rumors War Thunder: Raining Fire - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion

[magazine2 7,893]

Patch is now live, time to lock the thread  

 

Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion. 

 

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I welcome you to the new Rumor Round-up thread:

 

 

Thanks guys, have fun 

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

 

 

Welcome to the War Thunder: Raining Fire - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion thread!

 

Here you can discuss everything related to the new update - such as rumors and other related discussions.

 

Please avoid these types of discussions:

 

-Wish listing - there's a separate thread for that here

-Specifics of vehicle specs like armour, ammo, guns, data sheets - you can make a thread here

-Bug reports - you can make a thread here

 

Not avoiding these discussions will result in your post hidden by a moderator.

 

Please use the Starfighters update thread to discuss Update "Starfighters". Complaining here won't solve anything. 

FAQ

 

Q: What is this thread about?

A:  This thread is about the upcoming patch  and future content.

 

Q: Shouldn't the next patch be 1.101 or 1.100?

A: Every new patch will have a different update number for technical purposes (like all software), but for major War Thunder updates, it will officially be known as only a update name and no number. For example, it is no longer advertised as "Update 1.99" but instead "War Thunder: Starfighters". Future updates will just officially have the name. Of course, players may still call the update by its technical number and not the official patch name, like in old times.

 

Q: Will you add...?

A: No. We are no developers, just nosy players.

 

Q: Why isn't [vehicle] on the list?

A: Either because there is no evidence that this vehicle will be added, or because no one told me that there is such evidence.

 

Q: Why is [vehicle/feature] on the Denied list?

A: Because said feature or vehicle was denied by Gaijin developers or their representatives at some point in the past.

 

Q: Where did my post go?

A: Off-Topic comments will often be hidden (not deleted) to keep this thread readable and on topic. No need to be alarmed or comment on the disappearing post(s), if concerned then PM Forum Moderators or Seniors.

 

Q: When will we get the patch?

A: Currently our best guess is in September 2020.

 

Q: What if I don't want to read all these pages to find out what will come?

A: Read the OP. I and moderators will frequently update it with new information.

 

 

Unconfirmed / General overview of new stuff (to be updated regularly):

 

Stuff that has been confirmed officially by Gaijin will have "Confirmed:" in front of it.

 

 

Aircraft:

 

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Aircraft general

• Drop tank mechanics (CDK finds, however currently not deemed necessary by developers)
• Confirmed: Plans for new aircraft carrier models - Source 1 / Source 2
• Developing missile battle system beyond visual range - Source 
• Bigger aircraft carriers - Source

 

US aircraft

• PV-2 (CDK finds) - Source
• Confirmed: B-26 Marauder being worked on - Source
• PBM-5a (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• PBM-1 (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• F-105 Thunderchief - A pylon has been found in the CDK. The 3000 lbs M118 bomb that has been found was only really used by the F-105 during rolling thunder. Rarely was it fitted onto the F4 - Source  used in game by the F3H
• F-8 Crusader - The AIM-9C is mentioned in the files. The AIM-9C was only used on the F-8. The other other plane that fired them was a modifed F3D-2M in testing in China Lake - Source
• Chances of adding A-10 is good - Source
• F-8A Crusader - Source
• F-89J - Source
• F-89C (30 mm) - Source
• F-89C (Rockets) - Source
• J2M3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• P-66 - Source 1 / Source 2
• A-35B - Source 1 / Source 2
• F6F-3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the F6F-5 came instead, unused since then)
• PBJ-1J-1 - Source 1 / Source 2
• PV-2 - Source 1 / Source 2
• SB2C-5 - Source 1 / Source 2
• TBD-1 (1937) - Source 1 / Source 2
• F2G-1 Super Corsair - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• F-82G  - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files
• remodel F-4E with maneuvering wing slats - Source

 

German aircraft

• B-17 G - Source 1 / Source 2  / Source 3 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• MiG-3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Mosquito FB Mk. VI - Source 1 / Source 2  / Source 3 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• P-39Q-5 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• P-51B - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Pe-2-359 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Bf 110C-4 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the C-7 came in its stead in 1.79, unused since then)
• H-75A-2 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4 
• H-75A-4 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• B-24D - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files
• IL-4 - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files
• P-38G - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files
• P-51D-5  - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files
• Typhoon Mk. Ib  - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files
• Typhoon Mk. Ib/late - Source  tech tree picture picture found in the files

