Naval Enduring Confrontation - Development Update

[Conte_Baracca 4,537]

3 minutes ago, Smin1080p said:

 

Indeed, because it was intended to be soon when I said that. Then when further issues arised and I made that clear when they did. Things in game development change, unforeseen issues come up.

 

 

When I said it was intended to be soon thats because it was. From the moment it became clear that there were then further issues, I then made that clear that there were issues, that were being worked on and we would have more news to share on the matter when we could.

 

There is nothing for me to pretend about. We have been keeping everyone as up to date as we can throughout this whole period. 

Absolutely fair.  And Good to see.  The Idea of Denmark and "improvements" to the mode excite me.  Another big map and more "love" for the mode.  Thanks for confirming BCs for next patch with this message BTW.  

[Magiaconatus 1,670]

4 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Absolutely fair.  And Good to see.  The Idea of Denmark and "improvements" to the mode excite me.  Another big map and more "love" for the mode.  Thanks for confirming BCs for next patch with this message BTW.  

And where did he suggest this...?

[Conte_Baracca 4,537]

4 minutes ago, Magiaconatus said:

And where did he suggest this...?

Oh.  New "Large" EC map.  And "Improvements" to EC.  The larger maps aren't the most popular ones.  Soooooo....why would they do another "Large" map?  And what needed "impoving" for EC?  It just needed fixing.  And he hasn't denied it.  The Italian Helo Tree and the Chinese Helo Tree have been denied. The T-90 has been denied.  BC's haven't.  Ergo.   Besides, without new Helo trees, what else do they have for this patch.  This time of year the patch is usually bonkers.  They also lead with a ship for Devblogs.  I'm calling BCs and an attempt to get more people into Naval with things like an "improved" EC. 

 

*Edit*

*Dovblegs*  sorry about that.

Edited August 16, 2020 by Conte_Baracca

[Magiaconatus 1,670]

1 hour ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Oh.  New "Large" EC map.  And "Improvements" to EC.  The larger maps aren't the most popular ones.  Soooooo....why would they do another "Large" map?  And what needed "impoving" for EC?  It just needed fixing.  And he hasn't denied it.  The Italian Helo Tree and the Chinese Helo Tree have been denied. The T-90 has been denied.  BC's haven't.  Ergo.   Besides, without new Helo trees, what else do they have for this patch.  This time of year the patch is usually bonkers.  They also lead with a ship for Devblogs.  I'm calling BCs and an attempt to get more people into Naval with things like an "improved" EC. 

Just let me live the dream...  The dream of Gaijin not introducing more power/feature creep into naval, and instead will fix the utterly broken DM. Otherwise nothing will change. BCs detonating each other from spawn, and leaving the game immediately. Nice, good job Gaijin!

Although this should not be an issue for me, since I am not playing my cruisers in any other game mode other than EC, but other than an occasional push in numbers, nothing else will come after the introduction of larger classes since naval in its entirety is flawed.

Because if BCs are coming, then there is much less room for QoL changes.

Edited August 16, 2020 by Magiaconatus

[Conte_Baracca 4,537]

46 minutes ago, Magiaconatus said:

Just let me live the dream...  The dream of Gaijin not introducing more power/feature creep into naval, and instead will fix the utterly broken DM. Otherwise nothing will change. BCs detonating each other from spawn, and leaving the game immediately. Nice, good job Gaijin!

Although this should not be an issue for me, since I am not playing my cruisers in any other game mode other than EC, but other than an occasional push in numbers, nothing else will come after the introduction of larger classes since naval in its entirety is flawed.

Because if BCs are going, then there is much less room for QoL changes.

Oh, we'll see.

 

Have a little hope.

 

 

[Magiaconatus 1,670]

6 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Oh, we'll see.

 

Have a little hope.

 

 

Gone. Sold out. 

[kkang2828 1,426]

6 hours ago, Magiaconatus said:

Just let me live the dream...  The dream of Gaijin not introducing more power/feature creep into naval, and instead will fix the utterly broken DM. Otherwise nothing will change. BCs detonating each other from spawn, and leaving the game immediately. Nice, good job Gaijin!

