 kg
    • Hull special armor: 2,520 kg
    • Turret housing: 5,360 kg
    • Turret special armor: 1,940 kg
    • Stealth equipment: 160 kg
  • Others: 2,280 kg
  • Total: 44,410 kg

 

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"Weight table I posted before is written for comparison of Type 90 tank and Next-Gen tank. Among them, I picked Type 90’s and actual adopted design’s data."

 

Information on Gunner and Commander cameras courtesy of @aizenns

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According to specification document, production model has MWIR camera for not only gunner but also commander.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B8KVYt57g6q_QTVHN1EyMThwRnM?resourcekey=0-W_y-hObS5rUq8AHMiaSiIQ

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JGSDF Google drive document on general information of the Type-10 courtesy of @_David_Bowie_

 

Promotional video showing mixed footage and information courtesy of @DTalpha98

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Engine, Transmission, Suspension and General mobility

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Video demonstrating the active suspension dampening the recoil of the gun after firing

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Video demonstrating the Type-10 performing some driving tests, possibly even a TK-X prototype due to armour layout courtesy of @AnimeThighs

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"Also here is a video showing the type 10 doing a bunch of different tests and just driving around with all the yellow parts removed, except the wedges. If the wedges were truly removable like what is shown on the diagram, then idk why they wouldn't remove them in these trials like they did with everything else. I would imagine that they were removable on the first prototype, but all later prototypes opted for normal armor wedges as they lack the same design as 0001."

 

 

A post on the HMT (Hydromechanical transmission). Original document excerpt posted by @wulfalier, translated by @_David_Bowie_

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油圧機械式変速操向装置(HMT)

10式戦車は,世界の戦車で初めての無段階(連続可変)自動変速装置、いわゆる CVTを搭載した。自動車用CVTでは、金属 ベルトまたはチェーンとプーリの摩擦力 を利用する形式が一般的であり、原理的に 戦車用エンジンの大トルクを伝達するのは難しいとされている。そこで10式戦車では、油圧式と機械式 を併用した略称"HMT"が採用された。エンジン出力は、油圧ポンプモータによる「無段階変速部」と機械式の「有段変速部」にそれぞれ伝達され、遊星歯車機構による「合成部」によって両者の出力が合成されるのである。無段階変速部は、油圧ポンプと油圧モー タからなる。油圧ポンプは、リボルバー式拳銃の弾倉のように並んだシリンダ(バレルと呼称)を、角度が変えられる円盤(可動斜板)の周囲に取り付けられたピストンが 押していく仕組み。エンジン出力が可動斜板を回転させると、斜板に接続されたピストンが次々に押し出され、油圧モータのバレルに高圧の作動油を送り込む(斜板がきらに回転すると、こんどはピストンは引かれ、作動油はポンプ戻ることになる)。一方、 油圧モータのバレルには、烦斜角度が一定の固定斜板が配置され、ポンプと向き合うかたちで一体化されている。ポブから吐出された作動油は、固定斜板に接 続されたピストンを押し戻すことで斜板 を回転させ、これが出力軸の回転となる。さて、斜板の傾斜が大きければ1回のピストンストロークで大量の作動油が送り出され、大きなトルクを発生するが、エンジンはその分だけ多く回転しなければならない。いわゆる低速ギアである。逆に、傾斜が緩ければオイル吐出量が少なくな り、トルクは小さくエンジン回転も低くなる。つまり高速ギアに当たる。また、斜板を直立させればピストンはストロークせず、油圧を発生しない。そして斜板の傾 斜を反対にすれば、回転方向は逆転する。バックギアである(この構造から、後退時の最高速度も前進と同じ70km/hとなる)。斜板の傾斜角度の可変は無段階のため、連続的に出力(速度)を変化させることができるのだ。ところが、油圧ポンプモータは、作動油のリークや摺動(しょうどう)抵抗による損失が避けられず、伝達効率に限界がある。それをカバーするため、通常の歯車機構による3速ギアボクスを併用して、変 速機全体としての効率を高め、とくに高速度域の出力特性を向させている。両者による合成出力は、低速からの立ち上がり(レスポンス)が早く、なにより使用頻度が高い実用速度域において高い出力を維持する特性を発揮するという。

