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Yea T72B3's cannon can fire any older ammo, as well as the FCS  ballistic computer settings have option for slew of older shells, some of which probably aren't even in use any more.

 

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And yes whilst the 3BM42 was a mainstay for a long time and still foundin stock i don't see why the T72B3 couldn't get it the 3BM42M in turn, since it is at the same b.r  and the mainstay tank of the Russian forces of present day. But  I understand that for gajin granted this was the easiest way to make the T90 seem more worthwhile grinding, because overall it feels like a sidegrade rather than a direct upgrade.

( Then again as most of us know the idea of the B3 upgrade program. upgrade old T72B 's to put in the area of T90A effectiveness rather thana continuance of T90 production.)

 

So sure the T90A it has a better turret, but thats irrelevant atm because B series turret isnt penetrable anyways  from the current ammo. So for war thunder in  blunt practical terms what it amounts to is a less mobile T72B3 with a modestly better apfsds, and the shotra anti tow gimmick.

 

TBH If gajin really wanted the T90A to seem more worthwhile researching  they should have simply replace the 3BM22 with baseline BM42, and have BM42M re-searchable. Why force a grind through the crappy 3BM22 ammo again for upteenth time?

 

 

 

 

 

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On 21/11/2020 at 17:49, RanchSauce39 said:

Yea T72B3's cannon can fire any older ammo, as well as the FCS  ballistic computer settings have option for slew of older shells, some of which probably aren't even in use any more.

 

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On 21/11/2020 at 23:49, RanchSauce39 said:

Yea T72B3's cannon can fire any older ammo, as well as the FCS  ballistic computer settings have option for slew of older shells, some of which probably aren't even in use any more.

 

Aw3fvip.jpg

 

 

z9jLrNL.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes whilst the 3BM42 was a mainstay for a long time and still foundin stock i don't see why the T72B3 couldn't get it the 3BM42M in turn, since it is at the same b.r  and the mainstay tank of the Russian forces of present day. But  I understand that for gajin granted this was the easiest way to make the T90 seem more worthwhile grinding, because overall it feels like a sidegrade rather than a direct upgrade.

( Then again as most of us know the idea of the B3 upgrade program. upgrade old T72B 's to put in the area of T90A effectiveness rather thana continuance of T90 production.)

 

So sure the T90A it has a better turret, but thats irrelevant atm because B series turret isnt penetrable anyways  from the current ammo. So for war thunder in  blunt practical terms what it amounts to is a less mobile T72B3 with a modestly better apfsds, and the shotra anti tow gimmick.

 

TBH If gajin really wanted the T90A to seem more worthwhile researching  they should have simply replace the 3BM22 with baseline BM42, and have BM42M re-searchable. Why force a grind through the crappy 3BM22 ammo again for upteenth time?

 

 

 

 

 

One problem with 3BM42 in WT, it underperforms compared to the real life one. 3BM42 has 520mm pen at 2km and at 0 degrees. This blog is a great source: 

https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/t-72-soviet-progeny.html?m=1

Turns out @Yedidya was wrong the whole time about the T-90A being broken and biased even his friend JustinPlaysYT disagrees with him. Leopard 2A6 turned out to be the most broken and biased tank in the game.

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4 hours ago, Leplivo said:

One problem with 3BM42 in WT, it underperforms compared to the real life one. 3BM42 has 520mm pen at 2km and at 0 degrees. This blog is a great source: 

https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/t-72-soviet-progeny.html?m=1

This doesn't mean anything in the face of Land - Odermatt formula which is a military-accepted formula for into RHA penetration for modern penetrators, unless you want DM53 with 750mm of penetration at 2km's at 0 degrees (as reported by the Swiss military)

 

Mango currently performs correctly also because Soviet way of calculating penetration was less strict back in the 80s i.e 50% + 1 meaning 520mm of penetration for a USSR round is equeal to roughly ~460mm of penetration for a Western round because both US and Germany were using 75% + 1 which was a more strict way of doing it.