Although this should not be an issue for me, since I am not playing my cruisers in any other game mode other than EC, but other than an occasional push in numbers, nothing else will come after the introduction of larger classes since naval in its entirety is flawed.

 

I agree. What's the use of bigger ships if they're locked behind a huge grindwall? I've been grinding for months and I still haven't gotten to the destroyers yet(albeit I'm grinding all the nations at once but it's still much slower than AF and GF). The RP gain is just so poor. The huge powercreep doesn't help either. The NF powercreep at rank II~V rivals that of top tier AF and GF. 

 

I'm also not planning to play cruisers at all. I'm just gonna stick to destroyers once I get there.

 

6 hours ago, Magiaconatus said:

Because if BCs are coming, then there is much less room for QoL changes.

 

But if BCs don't come, something else will have to take it's place and it is most unlikely that it will be QoL changes. 

[yeahboiiiii 90]

I feel like for BCs and eventually BBs the tree will need a rework, if we're already having to get 270k for a CA (and several of them to unlock the nexxt rank) then given current multipliers in game (they need to be higher in EC too, especially for the losing team) then it would take r i d i c u l o u s l y long to get BC/BBs. On top of this the matchmaker is just plain hard for boats, just putting spawns farther apart the bigger the vessel is not really a solution, but at the same time I can't really think of a better one without just totally separating matchmaker into [PTs DDs][CL and CA][CA (maybe), BC, BB]. And then, further down the line when more advanced guided missile destroyers and whatnot is added, then what? I feel like thats possibly the only thing in this game that would work to have a separate war and postwar MM. Only other solution is a decent, permanent EC mode with objectives for all types of vessels.... so lets hope 

[WinterHt 82]

I want to get capital ships in game, but, it really isn't ready for them yet unless the patch also comes with lots of new maps and game modes, as well as research overhaul.

 

Games we play are already too cramped for heavy cruisers. Even the single cap game mode, for some unfathomable reason, decided to shrink its capzone so much that any ship within it is well within the range where CL rate of fire spam easily overweighs any range and hitting power advantage CAs have.

 

The idea of having to play South Kvarken in a battleship doesn't give me excitement, quite the opposite in fact...

Edited August 17, 2020 by WinterHt

[Christian70 1,638]

Good news.

[DonMandrack 12]

Nice! Looking forward for my first EC!

[DonMandrack 12]

On 12/08/2020 at 17:44, Stephensan said:

Most players that saw this response laughed and mocked the very saying of this with most of it going towards "Most of the gaming nations have 8’’ guns" and "Graf Spee is outstanding here, but its high calibre is compensated with a higher reload time", we as the players saw the Graf Spee come into the game with no counterpart and completely smash the competition and angered what little small community that has been top tier naval to a point, when adding the Crew Loss, and ammo that just combusts, that it would not fix the issue of that ship so now, anyone that see's a Graf Spee will focus fire it down no matter the cost nor ships lost to remove an ship stands out from the rest with its sheer size, gun fire power, amour and crew complement just out of sheer spite/anger.. That being said the "high calibre is compensated with a higher reload time" is a shameful way to bring out a ship that can cripple almost 1/3 of a ship if not take it out entirely, without ANY counterpart...
 

Excuse me, but Graf Spee after the HE nerf isn't any better than other 5.7 ships. Actually he's one of the hardest ships to play with, due to hight reload, high dispersion and less guns. When you manage to land properly his shots, it sometimes do the expected, sometimes not. It's no joke playing Graf Spee, you have to master it before being any thread to opposite team, despiste you beign the primary target to almost everyone since you respawn.

I have full german, american and british (almost) naval tech tree, and German is easly the hardest 5.7 line up to play with until now. Had really a hard time playing Graf Spee before learning how to manage it, and still now isn't my better score ship. Hipper is great but is easly one shoted by any 150mm+, same for Nurnberg.

Edited August 20, 2020 by DonMandrack

[BlackEagleFR 54]

If the Graf Spee "hard to play" like the Hipper, it's because those are the most powerful and solid ships and players know that! They are targeted by the entire opposing team from the spawn to prevent them from killing everyone.... 

In 1 vs 1 Hipper like Graf Spee winning against any other ship of the same class.