 

Hydro Mechanical Transmission (HMT)

The Type 10 tank is useing the first stepless (Continuously Variable) automatic transmission in the world. Type 10 is useing a so-called CVT. In  vehicles CVT, it is common to use the frictional force between a Metal Belt or Chain and a Pulley. it is difficult to transmit the large torque like a tank engine. Therefore, in the Type 10 tank, the "HMT", which is a combination of hydraulic and mechanical types, was equipped. The engine output is transmitted to the "stepless transmission" by the hydraulic pump motor and the mechanical "stepped transmission", respectively, and the outputs of both are combined by the "synthesis unit" by the planetary gear mechanism. The stepless transmission consists of a hydraulic pump and a hydraulic motor. The hydraulic pump's mechanism is, pistons attached around a disk whose angle can be changed, pushes cylinders lined up like a magazine of a revolver type pistol. When the engine output rotates the movable swash plate, the pistons connected to the swash plate are pushed out one after another, sending high-pressure hydraulic oil to the barrel of the hydraulic motor (when the swash plate rotates, the piston is pulled, The hydraulic oil will return to the pump). On the other hand, a fixed swash plate with a constant tilt angle is arranged on the barrel of the hydraulic motor and integrated so as to face the pump. The hydraulic oil out from the pob rotates the swash plate by pushing back the piston connected to the fixed swash plate, which is the rotation of the output shaft. If the slope of the swash plate is large, a large amount of hydraulic oil is sent out with one piston stroke, and a large torque is generated, but the engine must rotate by that much. It is a so-called low-speed gear. On the contrary, if the slope is gentle, the amount of oil out will be small, the torque will be small, and the engine speed will be low. In other words, it is high-speed gear. if the swash plate is made upright, the piston does not stroke and does not generate Hydraulic pressure. If the tilt of the swash plate is reversed, the direction of rotation is reversed. It is a reverse gear (from this structure, the maximum speed when reversing is 70km/h, which is the same as when moving forward). Since the tilt angle of the swash plate can be changed steplessly, the output (speed) can be changed continuously. However, the hydraulic pump motor inevitably loses power due to the leakage of hydraulic oil and sliding resistance, and the transmission efficiency is limited. In order to cover this, a 3-speed gearbox with a normal gear mechanism is used in combination to improve the efficiency of the speed changer as a whole, and especially to improve the output characteristics in the high speed range. The combined output of both is said to exhibit the characteristic of maintaining a high output in the practical speed range, which is frequently used, with a quick rise (response) from low speed.

 

Magazine documentation on the hydromechanical suspension courtesy of @wulfalier

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Information on the powerpack, also courtesy of @wulfalier

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Engine of Type 10
4-stroke water cooled v8 engine,turbocharger with variable noozle,intercooler is included.
Engine name is 8va type(with this im not 100% sure).
It is the first Japanese tank that adopted this engine with electronic fuel injector.
Combustion efficiency of fuel has been increased and black smoke at launch reduced.
The friction loss(dynamic resistance) caused by part inside of engine is also reduced.
Ceramic coating was applied was to key parts as cylinder heads(reducing heat releas to the outside).
Light oil is used for fuel(Jp.4(jet fuel no.4) can be used.
Maximum output power is about 2400rpm at 880kW.
Exhaust volume is nor published.

If the engine is smaller and fuel consuption is  reduced fuel tanks will be smaller.
It is directly linked(??engine??) to compactness and weight reduction of the entire hull.
Exhaust volume of Type 10 is 90% of Type 90.
It is interesting that the cylinder was completely differen from the conventional ZF/ZG engine.

