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Since the Leo2k has to sit within range of top tier can we get a slightly better round for it?


The nerfed DM12 just sub par at best and the DM13 isn’t really cutting it vs top tier vehicles.

 

Can we please get a slightly better round? The lower BR was rejected and it doesn’t even have thermals. 

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It has almost the exact round as the L23A1 of Vickers MK.7 and Challenger 1, which have been 9.7 since added.

While these tanks have thermal, Leopard 2K has speed and a good auto cannon which is kinda the trade-off. I agree it is better at 9.3 though.

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12 minutes ago, Loongsheep said:

It has almost the exact round as the L23A1 of Vickers MK.7 and Challenger 1, which have been 9.7 since added.

While these tanks have thermal, Leopard 2K has speed and a good auto cannon which is kinda the trade-off. I agree it is better at 9.3 though.

Roughly the same, yeah. Those tanks both have thermals and a better reload.

 

they also slightly better armour and ERA for what it’s worth.

 

also, they do get their best round stock but that’s more me being nit picky since the leo2k gets its best round as a tier 1 mod, So not really a big deal.

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Nah, the combination of mobility, gun and the 20mm cannon doesnt justify it getting a better round imo. Your point doesn't make much sense either, before this patch, the 2K was even closer to top tier, facing 10.3s in a constant basis, maybe even more than now.

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6 hours ago, *CodyBlues said:

The nerfed DM12 just sub par at best and the DM13 isn’t really cutting it vs top tier vehicles.

 

Can we please get a slightly better round? The lower BR was rejected and it doesn’t even have thermals. 

 

The Leopard 2k we have in game is actually supposed to have thermals but as for how they worked my  understanding is limited due to the lack of information, I cant give you the exact name of the device but the testbed was tested with thermals that were situated at the back end on top of the turret next to the 20mm in its own optical housing.

 

From the information I remember having, the turret/vehicle we have in game is the PT11 which exclusively housed the 20mm cannon but also had the thermal sights/optics that were tested as seen in the picture below.  What is interesting is that files mention the PT11 having Hydro-pneumatic suspension but we dont have that ability in game, I do know that the T11 Turret which is the name given to the turret carrying the 20mm cannon was interchangeable  and placed/tested on the hull that didn't use the Hydro=pneumatic suspension later on.

 

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The specific T11 turret we have on the 2k with the 20mm was tested with thermal sights the only issue would be digging up information on it to get a name for the device so more information can be dug up at the Bundes archive.

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7 hours ago, *CodyBlues said:

Roughly the same, yeah. Those tanks both have thermals and a better reload.

The Vickers doesn't load faster. It is all trade-off for reload speed with mobility.

 

7 hours ago, *CodyBlues said:

they also slightly better armour and ERA for what it’s worth.

The Vickers has armor on-par. Only the Chally 1 Mk.3 has ERA.

Turret is now butter since nerf. The lower portion gets penned by most rounds.

 

7 hours ago, *CodyBlues said:

also, they do get their best round stock but that’s more me being nit picky since the leo2k gets its best round as a tier 1 mod, So not really a big deal.

No. They start with L23 and you need to grind for L23A1 down the way.

The L23 is significantly worse.

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2 hours ago, OAleluia said:

Nah, the combination of mobility, gun and the 20mm cannon doesnt justify it getting a better round imo. Your point doesn't make much sense either, before this patch, the 2K was even closer to top tier, facing 10.3s in a constant basis, maybe even more than now.

It’s kinda worst now since 10.7 is the new vacuum and everything 9.3 and below will always be downtiered.

 

so now, there is no chance of fighting top dogs.

3 hours ago, *MiseryIndex556 said:

DM13 is much better than M774, which is the best round the US gets until 10.7, so no, the Leo 2K doesn’t need anything better. 

That doesn’t make sense.

7 minutes ago, Loongsheep said:

The Vickers doesn't load faster. It is all trade-off for reload speed with mobility.

 

The Vickers has armor on-par. Only the Chally 1 Mk.3 has ERA.

Turret is now butter since nerf. The lower portion gets penned by most rounds.

 

No. They start with L23 and you need to grind for L23A1 down the way.

The L23 is significantly worse.

Sorry, one of those reload faster. 
 

They still get APFSDS out of the box which is a lot better then HEAT-FS atm

 

the thermals point still stands. Fighting top tier vehicles without thermals is a nightmare.

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1 hour ago, *CodyBlues said:

They still get APFSDS out of the box which is a lot better then HEAT-FS atm

Maybe you should make suggestions... harder?

The Chally 1 used to start out with L15 APDS. It was even worse than HEAT at top tier. Then once in a blue moon they listened and let us start with L23.

 

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the thermals point still stands. Fighting top tier vehicles without thermals is a nightmare.

Sure, it is ideally a 9.3 vehicle (Rad90 at 9.0 is doing fine without thermal) but BR compression also means it will club current 8.3 tanks.