 

 

The most important is:  there is no BC's for this update! 

[kkang2828 1,426]

6 minutes ago, BlackEagleFR said:

The most important is:  there is no BC's for this update! 

 

Which is good? No powercreep.

Edited August 20, 2020 by kkang2828

[TAZmann 372]

yeah, gaijin always says, "we want symmetrical battles!" and then they add only one battle cruiser to the game.

[Conte_Baracca 4,537]

2 hours ago, BlackEagleFR said:

If the Graf Spee "hard to play" like the Hipper, it's because those are the most powerful and solid ships and players know that! They are targeted by the entire opposing team from the spawn to prevent them from killing everyone.... 

In 1 vs 1 Hipper like Graf Spee winning against any other ship of the same class.

 

 

The most important is:  there is no BC's for this update! 

Upside EC.  And more to come for Italy.

 

2 hours ago, TAZmann said:

yeah, gaijin always says, "we want symmetrical battles!" and then they add only one battle cruiser to the game.

Hopefully Everyone gets something when it comes out.

[kkang2828 1,426]

6 hours ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Upside EC.  And more to come for Italy.

 

Hopefully we'll get a Navigatori class destoryer in wartime refit configuration and a Duca d'Aosta class and/or Duca degli Abruzzi class light cruiser. More boats would be nice as well since there are quite a lot of 'big gun' boats and destroyer escorts that Italy used during the war.

Edited August 21, 2020 by kkang2828

[kkang2828 1,426]

Please consider doubling or even tripling naval rewards. They are just so poor right now and this is one of the reasons not a lot of players are playing naval. They simply don't feel rewarded for their actions.

[Stavroforos 15,310]

37 minutes ago, kkang2828 said:

Please consider doubling or even tripling naval rewards. They are just so poor right now and this is one of the reasons not a lot of players are playing naval. They simply don't feel rewarded for their actions.

Naval has been out for a long time and the paltry rewards haven't changed, so clearly Gaijin thinks getting crumbs is about as much as players should expect from this mode. 

[Bombe18 279]

I am sick to see that we need to wait another 3-6-9 months to get BC. Naval begin to reach is player capacity ....
That MM is a failure in naval.
When in your team you have 2 destroyers, 1 omaha 1 prinze and one mogami. But VS you there is 3 brooklins 1 chapayev and 1 prinze ...

I was waiting for BC so much. If gaijin wants to have more player from other games and gamemode, they really need to make new ship class.

[kkang2828 1,426]

1 hour ago, Bombe18 said:

I am sick to see that we need to wait another 3-6-9 months to get BC. Naval begin to reach is player capacity ....
That MM is a failure in naval.
When in your team you have 2 destroyers, 1 omaha 1 prinze and one mogami. But VS you there is 3 brooklins 1 chapayev and 1 prinze ...

I was waiting for BC so much. If gaijin wants to have more player from other games and gamemode, they really need to make new ship class.

 

No if Gaijin wants more players to play naval they have to get rid of the powercreep, not add more. And create better short game modes(EC is too long to be normal game mode). And better maps. And increase rewards. And make the grind to the destroyers easier. And fix the damage model.

Edited August 22, 2020 by kkang2828

[Draco_Argentum 1,503]

BCs right now will just make naval worse. Everything gets ammo detonated too often by a factor of 20 so I stopped playing above rank 2. BCs aren't going to change that, it'd be an utter waste of dev time that would be better used fixing damage models.

[Bombe18 279]

56 minutes ago, kkang2828 said:

 

No if Gaijin wants more players to play naval they have to get rid of the powercreep, not add more. And create better short game modes(EC is too long to be normal game mode). And better maps. And increase rewards. And make the grind to the destroyers easier. And fix the damage model.

Naval EC is a most played mod...

[Bombe18 279]

38 minutes ago, Draco_Argentum said:

BCs right now will just make naval worse. Everything gets ammo detonated too often by a factor of 20 so I stopped playing above rank 2. BCs aren't going to change that, it'd be an utter waste of dev time that would be better used fixing damage models.

They just need to limite them in battle

[llllllmaxllllll 1]

we want Naval EC in SB please !!!!