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Gun and Ammunition

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Here are some videos demonstrating the impressive rate of fire. Looks to be ~3 seconds (courtesy of multiple users)

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Here’s an image comparing JM33 to Type-10 APFSDS (Updated 24/4/2021 courtesy of @AnimeThighs)

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"A few minutes in paint and I got this:"

 

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Further estimations on Type-10 round dimensions courtesy of @CelestialDwnfall

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"I updated my estimate on Type 10 AP and here is the result, i'm not too sure about the jacket diameter (but a jacket dimater of 26mm from DM53/63 could also be assumed since that rod has an actual penetrator diameter of 24mm as well) since pixel measuring is not a perfect method but I got everything else perfectly so it should be fine to use this."

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"Using the mm to pixel ratio that i mentioned earlier, I counted the pixels from left to right and then multiplied it by the ratio to get the penetraor length values (630mm), total projectile length value (763mm) and jacket diameter value (28mm), however, as i've previously mentioned in the picture/estimate, i am not too sure about the 28mm jacket diameter and instead, I recommend using DM53/63s jacket diameter value of 26mm."

 

 

Gun testing documentation courtesy of @aizenns

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"If "80% shot" means this document, this is test of the tank gun, not armor test. This document is about test of gun durability.

Test with APFSDS and 80% charge, 100% charge and more charge at standard temperature (21℃), and test 100% charge at high temperature (50℃) and normal temperature (21℃).

 

Upper sheet is test for Japanese-product 120 mm tank gun (license production), and lower sheet is test for imported 120 mm tank gun. Imported gun do not needed to do high-pressure charge test.

 

装薬温度 means temperature of propellant charge."

 

 

 

Here are specifications on Type-10 ammunition performance originally posted by @_David_Bowie_

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"This is the official specification for Type 10 APFSDS. However, it is difficult to know detailed performance due to the bullet speed and chamber pressure is censored."

 

 

Information on the bore evaluator and thermal sleeve courtesy of @wulfalier

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Bore evacuator

Wanted to translate this part but i think that everyone here knows how it works.

Highlighted could be that the holes in gun tube are covered with plastic material reinforced with glass fiber(fiberglass).

 

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Thermal Sleeve

The gun body exposed to severe conditions,such as midsummer sunshine,snow accumulation,rain or wind blowing after shooting may warp due to the temperature difference in each part.Even if the body bends so little that it is not visible,for a tank that aims at a distance of 1000m or 2000m it is inpossible to ignore the deviation of the bullet.

Therefore in order to prevent distortion and to keep the temperature distribution of the gun body as constan as possible thermal sleeve is worn.The thermal sleeve is made of plastic material reinforced with glass fiber(fiberglass),if you look closer you can see the fiber material.Inside of the construction,heat cutting material such as urethane foam is filled

 

Information on the gun courtesy of @wulfalier

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120mm tank gun

 

Type 10 is equipped with smoothbore gun developed by Ministry of Defense´s Technical Research Division and Japan Steel Word trough its own technology.

(2nd paragraph)
The development of TK-X,which later became the Type 10 started in year 1996.Over the next 5 years the Technical Research Division conducted a research and test of the future tank gun.Later in the development of TK-X prototype which began in 2002 a new tank gun was developed and was mounted on Type 10.

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Gun caliber is 120mm and 44 caliber long(120x44=5,3m).Type 90 is equipped with Rheinmetall(120mm/L44).Both are same but only in numbers(120mm and 44 caliber long).It is a completely new design,with adoption of light-weight thin-walled barrel and a gun breech.In the same time recoil impulse was reduced.(or they mean something else).
(4th paragraph)With great help from Aizenns

 Design of gun breech was greatly improved. By improvements of it, structural strength was reinforced, total weight was decreased and available maximum pressure was increased.
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Rheinmetal gun is circa 20% heavier then the JSW,lenght of the gun is the same,but the it is said that the armor-piercing power of the gun was improved.However the military vehicles of the JGDF are intended to be interoperable with United State military force and in particular to be compatible with the M1 Abrams tank with the M256 RH120.Standard of chamber room is based upon American M256 cannons to be compatible with American ammunition. However, M256 is licensed variant of Rh120, so they need to pay license fee for design of chamber room..Naturaly Type 10 can fire all of the existing Type 90 120mm shells.