 

Russian/Soviet aircraft

• BI-1 - Source
• BI-6 - Source
• I250 - Source
• La-7r - Source
• MiG-19S (CDK find) - Source
• Confirmed: MiG-21 variants - planned several more versions, and they are being worked on already - Source
• Chances of adding Su-25 is good - Source
• DI-6 - Source
• IL-20 - Source
• Yak-25 - Source
• I-215 - Source
• VI-100 - Source
• R-10 - Source
• Tu-12 - Source
• MDR-6 - Source
• PBY-5 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• DB-3A - Source 1 / Source 2
• Gudkov K-37 - Source 1 / Source 2
• I-16 Type 17 - Source 1 / Source 2
• LaGG-3-1 - Source 1 / Source 2
• LaGG-3-29 - Source 1 / Source 2
• MiG-15bis (NS-23) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• SB-2M-100a (Spain) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4 
• MiG-3U - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files

 

Great British aircraft

• Spitfire IX If c (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Lincoln B Mk I (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• Hornet F.1 (CDK find) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3
• Whirlwind Mk II - Source
• Early Seafires - Source
• Maryland Mk I (data finds) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Shackleton MR.Mk 1 (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• Welkin Mk.I (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Welkin Mk.I late (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Bf 109F-4 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Boston Mk. II - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• J2M3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Catalina Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Catalina Mk. I RAAF - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Hurricane Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the Hurricane Mk. I/late came in its stead, unused since then)
• Mustang Mk. IA (p_51_mk1a) - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the current one uses the p_51b model)
• H-75A-4 (Mohawk IV) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• Havoc Mk. I Pandora - Source 1 / Source 2
• Intruder Mk. II - Source 1 / Source 2
• Mustang Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2
• Hurricane Mk.I/L FAA M - Source

 

Japanese aircraft

• Confirmed: F-4EJ Kai is being worked on - Source
• J5N2 - Source
• Ki-64 - Source
• Ki-74 - Source
• Ki-88 - Source
• H8K1 - Source
• H8K4 - Source
• LaGG-3-8 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Ki-45 ko tei - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• Ki-45 hei tei - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4 
• G4M1 - Source 1 / Source 2
• G5N2 - Source
• G8N2 - Source 1 / Source 2
• Ki-43-III ko - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Chinese aircraft

• Chinese P-36 found in CDK - Source
• H-75A-5 - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75M - Source 1 / Source 2
• Confirmed: Q-5 from preliminary tech-tree - Source
• A6M5 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4 
• B-17 - Source 1 / Source 2
• La-7 - Source 1 / Source 2
• Pe-2-359 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• D.510C - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• P-26A-35 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• MiG-15bis (NS-23) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• SB-2 (M-103U) (MV-3) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• P-51D-20 - Source tech tree picture found in the files

 

Italian aircraft

• D.520 - Source 1 / Source 2
• Re.2000 G.A. Red 5 - Source

 

French aircraft

• F-8E (FN) Crusader - Source 
• H-75A-1 (1939) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• H-75A-2 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• H-75A-3 - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• H-75A-3 (Vichy) - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Swedish aircraft

• Potential Swedish air tree candidates (pure guess work), Finnish ones, found in files - Source
• Confirmed: S 17BS - Source
• Confirmed: Sk 60b - Source
• Confirmed: Viggen is in the works - Source: 1.95 test server livestream
• Pe-3bis - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75A-1 (Finland) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• H-75A-3 (Finland) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• H-75A-4 (Finland) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• H-75A-6 (Finland) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• J 34 Hunter - Source

 

Other aircraft

• The Netherlands: B-25J-30 - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75A-7 (NL) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• H-75N (Thai) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files

 

Ground forces:

 

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Ground forces general

• Regenerative steering - Source
• Time fused shells - Source 1 / Source 2
• Damage model of wheeled vehicles for damage to suspension and wheels - Source
• Single player ground campaign in the works - Source
• New Japan map - Source
• More wheeled vehicles - Source

 

