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On 15/01/2021 at 16:56, SrNowel59917 said:

they arent using outdated ammo, they are just using the ammo that they have when enter in servicen, the m900 is an 1989 ammo, while the 833 is an 1983 round, which match the date of the ipm1 and the m833 actually penetrate around 490 mm in the game, but los at 60º not at 0º since the penetrator isnt long enough, and btw the olders breachs from the m1s cant fire safely the m900

There are examples of tanks in this game firing ammunition that was introduced later. The M46 never historically carried HEAT by the time it was being phased out. Apparently the T-72 TURMS never had mango etc. Also to my understanding ALL of the M1/M1IP's had the M68A1 gun. 

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On 04/01/2021 at 07:16, Necrons31467 said:

M833 is a more modern shell than the M1 Abrams, which is why the IPM1 (DOI: 1984) is given this shell type.

 

I know you like to use this as an excuse but then explain why the Rise P with ERA doesn't have it, when the ERA was added in the 90s, well after the adoption of the M833? M833 is being withheld from the Rise P through M1 Abrams, not because of some arbitrary date system, but because Gaijin chooses not to add it.

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1 hour ago, AssaultPlazma said:

There are examples of tanks in this game firing ammunition that was introduced later. The M46 never historically carried HEAT by the time it was being phased out. Apparently the T-72 TURMS never had mango etc. Also to my understanding ALL of the M1/M1IP's had the M68A1 gun. 

 

The T-34-100 was scrapped before 100mm BR412D was developed. 

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11 hours ago, ACOMETS said:

M900 is not needed for any tank. but m833 should be added to M1 and maybe tts. .

M900 replaced M833 for the M1, IPM1, and the M60A3, which was still in service during the Gulf War.

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Those websites are clearly wrong. M900 was only authorized for M68A1 due to the greater recoil the round had. M68A1 being only fitted on Abrams tanks and Stryker MGS
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4 hours ago, Oxide61 said:

M900 replaced M833 for the M1, IPM1, and the M60A3, which was still in service during the Gulf War.

The M60A3 cannot fire the M900 round. The recoil/pressure was too great requiring a redesigned/reinforced breach in the form of the M68A1 gun. Only the M1/M1IP and M1128 have the M68A1 gun. FWIW the proposed Super M60 upgrade package had the M68A1 gun, which would be the next logically vehicle in the M60 line. 

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What do devs expect player to do when faced against enemy with higher defense but generally slower mobility than them:

Flank, call for back up, target its weakness, or even disengage and find a more suitable target.

 

Players IRL:

Whine and cry demanding that devs gib them ability, weapon or ammo that can one shot the slower and more armored dude thus negating its advantage or demand nerf to armored dude.

 

We seen this with jumbo.

 

The only thing i agree is giving M833 to M1 

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5 hours ago, [email protected] said:

What do devs expect player to do when faced against enemy with higher defense but generally slower mobility than them:

Flank, call for back up, target its weakness, or even disengage and find a more suitable target.

 

Players IRL:

Whine and cry demanding that devs gib them ability, weapon or ammo that can one shot the slower and more armored dude thus negating its disadvantage or demand nerf to armored dude.

 

We seen this with jumbo.

 

The only thing i agree is giving M833 to M1 

 

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Seriously though no reason why the M60A3 TTS could not get a M833 and a later Super M60 M900. It has below average mobility and dead weight armor. It's essentially just a light tank without the mobility. Giving it a lolpen round could be a saving grace and make it worthwhile.  

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3 minutes ago, AssaultPlazma said:

 

"jUsT FLaNk bRo" 

 

Seriously though no reason why the M60A3 TTS could not get a M833 and a later Super M60 M900. It has below average mobility and dead weight armor. It's essentially just a light tank without the mobility. Giving it a lolpen round could be a saving grace and make it worthwhile.  