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From the beginning it was consider to mount longer gun on Type 10

 

Information confirming self sharpening tungsten properties courtesy of @AnimeThighs

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Type 10 APFSDS is self sharpening like DU:

A patent application filed back in 2001 by DAIKIN for a method of creating a highly rigid, self sharpening tungsten penetrator using amorphous metal and heavy metal particulates.

https://patents.google.com/patent/JP2003042700A/ja

I don't know how this would affect calculating the round in the Lanz Otto calculator, but this could mean a massive jump in performance over what we previously thought. This means that Type 10 APFSDS and the South Korean K279 are the only 2 self sharpening tungsten rounds in the world.

 

Sourced from an updated Wikipedia article

 


Armour and Protection

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Excellent document showing the composite shape and cavity of the UFP (Upper Front Plate) courtesy of @wulfalier

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Information on the turret (composite) cover courtesy of @wulfalier

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Turret front composite(special armor) and cover.

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Left and right side of the turret front are called cover of special armor,which are attached to the base of turret and play important role in shaping the exterior style.

 

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According to 50 year history of Technical Division,1st Research institute of technical Research Division carried out 4 research,trials of structural elements of bullet-proof structure.

Among them in year 1997(7.9)(4th test) they made "box-shaped targets" with composite layered structure and carried out test of resistance to 120mm HEAT-MP and APFSDS.

And for the "special armor" we have understand the style that can greatly improve performance.The result is reflected in the design of the new modul mounting.The Type 10 tank is believed to have high resistance to both armor-piercing and anti-tank bullets,far exceeding the Type 90.

 

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Since the front cover of turret protrudes in front of the special armor it seems function as a space armor against heat bullets.However it does not appear to be made of thick plate as with shield cover.(I think that htey are talking about that the gun shield is made of thicker steel plates then the cover of the special armor).

 

(4th paragraph)I have not translated  because i have a little hard understanding of what is there writen.

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Basic structure and special armor Honeycomb backplate(This part is in short but i would be glad if someone could translate it in more details,what have i understand is that it is used after special armor).

Right side of the picture.
When the exterior of Type 10 is removed,the silhoute of the turret it is not much different from the Type 90 tank,which is almost four corner(??box shaped??),Front cover of the gun shield is stylized(i think they mean that it is solid part of the gun) and the part of the smoke launchers are the side module.
The left side is made of  by welding thins steel plates,there are used 10 or more plates to ensure the space for driver head.

 

This is the best translation i can made if you can make better or you see some mistake just wrote :).

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Information on the turret composite layout courtesy of @wulfalier

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Turret

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Turret is completely different concept then those in use of self-defence force(Type 74 and 90).

Base structure hold crew(commander,gunner),armament and was made small as possible,outher side was made for mounting modular armor.Instead of placing the armor(composite) inside,it is mounted outside which is called "external armor".

 

(2nd paragraph)
Type 90 auto loading system(autoloader),which replaced loader,this also contribute to making the turret smaller and lighter.When loader is used the space for him needs to be bigger,ALS removes the need of more space.

 

(3rd paragraph)
First half of turret contains commander,gunner new developed 120mm gun and other weapon and electronic equipment,while the second half is occupied by ALS.When viewed from above pn the turret left and right side are not symmetrical.Left side(gunner) is parraller with hull while the right side(commander) is narrower on the front and wider on the back.Left side is covering part of the turret ring,in other words width of the turret is approximately same as the diameter of the turret ring or is kept to a narrower extent.

 

(4th paragraph)

On turret front is bolted on special armor and a cover to form the exterior.SIdes has many bolts and are covered by side module.

 

(5th paragraph)

For this reason the turret right side(commander)has a part where the base bulletproof steel is exposed to the outside,while the left side(gunner) is entire covered by side module.Whether or not there is a difference in the protection,gunner side is more complicated(armored?).

(again if you see any mistakes just wrote)

 

 

Confirmation Type-10 can survive its own ammunition from ~250m courtesy of @AnimeThighs

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Type 10's armor is confirmed resistant to Type 10 AP at 250m:

This document outlines the testing method used for measuring ballistic resistance, it outlines the methodology used for measuring striking velocity of 120mm shells.

