Samuel_Hyde

90mm M47 tanks should go down to 7.0

Yes, why not. US have some compensation for the recent BR changes and Germany can obtain a proper back up for M48.

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24 minutes ago, Flak_Dancer said:

Yes, why not. US have some compensation for the recent BR changes and Germany can obtain a proper back up for M48.

Why should Germany bother needing a backup for their M48 when it's at a lower BR than the M47 and at the same BR as the M46?

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gorge_S_Fatton said:

Why should Germany bother needing a backup for their M48 when it's at a lower BR than the M47 and at the same BR as the M46?

Why should US obtain another medium tank with acess to HEATFS in 7.0 when they have 2 now???

Why should US have 3 medium tanks at 7.0 when Germany only have 1???

Why US fanatical fanboys always complain about everything???

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12 minutes ago, Flak_Dancer said:

Why should US obtain another medium tank with acess to HEATFS in 7.0 when they have 2 now???

Why should US have 3 medium tanks at 7.0 when Germany only have 1???

Why US fanatical fanboys always complain about everything???

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Why should German vehicles get lower BRs than other nation's counterparts when theirs are on par or clearly superior?

Why should Germany have arguably the most powerful lineup at 5.7 and 8.7 and still think they are the weakest?

Why should Germany be rewarded for having trash win rates from players who don't know how to use their own vehicles?

 

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33 minutes ago, Gorge_S_Fatton said:

Why should German vehicles get lower BRs than other nation's counterparts when theirs are on par or clearly superior?

German M48 have weaker mantlet armor and is slower.

 

33 minutes ago, Gorge_S_Fatton said:

 

Why should Germany have arguably the most powerful lineup at 5.7 and 8.7 and still think they are the weakest?

And you now that with your ZERO battles with germany between 5.7 to 8.7, right?

 

35 minutes ago, Gorge_S_Fatton said:

Why should Germany be rewarded for having trash win rates from players who don't know how to use their own vehicles?

Oh yes, the US fanatic fanboy classic behavior, when US have problems is "cuz undertiered german tonks" but when Germany have problems are of course "bad player base and l2p problems"

 

Back on topic, decrease of both M47 is good for both nations is simple. US get 3 mediums tanks one of them premiun meanwhile Germany get 2 mediums one premiun, 1M48 + 1 M46 vs 2 M46 and 1M47 looks fair and balanced.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

its basically a worse M46 now since it cant do -10 gun depression and has a taller turret

 

Rather, M46 should go to 7.3.

The M46 has been my go-to clubbing machine in the US tech tree for about 4 years now, it's about time Gaijin changed that.

 

2 hours ago, Flak_Dancer said:

German M48 have weaker mantlet armor and is slower.

 

Don't be too quick to copy what I've pointed out in other threads.

German version also gets smoke dischargers, these two tanks are easily close enough in performance to sit at the same BR.

 

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And you now that with your ZERO battles with germany between 5.7 to 8.7, right?

 

Alright, just act as though I stated that then.

 

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Oh yes, the US fanatic fanboy classic behavior, when US have problems is "cuz undertiered german tonks" but when Germany have problems are of course "bad player base and l2p problems"

 

Except, it's the Germans that get vehicles tiered lower than other nations and still perform worse in them.

 

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33 minutes ago, Necrons31467 said:

 

Don't be too quick to copy what I've pointed out in other threads.

 

Sorry but you arent the only one with eyes in the head.

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Necrons31467 said:

Rather, M46 should go to 7.3.

The M46 has been my go-to clubbing machine in the US tech tree for about 4 years now, it's about time Gaijin changed that.

Why should it go to 7.3?

it has worse armor compared to M48

the only good thing about the M46 is its maneuverability and Panther 2 speed.

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1 hour ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

Why should it go to 7.3?

it has worse armor compared to M48

the only good thing about the M46 is its maneuverability and Panther 2 speed.

Though it is really better than the M47 in every way.

Perhaps add a M46 without HEAT at 7.0? It is far better than the Pershing.

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10 hours ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

Why should it go to 7.3?

it has worse armor compared to M48

 

You just answered your own question.

M46 is way more mobile and also isn't anywhere near as tall with a giant cupola weakspot sticking out.

 

10 hours ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

the only good thing about the M46 is its maneuverability and Panther 2 speed.


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Panther II got nothing on the M46 when it comes to mobility.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, *MiseryIndex556 said:

Speed =/= mobility

Yep. The Panther II is fast (speed) on straight flat road but turns like a pig.

The M46 has great mobility at all times, it will cross a town turning around the blocks way faster than the Panther II.