 

So when you say 3BM-42 is underperforming, no, it isn't, it's just in-line with western way of calculating penetrator, which, at the end of the day, was and still is the better and more accurate one, unless you want DM33 with 560mm of pen :^)

 

The fact that the site claims Mango's LOS penetration is less than its flat penetration is not gonna lie, funny.

 

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6 hours ago, senzawa said:

This doesn't mean anything in the face of Land - Odermatt formula which is a military-accepted formula for into RHA penetration for modern penetrators, unless you want DM53 with 750mm of penetration at 2km's at 0 degrees (as reported by the Swiss military)

 

Mango currently performs correctly also because Soviet way of calculating penetration was less strict back in the 80s i.e 50% + 1 meaning 520mm of penetration for a USSR round is equeal to roughly ~460mm of penetration for a Western round because both US and Germany were using 75% + 1 which was a more strict way of doing it.

 

So when you say 3BM-42 is underperforming, no, it isn't, it's just in-line with western way of calculating penetrator, which, at the end of the day, was and still is the better and more accurate one, unless you want DM33 with 560mm of pen :^)

 

The fact that the site claims Mango's LOS penetration is less than its flat penetration is not gonna lie, funny.

 

The site uses sources to back up everything that it's said and it's calculated properly.

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46 minutes ago, Leplivo said:

The site uses sources to back up everything that it's said and it's calculated properly.

I then suggest taking a look at this thread which dives very deep into 3BM-42s performance, because if you pay close attention to it, 532.2mm at 0m for LOS is correct with what we have in the game (more or less).

 

Besides 520mm at 0 degrees at 2km's is pretty much impossible for a WHA penetrator to accomplish especially when we have firing data on the 3BM-42 so we know its striking velocity (1570m/s) at 2km's and its dimensions.so we can quite handily calculate that it should be roughly ~450mm at 0 degrees at 2km's (in-game it's 445mm at 2km's IIRC) besides Tankograd is a second-hand source.

 

Even primary russian sources claim 520mm at LOS (60 degrees) while 3BM-42 does very close to that.

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On 25/12/2020 at 23:20, Laurelix said:

Lol you want historical accuracy?

 

T-72B3 without ERA has 660mm KE protection instead of 480-530mm KE.

 

Then when it gets Kontakt 5 on top of that... T-72B3 armour protection will be on same level as current overperforming T-72B at 9.7

Great argument. How about Leopard 2A6 destroying everything with its op 650mm pen APFSDS or that's balanced because it's a German tank, only Russia is biased and doesn't deserve anything. Even most wehraboos agree that 2A6 should not have been added and the FlaRakRad with its 12km range, you can't even spawn with helis because of it.

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On 22/08/2020 at 06:47, AKgaNEKO said:

I totally agree, a 2010 ~ 2016 tank using 1980 ammo is completely absurd even more so when now all tanks that have more than 500mm penetration are on the enemy team. This tank should use 3bm42m lekalo or 3bm46 svinets both with 600 ~ mm penetration

Yeah but 3BM42 is still the most produced round in russia with 3BM22 also being produced they have a lot of tanks that cant fire anything more so by deductive reasoning they still use rounds from the 80s

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31 minutes ago, Sticky_Fingahs said:

Yeah but 3BM42 is still the most produced round in russia with 3BM22 also being produced they have a lot of tanks that cant fire anything more so by deductive reasoning they still use rounds from the 80s

 

This is total nonsense !

 

Russia has been mass producing 3BM59 since at least 2016 so at this point they probably have enough of those for their entire tank fleet .  There is no way they are still producing 3BM42 let alone for 3BM22 . 3BM42 is relegated to training round duty as they try to deplete the old Soviet stocks . Even in fantasy world where 3BM59 wouldn't had been in mass production since 2016 , in case of a conflict you can be dead sure that frontline units would receive most of the 3BM59 stock so every Russian tank capable of fireing said round would have it at it's disposal .

 

So please please keep your deductive reasoning for yourself .

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