「25mmAPDS から120mmAPDSFS までの中口径から大口径弾丸の場合,撃速測定点は供試体前方 20 m から 40 m,線的等を使用する場合の検速的間距離は 20 m から 40m,砲から供試体までの距離は 200 m の位置で行ってきた。また,中口径から大口径弾丸の場合,銃砲から供試体の間に多数のスカイスクリーンを配置して,各区間における平均弾速を算出し,最小二乗法によって供試体表面での撃速を算出する方法も行われてきた。」

Basically for 25mm - 120mm ballistics tests, the firing rig is placed 200m away, the measuring equipment is set up 20m (likely medium calibers) to 40m (used for high calibers) away from the target.

https://www.mod.go.jp/atla/nds/Z/Z0012B.pdf

So in the case of the Type 10, the target and firing rig were 200m apart and the propellant was reduced to simulate an extra 50m. So 100% confirmed it's resistant to Type 10 APFSDS at 250m.

 

Another key point to highlight here is that Japan uses MIL-STD-3038 for their measurements rather than STANAG 4569. So when the one Type 10 documents showed side immunity to 30mm. Under the STANAG measuring system that most often refers to the 2A42 cannon found on vehicles like the BMP-2. Under MIL-STD, it's measured using Mk268 APFSDS. This is also backed up by the new ICV/RCV documents.

 

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If there is missing information, rest assured I’ll be back to update the OP.

 

On a final note, and this is very important;

Please do not discuss the performance of other vehicles unless it directly pertains to the performance of the Type-10. Please do not accuse Gaijin or other forum members and staff of national prejudice or bias. And most of all, please follow the rules .

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7 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8KVYt57g6q_QTVHN1EyMThwRnM

 

Can you add the official JGSDF Document of Type 10?

I’ll add it in the next thread update :salute: I’ve got some other stuff to add in also.

 

Would anyone be so kind as to compile these documents into a pdf or something? Would make it a little easier to digest than a drive folder.

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OP updated with further information alongside the manuals courtesy of @_David_Bowie_, thank you.

 

I’ll continue to update the thread with more information as I find it. If anyone has any information I have missed, please let me know. More translations from books are to come from @wulfalier which I can either add to the OP or they can post as a reply in the thread.

 

I’m going to also fix the formatting of the thread to make sure all the information is formatted in a smarter way, as it is now I’m just adding things as I find them from the old thread.

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2 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said:

Good job on organizing everything

Thanks! I’ll be tidying things up and organising them into categories once everything is copied over from the other thread.

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Nicely done Cheshire, here's to a productive discussion :good:

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3 hours ago, TheElite96 said:

Nicely done Cheshire, here's to a productive discussion :good:

Productive discussion is not allowed here.

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9 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said:

Would the video where they compared the Type-10, 90, and 74 be valid here as well?

https://m.youku.com/video/id_XMTYyMzE4Mjc1Ng==?&source=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.warthunder.com%2F

I don’t see why not, there aren’t any unsubstantiated claims about performance attached to it, it’s just a neat video for everyone to enjoy.

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Dont see the size of Type 10 so here it is.

Type 10 (L-W-H): 9,42m(hull 7,4m) x 3,24m(3,12m to both ends of tracks)x2,3m roof of turret(2,9m with sensor).

And compare it to Type 74

Type 74 (L-W-H): 9,41m(hull 6,7m)x 3,18m x 2,25m roof(2,67 with 50.cal).

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35 minutes ago, wulfalier said:

Dont see the size of Type 10 so here it is.

Type 10 (L-W-H): 9,42m(hull 7,4m) x 3,24m(3,12m to both ends of tracks)x2,3m roof of turret(2,9m with sensor).

And compare it to Type 74

Type 74 (L-W-H): 9,41m(hull 6,7m)x 3,18m x 2,25m roof(2,67 with 50.cal).

And comparing it to the Type 90:

Type 90 (L-W-H): 9.8 m (hull 7.55 m) x 3.4 m (including sideskirts) x 2.3 m (standard height)

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In the most recent BR change thread Stona mentioned other nations will be getting tanks that can rival the current Strv 122/122B and 2A5 and 2A6, I really hope this means we at least get a TK-X added in the next patch.

