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Very good on tank max BR increases to 10.7!

 

Recommendation:

 

Chieftain Mk 10 go from 9.0 to 8.7 in Realistic Tank battles.

 

Reason:

 

In this Planned Battle Rating  changes, the T-62M-1 is going to 8.7 (from 9.0), despite being better in terms of speed, manoeuvrability, armour (mostly), penetration on the ammo and having many more ammo types than the Chieftain Mk 10.

 

The only advantage the Chieftain Mk 10 has is better gun depression and better reload time. Because of this, I believe Chieftain Mk 10 has no place at 9.0 any longer and should go to 8.7, the same as the T-62M-1. 

 

I hope you agree with my recommendation. 

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10.7, Good Step, Slow Step, But It Does Have To Go Higher Sooner Or Later, As Worn Out As It The Sentence "6.7 Sufferz" Is, It Does Need Some More Breathing Space. 

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It's nice to see 10.7 becoming a thing, and the Roland going down to 9.7 as well, hopefully we see some jets and helicopters going to 10.7 too. Here's a copy paste of some BR changes I've been asking for the past couple of threads :

 

French H-34 : 8.3 -> 8.0 (This one is the most needed of my suggestions imo)

It is one of the if not the worst helicopter in the game and, even though it has 2 missiles, their range is limited and there's only 2 of them. All cannon SPAAs can hit it if it gets at the needed range to fire its missiles. It also has pretty bad preformance and maneuverability. It is arguably worse than the AH-1G. In the french tree, there is no reason to not take the Alouette II or III over it, and a small BR decrease would put it in a line up where it would fit better, so that it is not overlooked. After such change, the french helicopter tree would finally become playable as a whole. If you force France to start with such a helicopter, at least make it playable :lol2:

 

Ouragan/Barougan : 7.7 -> 7.3

Now that a bunch of 9.0 jets went down to 8.7, the Ouragan and Barougan at 7.7 have become unplayable in uptiers (which happen very often) and them going down to 7.3 wouldn't make them overpowered but it would make them playable again.

 

Vautour IIB : 9.0 -> 8.7

The Vautour IIB's only advantage when released, as it has no guns, was its speed. Now that multiple 8.7 and 9.0 jets that can catch it have been added, it would be nice to see it go down in BR so there can be a reason to play it as the IIA is simply better while being at the same BR.

 

Tunguska : 10.0 -> 10.3

It's AA and AT capabilities are too good compared to other missile AAs at its current BR.

 

M4A3E2 : 5.3 -> 5.0

The Jumbo is meant to be able to count on its armor. It has quite a bad cannon and was fine at 4.7 where it was hard to pen from the front but still had obvious weakspots and was easy to kill from the side. I didn't understand why it went up to 5.0 and I can only imagine it becoming useless at 5.3 as it won't be able to count on its armor anymore and its cannon will become even more useless.

 

BR increase to 10.7

Some top tier MBTs, the ADATS, some of the recently added Mach 2s and the latest helicopters could use a 0.3 BR increase to 10.7 as some of them should never face 9.3. This kind of increase is imo possible now as a bunch of vehicles that could fit this new BR have already been added.

 

I don't understand things like the G.91 pre-serie going down to 8.3 though, it's too good to face 7.3 imo. And the Panther at 5.3? really?

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vehicle:
PBY4-2 (american and chinese and france)
gamemode:
all modes
BR change:
5.3 to 5.0 or 4.7
reason:
at the BR it is currently at it is an increible pain to use, it has the speed of 1.3 bombers and the armament of 4.3 bombers meaning that 9/10 youll be killed by an interceptor before you can get to a base.

 

 

vehicle:
P1Y1 mod 11 (japanese and chinese)
gamemode:
RB
BR change:
4.3 to 4.0
reason:
it lacks good defensive or offensive armament, with a single 20mm being able to do very little, even more so if stock, add the fact that it can carry very few bombs at all.

 

 

vehicle:
PT-76 (chinese)
gamemode:
all modes
BR change:
5.3 to 5.0
reason:
it is at the same BR as the soviet variant but is a lot more weaker, this is due to 2 reasons, the first being that this version does not have STAB while the soviet one does, and this one has fuel tanks at the back which prevent you from firing behind you, a problem which the soviet variant does not have.

 

 

vehicle:
type 69 (chinese)
gamemode:
AB
BR change:
8.3 to 8.0
reason:
its now put at the same BR as soviet tanks such as the T-55A and T-62 and even the T55AM-1 yet only has 220mm pen apfsds which is uncredibly underpowered compared to other apfsds rounds at the BR, the only other option for ammunition is a heatfs round which is used on T-54s at 7.7, therefore making this quite an underpowered tank.