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2 hours ago, *CodyBlues said:

That doesn’t make sense.

 

It makes plenty of sense. The DM13 is more capable than the M774 and the Leo 2K is at a lower BR. Why should the 9.3 Leo 2K get a better round than the 10.0 M1 and IPM1?

 

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Leo 2k will remain to be a mere tertiary backup for top tier lineups. No one ever plays an black hole uptier  BR of 9.7 with such a lacking vehicle. Its the only 9.7 tank either, so you'd have to uptier the whole lineup for just one vehicle. No one ever does it. Which means Leo 2k remains to be an widely ignored vehicle. No thermals, no armor, ammo all around the interior .... But main issue is: You can't play top tier without termals. Its just impossible. Its especially sad since the version we have ingame had a shared thermal device for gunner/commander. With thermal device it would be top tier worthy.

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1 hour ago, *MiseryIndex556 said:

Didn't the Leo 2K get dropped to 9.3?

The change was dropped at release.

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As has been said previously, I think the Leopard 2K would be fine at 9.7 if it had its thermal. The 20mm cannon and speed only really helps it once it can get to brawling range; in long range snipe-fests against 10.7 vehicles it has no armor, lackluster ammunition and no thermals to spot (and lets not forget, the 2K is a fairly large vehicle without any reliable armor). These wouldn't have been an issue if it had move to 9.3, but where it remains at 9.7, it serves no purpose. It is almost exclusively used as a top tier back-up, and lacks many of the necessary commodities of top-tier.

 

On a similar tangent, end-tier Russia could probably do with some love in the thermals department.

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11 hours ago, Loongsheep said:

Maybe you should make suggestions... harder?

The Chally 1 used to start out with L15 APDS. It was even worse than HEAT at top tier. Then once in a blue moon they listened and let us start with L23.

 

Sure, it is ideally a 9.3 vehicle (Rad90 at 9.0 is doing fine without thermal) but BR compression also means it will club current 8.3 tanks.

I think a lot of the current 8.7-9.0 vehicles can be moved up to 9.3 now. 
 

If we got BR 11.0 then a lot of them should be moved to 9.7. Get the boot off of 8.3’s throat.

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I think the DM-13 is fine for it's BR. I mean, sure a better round would be nice but you could say the same for pretty much anyone right, lmao. And if you think this is rough for the 2k, have a look at the M1 Abrams and the IPM1. They have worse shells and they're a lower caliber. That said, at least they have a decent reload.

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On 30/06/2020 at 04:28, Loongsheep said:

Maybe you should make suggestions... harder?

The Chally 1 used to start out with L15 APDS. It was even worse than HEAT at top tier. Then once in a blue moon they listened and let us start with L23.

 

Sure, it is ideally a 9.3 vehicle (Rad90 at 9.0 is doing fine without thermal) but BR compression also means it will club current 8.3 tanks.

yea but XM-1 is fine 

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On 29/06/2020 at 19:31, *CodyBlues said:

The nerfed DM12 just sub par at best and the DM13 isn’t really cutting it vs top tier vehicles.

Can we please get a slightly better round? The lower BR was rejected and it doesn’t even have thermals. 

 

One of the best 9.7's in the game, DM13 is plenty powerful for a 9.7 and it doesn't need anything better.

If it did get anything better, it's a 10.0 tank.

 

 

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On 30/06/2020 at 04:24, *MiseryIndex556 said:

 

Cela a beaucoup de sens. Le DM13 est plus performant que le M774 et le Leo 2K est à un BR inférieur. Pourquoi le 9.3 Leo 2K devrait-il avoir un meilleur round que le 10.0 M1 et IPM1?

 

why 9.3 and 9.7 russian obtains better ammunition than 10.0, that's what it must say, the 2k is easily killable, and has no thermal

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16 minutes ago, *Brahimbs92 said:

why 9.3 and 9.7 russian obtains better ammunition than 10.0

 

Leopard 2K has a 20mm cannon, therefore it's bestest tank evah.

 

See? I can cherry-pick a good thing whilst disregarding every bad thing about a tank too!

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So because multiple tanks at or around this br need better rounds, people feel that the 2K should not get a better round. 

 

When m1 was introduced,  the m774 was more then enough since it faced the 2k as top tier. Like so many others it got surpassed by new additions.

 

Rounds area be added like m800, 833 or even 900, if striker ever gets added. 

 

Why do the Ariete and the STRV 122 have the clxxxxx round,  which is the Dm 43 or even 53, the most modern non DU 120MM round for NATO. DM63 just preforms the same at all temperatures.

 

The ussr tanks got a blanket Mango round accross the board at a third of the cost of nato top round. 

 

Tanks should have an equal chance,  start with a kinetic round, with HE or HEAT as back up, the French top tiers all have a single t4 apfsds and heat stock. 

 

All should  end with a competative selection of rounds and upgrades. Thermal is a good example. 

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