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Fwd:2020-08-22 [] Leclerc should not have Commander Thermals


Vehicle in Question:



Issue Description:

The Leclerc in game currently has a Commander Thermal system on it, allowing the Commander's view to use thermal sights. This is not accurate to the real vehicle, which in the form it is in game only has the HS-70 Commander's Sight, which was present on both the Series 1 and Series 2 French vehicles. This sighting system does not have a thermal sight, only an image intensifier, making the in game vehicle inaccurate and possessing a powerful ability it does not actually have. Only the Series XXI, a much later upgraded version that features other major upgrades and differences from the current version had the later sight design, which introduced a commander's independant thermal channel, but that is a VERY different version from the in game one.


As such, the version in game to be accurate should not have a Commander's Thermal system.


Steps to Reproduce:

Get into a Leclerc in game with the NVD upgrade, and activate thermals while in Commander view.


Supporting Documentation:

The following sources were helpfully provided by the knowledgable and kind lads on the French subforum here, which describe the HS-70.


Source 1

Describes the capability of the HS-70, noting it only has an image intensifier.

  • Source: Le System Leclerc
  • Publisher: BOSQUET
  • Language: French
  • Book Number: RO80189880

Stefane Ferrad & Gerard Turbe










Source 2

Notes the capability of the HS-70, and makes clear the distinction that only much later, modern versions had the Commander Thermal channel.

  • Source: Char Leclerc
  • Publisher: Kagero
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 8364596357
  • ISBN-13: 978-8364596353

M.P. Robinson and Thierry Guillemain










Source 3

Notes the HS-70, and defines it as not having a Commander's Thermal on Series 1 and 2, only on the much more modern 21.

  • Source: Char Leclerc
  • Publisher: Editions Techniques pour l'Automobile et l'Industrie
  • Language: French
  • ISBN-10: 2726894380
  • ISBN-13: 978-2726894385

Marc Chassillian









Source 4

Notes the HS-70 and its capabilities, no thermal channel mentioned.

  • Source: Leclerc
  • Publisher: Tankograd
  • Language: French/English
  • Publication ID: Nr. 8001
  • ASIN: B0013GSXWM

Stefan Marx








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Thanks for the report.

We  will read, investigate, test if needed and get back to you soon.


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  Thank you for your interest and help improving the game.  Your information has been forwarded to the Developers for their consideration.

 If there is anything further regarding this report a Technical Moderator will contact you.


  Thank you again for your support. 


Kind Regards, Object187

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