 

 

vehicle:
type 62 (chinese and soviet)
gamemode:
all modes
BR change:
6.7 to 6.3
reason:
it has the same gun which the T-44 uses but has paper armour, the only advantage this has over the T-44 is the heatfs but only has 300mm pen, compare this to tanks such as the ikv 91 at the same BR with 400mm pen or the french AML-90 with 320mm, the type 69 just doesnt stand up well to much else at its BR.

 

 

vehicle:
strv m/42 EH (swedish)
gamemode:
all modes
BR change:
3.0 to 2.7
reason:
the tank overall is very underwhelming at 3.0, it lacks the rounds to even effectively deal with stuff at 3.3 such as shermans and T-34 1940, it also lacks the armour to take hits from said vehicles.

 

 

vehicle:
I-16 type 24 (soviet)
gamemode:
RB
BR change:
2.3 to 2.0
reason:
Its literally a worse version than the type 18 which sits at 2.0, all stats are the exact same apart from the fact that the type 24 has a slightly worse climb rate.

 

 

vehicle:
PBM3 mariner (american)
gamemode:
RB
BR change:
3.0 to 2.7
reason:
another bomber that feels really underpowered, it is as fast as 1.3 bombers we see ingame meaning that youll be engaged by a fighter before youve reached your target and the mediocre armament you have means youll be able to do little in response.

 

 

vehicle:
CW-21 (chinese)
gamemode:
AB
BR change:
1.7 to 2.0
reason:
I honestly cant see why this has not been moved up already, it has better speed, climb rate and even often turn rate than every other 1.7 plane, add the fact that the armament is something more fitting for a 2.0 plane

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Finally! A little decompression;  But more importantly, the ROMOR is finally where it belongs at 9.0. 

Recommendation: Move the SIDAM 25 (Mistral) to 9.7 or 9.3

Reason:
 

The Mistral, while its missiles are very capable against jets, is severely limited by its lack of any radar. Furthermore, its optronic targeting systems struggle quite a bit against high speed jets at mid-low altitude as is seen with the Phantoms, Mig-21s and F-104s, this is further exacerbated by the range limitations of the missiles and the guns which, I believe, cap out at a range of 3.5km which is shorter than the range of ATGMs from even early helis. All in all, the Mistral is simply ineffective when compared to the OTOMATIC and should both be below it and at an even lower BR than it is. 

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4 hours ago, Stona said:

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Planned Battle Rating changes - June 2020

 

To open the BR list in a new tab, click here!

 

 

If you think we should make some additional changes or do not agree with listed changes, please support your suggestions with arguments!
We read all your feedback, so it can take some time to approve your post. Please be sure to stay on topic.
Thanks!

 

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Challenger 2 (2F)  AB 10.3 >  10.7, RB  10.3

 > 10.7

 

Challenger 2 should be 10.7 too, bc it's exactly the same tank, 2F could use "additional armor", but it gives nothing in game, it's just additional 1 tone weight more xd.

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Realistic battles:

F-89D from 7.3 to 7.7

Reason: presents of her at 7.3 ruined ww2 jet matches to level noone wants to play early axis jets.

 

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Change:

Chi-To to 4.3

Chi-To Late to 4.3

Chi-Ri to 4.7

 

Reason:

Chi-To

Why not move both Chi-To down? Chi-To was at 4.3 for the longest time as an equivalent to Pz.IV H (4.3 for H, 4.0 for G and J), but you moved it up to 4.7 with Chi-To Late because both vehicles are the same. Why not just move both down to 4.3 instead of having them at 4.7? These vehicles are not better than any other nation's 4.3 to incur .3 higher. Chi-Nu II is at 4.0 and Chi-To function nearly the same with slightly better armor and slightly better mobility. One of the most common requests before was to lower Chi-To Late to 4.3 as it's not much different than Chi-To which was 4.3.

 

Chi-Ri

This vehicle is essentially a much worse Chi-To with an assisted loader system. This assisted loader system does not and has not worked correctly since the vehicle has been added. Even if the system did work, the vehicle would be competitive at 4.7. You can not seriously consider this vehicle to be worthy of .3 lower than Tiger H1 when it can barely out perform the already overtiered Chi-To. Is the 5.0 placement based around the loading system or possibly its performance when it had short reload for a limited time? The BR should be corrected to match its performance.

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Suggestions to the changes above:

 

Leopard 2K to remain at 9.7. This will crucially endanger the already crippled 8.3 lineups for the Allies that are already getting stomped by 279 swarms and T-55-AM1s. The 2K has no sense to be joining that battle, it will make this problem even worse.

 

Panther D to remain at 5.7. This ever increasing power creep of BR changes on German big tanks is already ridiculous with every 4.7 game being pulled up to face at least 5.3, this will only make it worse by increasing the number of Panthers they have to face.

 

New Suggestions, all for Ground RB:

 

Chieftain Mk10 to 8.7, it is outclassed by every other 9.0 tank from the premiums who are faster, hit harder, and basically just as armoured since armour barely matters to either of them. It also has no thermals. it has no line up at its tier at all either.