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30 minutes ago, TheCheshireCat said:

In the most recent BR change thread Stona mentioned other nations will be getting tanks that can rival the current Strv 122/122B and 2A5 and 2A6, I really hope this means we at least get a TK-X added in the next patch.

Yes this is the quote "

  • We are also working on introducing the more effective MBTs from other game nations to the game, similar in efficiency to later versions of the Leopard 2.

 

Tho i would still prefer to see fixes to the Type-90. I wouldn't mind if we are getting closer to the Type-10 or one of it's prototypes if that post is anything to go off.

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4 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said:

Yes this is the quote "

  • We are also working on introducing the more effective MBTs from other game nations to the game, similar in efficiency to later versions of the Leopard 2.

 

Tho i would still prefer to see fixes to the Type-90. I wouldn't mind if we are getting closer to the Type-10 or one of it's prototypes if that post is anything to go off.

 

Same, the Hitomaru would be nice and all, but lets not fantasy about it. When it arrive, it will be full of errors and guessing from the developers like everything that "modern" Japan received so far. Fix the many things in the Type 90 that were pointed until now and we are good for a little more. The recent BR changes shows that is our guilty for the lack of changes by playing both models well.

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4 hours ago, TheCheshireCat said:

In the most recent BR change thread Stona mentioned other nations will be getting tanks that can rival the current Strv 122/122B and 2A5 and 2A6, I really hope this means we at least get a TK-X added in the next patch.

Nah i give it like 10% that it will come.

And TK-X is the same as Type 10 only minor changes are made like cameras,driver periskopes,lights.

Oh btw tomorrow will have something translated but im not sure if i will have the permission to post it...because of that stupid you need to play to post bu bu buu

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45 minutes ago, wulfalier said:

Nah i give it like 10% that it will come.

And TK-X is the same as Type 10 only minor changes are made like cameras,driver periskopes,lights.

Oh btw tomorrow will have something translated but im not sure if i will have the permission to post it...because of that stupid you need to play to post bu bu buu

I don’t think it’s likely either, but I’d really like it to come regardless.

 

If you need help with permissions etc I can probably help point you in the direction of the staff members that would be able to grant you access, DM me if you have any issues.

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Not specifically related to the Type 10, but it has been something I have been searching for for a while. We finally have a western MBT weight table to compare the Type 10 to. Now these are just predictions of the weight for the Challenger 1, but the total weight of 62t lines up well with production vehicles so it should serve the purpose of comparison well.

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The big thing to note here is the weight of the hull. The Type 10s hull (8970kg) is 5.2t lighter than the Challenger 1 at 14150kg. The turret of the Type 10 (5460kg) is 2t lighter. The Type 10 in it's heaviest config actually has 1 ton more armor than the Challenger 1.

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8 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said:

Not specifically related to the Type 10, but it has been something I have been searching for for a while. We finally have a western MBT weight table to compare the Type 10 to. Now these are just predictions of the weight for the Challenger 1, but the total weight of 62t lines up well with production vehicles so it should serve the purpose of comparison well.

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The big thing to note here is the weight of the hull. The Type 10s hull (8970kg) is 5.2t lighter than the Challenger 1 at 14150kg. The turret of the Type 10 (5460kg) is 2t lighter. The Type 10 in it's heaviest config actually has 1 ton more armor than the Challenger 1.

I thought we don't have any information on what the 48-tonne load is like, only the 44-tonne which lists the turret armour as 1,940 kg and the hull armour as 2,680 kg.

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33 minutes ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said:

I thought we don't have any information on what the 48-tonne load is like, only the 44-tonne which lists the turret armour as 1,940 kg and the hull armour as 2,680 kg.

We already know the composition of 44t vs 48t and we know that the extra 4t is pure armor. The 48t config has some ERA on the roof which can't be more than 250kg seeing as how the entire Kontakt-1 array for the soviet tanks is only 500kg. The rest we know is pure side armor.

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