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On 19/07/2020 at 13:15, Samuel_Hyde said:

its basically a worse M46 now since it cant do -10 gun depression and has a taller turret

its more akin to Panther 2 than an M48, with less armor and less potent APHE

Jesus Christ, if the M47 can be 7.0 then let's go ahead and drop the T-54  to 6.3

 

This is hysterical. No, cold war MBTs with HEAT-FS don't belong at 7.0, I can't believe this is even a thread

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19 minutes ago, watch_your_fire said:

Jesus Christ, if the M47 can be 7.0 then let's go ahead and drop the T-54  to 6.3

 

This is hysterical. No, cold war MBTs with HEAT-FS don't belong at 7.0, I can't believe this is even a thread

Aren't the STA-1/2 and Type 61 both cold war MBTs/medium tanks with HEAT-FS? I mean I kind of agree with you but then those should also move to 7.3

 

However I also don't think the M47 should be 7.0

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34 minutes ago, dutchrenzo62 said:

Aren't the STA-1/2 and Type 61 both cold war MBTs/medium tanks with HEAT-FS? I mean I kind of agree with you but then those should also move to 7.3

 

However I also don't think the M47 should be 7.0

Those are pretty terrible tanks though

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6 minutes ago, *Lightening_Drake said:

Those are pretty terrible tanks though

 

STA-1/2 and Type 61 can peek hill with its -10 gun depression

M47 cant

1 hour ago, watch_your_fire said:

Jesus Christ, if the M47 can be 7.0 then let's go ahead and drop the T-54  to 6.3

 

Imo the T-54 1947 is past its due to get into lower BR ever since the mantlet is nerfed.

its probably a 7.3-7.0 now

kind of leaning to 7.0 because i dont really see the advantage over my favourite tank, the T-44-100

Identical armor, Identical ammo.

Maybe invulnerability vs Jagdtiger to the UFP but everything else in 7.0 and below can just shoot the mantlet with APCBCHE

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55 minutes ago, dutchrenzo62 said:

Aren't the STA-1/2 and Type 61 both cold war MBTs/medium tanks with HEAT-FS? I mean I kind of agree with you but then those should also move to 7.3

They're weird ugly prototypes with no lineups, and I'd be fine with them being uptiered to 7.0 I guess since they're only ever meant to be backups for the much cooler Ho-Ri

 

4 minutes ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

STA-1/2 and Type 61 can peek hill with its -10 gun depression

M47 cant

*Cries in Russian*

4 minutes ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

Imo the T-54 1947 is past its due to get into lower BR ever since the mantlet is nerfed.

its probably a 7.3-7.0 now

kind of leaning to 7.0 because i dont really see the advantage over my favourite tank, the T-44-100

Identical armor, Identical ammo.

Maybe invulnerability vs Jagdtiger to the UFP but everything else in 7.0 and below can just shoot the mantlet with APCBCHE

Agreed on that I guess, the '49 is kind of garbage too since it doesn't have HEAT. I've always considered the M47 and T-54 '51 equals both IRL and in game, they could easily share the same BR since they both get **** on by Leos anyway. I've just got a distaste for HEAT in that BR spread so I don't really want to see either of them below 7.3

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27 minutes ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

 

STA-1/2 and Type 61 can peek hill with its -10 gun depression

M47 cant

You named the one thing they do well so good job i guess. 

17 minutes ago, watch_your_fire said:

They're weird ugly prototypes with no lineups, and I'd be fine with them being uptiered to 7.0 I guess since they're only ever meant to be backups for the much cooler Ho-Ri

They have a line up though it's just arguable the worst line up. 

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27 minutes ago, *Lightening_Drake said:

You named the one thing they do well so good job i guess. 

its decent i guess.

If Type 61 got armor, it would be M47 minus the gun depression.

i was also thinking, is the M47 -5 gun depression for real? I mean like historical?

Japan modelled STA-1/2 from M47 they borrowed from US.

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Honestly, I find the M46 to be nothing more than a slower but better protected Ru-251 at 7.0 with worse HEATFS pen and velocity with no smoke grenades. It is literally just a faster Italian M26A1 and that's about it. I don't think it being at 6.7 will suddenly break the entire game when we have Centurion Mk.3, Strv-81 (Swedish) Panther II at 6.7 as well. 

 

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38 minutes ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

its decent i guess.

If Type 61 got armor, it would be M47 minus the gun depression.

i was also thinking, is the M47 -5 gun depression for real? I mean like historical?

Japan modelled STA-1/2 from M47 they borrowed from US.

Think I'd be fine if it had more armor. As it stands it has less armor than that of a tiger with worse gun performance. 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Gorge_S_Fatton said:

Honestly, I find the M46 to be nothing more than a slower but better protected Ru-251 at 7.0 with worse HEATFS pen and velocity with no smoke grenades. It is literally just a faster Italian M26A1 and that's about it. I don't think it being at 6.7 will suddenly break the entire game when we have Centurion Mk.3, Strv-81 (Swedish) Panther II at 6.7 as well. 

If you are using HEAT with the M46, you are using it wrong.

Its main advantage over the Ru251 is M82 APHE, which can take out most tanks with a single shot to the sides. Always flank the enemy using your mobility.

 

And the Ru251 is clearly under-tiered at 6.7.

 

1 hour ago, Samuel_Hyde said:

i was also thinking, is the M47 -5 gun depression for real? I mean like historical?

The change from 10 degree to 5 degree is relatively recent.

I think Gaijin has found a document suggesting that the power traverse can only get to -5 degrees. There is however no source confirming whether it can get lower through manual traverse. It is certainly strange as all US medium tanks have -10 degree depression from that era.

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1 hour ago, Loongsheep said:

The change from 10 degree to 5 degree is relatively recent.

I think Gaijin has found a document suggesting that the power traverse can only get to -5 degrees.

There is however no source confirming whether it can get lower through manual traverse.

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7 minutes ago, Gorge_S_Fatton said:
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Sadly Gaijin takes their source over Hunnicut or other more common sources.

This isn't the first time - they also nerfed all HESH a few years ago using an obscure Soviet source about the equally uncommon 106mm HESH rcoilless.

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