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Molniya / Vympel R-60 & R-60M - Incorrect Warhead Weight(s)


On top of the R-60 already being terribly bugged in tracking, Gaijin for some reason decided to unhistorically nerf its warhead weight by more than half! I seriously question Gaijin's decisions with Russian sources and material at the moment!

 

As of the launch of 2.1 New Power, the weights are as follows:

 

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1.15 kg for the R-60, 1.35 kg for the R-60M.

 

Let's look at sources now.

 

1- According to "Soviet Cold War Fighters" by Alexander Mladenov, the R-60's warhead weighed at 3 kg. As for the R-60M, 3.5 kg. This can be found in the weapons table of both the MiG-21bis and the MiG-23MLA, each in their respective chapters in the book. This one is the MLA's:

 

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2- According to Tara Aerospace AD , a military-related supplier based in Montenegro, the R-60M did in fact have a warhead weight of 3.5 kg. Since Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, it inherited examples of R-60s / R-60Ms and Soko G-4 Super Galebs and thus maintains them. 

 

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3- Page 41 in "Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21" published by Air Vanguard has a table showcasing the MiG-21bis' heat-seeking missiles. In it, the R-60 and R-60M have their warhead weights listed:

 

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Tried looking at a lot more books with the MiG-21 and MiG-23 as their main subjects, and "Soviet / Russian Aircraft Weapons Since WW2" but they didn't go into enough detail about the R-60/R-60M.

 

So I'll add private websites as back up in case:

 

https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/87826

https://www.armedconflicts.com/R-60MK-t87806

http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/r60.html
http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/r60m.html

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/aa-8.htm

https://en.missilery.info/missile/r60

https://weaponsystems.net/system/218-Molniya R-60

https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/553652

https://www.polot.net/en/r_60_guided_missile_2020

 

As you can see, there's a large number of sources that disagree with the recent changes to the R-60 and R-60M's weight data.

 

There is no AAM in history with a measly 1.15 - 1.35 kg warhead weight. It's too small to be considered.

 

Thanks

 

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Hi.

 

 

Warhead weight = explosive filler + metal casing / fragmentation component.

 

Explosive mass = explosive weight inside the warhead.

 

You can have a 3kg warhead with a 1.13kg explosive wieght.

 

On 19/11/2020 at 10:29, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

I seriously question Gaijin's decisions with Russian sources and material at the moment!

I seriously question your understanding of the difference between warhead and explosive content of the warhead

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