 

Black Prince to 5.7. It's the slowest tank in the game, with a 4.7's armour, and a 5.3s gun at 6.0. It is hopelessly obsolete at its BR, now the Panther D, a medium tank that can lolpen it through the front, is going to 5.3. The Black Prince is the clumsiest, slowest XP pinata around at that rank. It also has absolutely no line up at its tier.

 

Tortoise to 6.3. It's worse than the Ferdinand and Jagdtiger through being much easier to kill (since everything firing at it has APHE, rendering its large crew a pointless advantage), has a worse gun, and is every big as cumbersome.

 

Mark IV A13 Mk.II 1939 to 1.3. This thing has no reason to be at 1.7. It's exactly the same as tanks of its own family at 1.3.

 

AC.IV to 4.7. It's literally just a Firefly. Same mobility, basically the same armour, same gun. Why is it at 5.3 instead of 4.7? There is zero reason to play this. Alternative is to give it APDS and leave it at 5.3.

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Yes, finally a top tier BR increase! Good job :salute:   The Leopard 2K will surely enjoy this.
Also, it should say "SU-85 > ..." instead of "SU-86"

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Very pleased to see ground rb getting 10.7. Few odd choices like the pso getting put up to 10.7, imo this version is worse than the standard ariete; less armour in important places and significantly more sluggish with the useless armour package - should either get war kit upgrade to turret face or swapped with the standard one in the tree line. As @magazine2 t62 going down when objectively worse tanks at that br aren't is an unusual choice. Lack of decompression for air is a real disappointment, imo that top tier suffers far more from compression than ground battle. Overall steps in the right direction though.

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10 minutes ago, magazine2 said:

Very good on tank max BR increases to 10.7!

 

Recommendation:

 

Chieftain Mk 10 go from 9.0 to 8.7 in Realistic Tank battles.

 

Reason:

 

In this Planned Battle Rating  changes, the T-62M-1 is going to 8.7 (from 9.0), despite being better in terms of speed, manoeuvrability, armour (mostly), penetration on the ammo and having many more ammo types than the Chieftain Mk 10.

 

The only advantage the Chieftain Mk 10 has is better gun depression and better reload time. Because of this, I believe Chieftain Mk 10 has no place at 9.0 any longer and should go to 8.7, the same as the T-62M-1. 

 

I hope you agree with my recommendation. 

 

 

I whole heartadly agree with this I can understand the chieftain MK10 going to 9.0 back in the day But as it stands its slower than most mbts with APFSDS rounds at that B.R does not have thermals.It currently sits at a B.R all by itself Moving it to 8.7 at least gives a reason to Grind it out other than to get past it too the challengers at 8.7 it has the new Rooicat 105 as a nippy support .And you can also bring your 8.3 lineup with it while not Ideal it is  a better state than bringing it  into a 9.0 lineup just for the MK10.

 

I personally as I have the Reaper  Shotkhal and Rooicat 105 would Instantly have this as my go to lineup for SL grinding etc .

 

Like it is the equivelent of the Leopard A1A1 with a bigger gun and slower .

 

So please  please please Bring the poor lonely Chieftain MK10  down to 8.7 BR .

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Okay so we all knew the Panther D would go to 5.3 sooner or later so lets not waste any energy complaining about that. Instead, how about we focus on the T-62M-1 going to 8.7? Russia finally has a viable 8.7 lineup with the BMP-3, T-61M and maybe the 685, plus now the 279 aswell which will still rule the late game. 

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Having the max BR go up to 10.7 is a good start, however seeing the 2K, T-62M-1, Type 16, and ROMOR go down feels off. With the top BR going to 10.7, these vehicles will be more viable even at their curret BRs, and it doesn't seem necessary to force them on the 8.7s. For example, the Type 16 going down is an AMX-10RC on super steroids, that ends up within the same BR range, it doesn't seem wise, and i feel we should leave these vehicles at their current BRs to see how they perform there when they are no longer being stepped on by the former 10.3.

And if these do go down, why not bring comparable vehicles with them that were suffering of the compression of 10.3, such as the AMX-32, AMX-40, and Chieftain Mk.10 ?

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Type-93- 9.7-->9.0

Game mode: Ground RB

Reason: it's missiles are very bad ( still waiting bug reports to go live) does not belong at 9.3. 9.0 seems better to go with Type-16 and Type-74 as well as giving it Scouting and repairing allies and hopefully the missiles get adjusted.

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Type-93 is at 9.7 not 9.3 which is even worse.
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Haha! Great. Finally.
It's very nice that F-104's are out of the 9.7 band. but. But who said you want G.91YS to be BR10.0? It would be nice to divide the BR into 10.7 like in a land battle, but if it is left unchanged at 10.3 it is definitely a bad thing. stop it.

Finally, releasing 10.7 means introducing a new tank into the French Army, right? Otherwise it will not be balanced.

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