My response is to OP wanting M900 on M1 and IPM1

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6 hours ago, [email protected] said:

What do devs expect player to do when faced against enemy with higher defense but generally slower mobility than them:

Flank, call for back up, target its weakness, or even disengage and find a more suitable target.

 

Players IRL:

Whine and cry demanding that devs gib them ability, weapon or ammo that can one shot the slower and more armored dude thus negating its advantage or demand nerf to armored dude.

 

We seen this with jumbo.

 

The only thing i agree is giving M833 to M1 

both can get M833 while they are at 10.0 .it is a pity that they are not devided(M1 should be at 9.7 without a better round).

1 hour ago, AssaultPlazma said:

M1IP should get M900 and so should M1, but that's a harder case. xxxx balance time for the U.S.A. to shine once more! 

M900 is so much for for M1 IPM1 . 

the only reason for M1128 to get it is because it is new and it has poor gun elevation .

1 hour ago, AssaultPlazma said:

 

"jUsT FLaNk bRo" 

 

Seriously though no reason why the M60A3 TTS could not get a M833 and a later Super M60 M900. It has below average mobility and dead weight armor. It's essentially just a light tank without the mobility. Giving it a lolpen round could be a saving grace and make it worthwhile.  

it was a early thermal tank for Us now with xm1 and high RP no one tries the grind. i don't know about its gun .

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32 minutes ago, ACOMETS said:

 

M900 is so much for for M1 IPM1 . 

the only reason for M1128 to get it is because it is new and it has poor gun elevation .

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The M1128 problem runs deeper than just poor elevation..

 

It have 15 hp/ton, meaning this thing accelerate slower than T-72 and T-64. Couple with the nature of wheeled vehicles having bad time on some terrain makes it really slow sometimes.

 

It have 7.5 second reload, thats 2.5 second slower than abrams while 0.4 second slower than russian mbt autoloader.

 

It still can be easily hull break via chemical rounds like Heat-fs, does not help the fact M1128 is kinda long.

 

All those weakpoints culminating in M1128 need to have its first shot able to penetrate its target easily or else its just food for other nation mbt

 

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22 hours ago, [email protected] said:

The M1128 problem runs deeper than just poor elevation..

 

It have 15 hp/ton, meaning this thing accelerate slower than T-72 and T-64. Couple with the nature of wheeled vehicles having bad time on some terrain makes it really slow sometimes.

 

It have 7.5 second reload, thats 2.5 second slower than abrams while 0.4 second slower than russian mbt autoloader.

 

It still can be easily hull break via chemical rounds like Heat-fs, does not help the fact M1128 is kinda long.

 

All those weakpoints culminating in M1128 need to have its first shot able to penetrate its target easily or else its just food for other nation mbt

 

7.5 looks fine now . also the cage and stop being hullbreak . it has a good survivability .

it has a high placed gun so it can be a good sniper .

but poor power and gun elevation are big problems . 

they can stick to  you so your gun won't reach them .

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38 minutes ago, ACOMETS said:

7.5 looks fine now . also the cage and stop being hullbreak . it has a good survivability .

it has a high placed gun so it can be a good sniper .

but poor power and gun elevation are big problems . 

they can stick to  you so your gun won't reach them .

Which is why it have M900

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On 04/01/2021 at 10:28, ADrunkMoth said:

Tanks should be balanced by real world performance, not arbitrary limits.

ok, than be prepared to accept 10.3 or 10.7

 

 

On 18/01/2021 at 15:23, AssaultPlazma said:

M1IP should get M900 and so should M1, but that's a harder case. xxxx balance time for the U.S.A. to shine once more! 

 

IPM1 is already the best 10.0 in the game. 

 

M1 Abrams not far behind, battling with 2A4.

 

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2 hours ago, Daffan said:

 

 

 

 

IPM1 is already the best 10.0 in the game. 

 

M1 Abrams not far behind, battling with 2A4.

 

So let's make it even better with M900 rounds. 

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