US ground forces

• M4A4 (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• M3A3 (data finds) - Source
• M103A2 (possible) - Source

 

German ground forces

• Pz.35t Romania Mare premium (CDK and data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3
• East-German T-72M1 is possible - Source
• Puma IFV - Source

 

Russian/Soviet ground forces

• BA-3 - Source
• BA-6 - Source
• More armoured cars - Source
• ZSU Yenisei planned - Source
• PT-76 - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• SU-76D - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files

 

Great British ground forces

• Cruiser Tank, Ram II - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Japanese ground forces

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Chinese ground forces

• Confirmed: ZTZ99 - Source
• Confirmed: ZTZ99A - Source
• Confirmed: ZTZ63A - Source
• Confirmed: Type 79 - Source
• Confirmed: PGZ88 - Source
• Confirmed: PTZ89 - Source
• Confirmed: Sd Kfz 222 - Source
• Confirmed: Type 59-II - Source
• Confirmed: CM25 TOW - Source
• Confirmed: ZSD53 - Source
• ZTZ-69-IIa - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3 / Source 4
• More Chinese SPAA this year (2020) - Source
• BT-5 - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• Ha-Go - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files
• T-34-85 (D-5T) - Source 1 / Source 2 tech tree picture and stat card picture found in the files

 

Italian ground forces

• 75/34 M43 with BREDA 8mm MG's on top - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3
• M14/41 with 47/40 gun - Source 
• Plans to add more ground vehicles between 4.3 - 6.0 - Source 

 

French ground forces

• AMX-50 1950 - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3
• Citroën-Kégresse P19T - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Swedish ground forces

• Strv m/41 S-I - Source 
• Strv 74 (Rb 52) - Source 

 

Naval:

 

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Naval general

• Mines
• New naval game modes - Source

• Texture updates for PT boats' 37mm M4. - Source

• Slowly approaching battle-cruiser sized ships - Source

• tt_pta53_56_533mm was used on Kotlin class destroyers. - (Source)
• tt_tta53_50_533mm for Riga class frigates.
• turret_127mm_mk32 is a slightly more modern 5 inch side arm for U.S. cruisers. - (Source)
• turret_140mm_50_type3_twin was for the experimental IJN CL Yubari and as some minelayers or seaplane tenders. - (Source)
• turret_203mm_mk12_triple was used on some of the more modern US heavy cruisers, namely the Wichita/Baltimore/Oregon City classes. - (Source)
• turret_130mm_bl109a_twin and turret_305mm_sm31_triple? - used on "Stalingrad" class Heavy Cruiser(Source)

 

 

US navy

• Alaska - Source

 

German navy

• Scharnhorst - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Russian/Soviet navy

• Kronshtadt - Source
• Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya - Source  

 

Great British navy

• DD J-Class HMS Jervis (data finds) - Source

 

Japanese navy

• Type K-8 (1942) - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Chinese navy

• Confirmed: Plans for the Chinese navy - Source

 

Italian navy

• Zara Class CA - Source
• Commandanti Medaglie d'oro - Source
• MS74 Serie 2a (Torpedoboat)  - Source

 

French navy

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Swedish navy

• Section empty

 

Helicopters:

 

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General helicopters

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US helicopters

• YAH-64 images were accidentally uploaded to the PS4 store.
• YAH-64 was in the Ka-50's dev blog clip by mistake - Source

 

German helicopters

• Section empty

 

Russian/Soviet helicopters

• Section empty

 

Great British helicopters

• Confirmed: Plans to develop the British helicopter research tree - Source
• Confirmed: Considering more helicopters, specifically the Westland Wessex - Source  

 

Japanese helicopters

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Chinese helicopters

• Plans for Chinese helicopter research tree (coming in 2020) - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Italian helicopters

• Confirmed: Italian helicopters will come in 2020 - Source 1 / Source 2

 

French helicopters

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Swedish helicopters

• Swedish helicopter tree "most likely" - Source

 

Other helicopters

• Mi-24 Superhind not excluded as a possibility - Source
• Denel Rooivalk not excluded as a possibility - Source
• T129 ATAK not excluded as a possibility - Source

 

Other:

 

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Other general

• One developer has plans for helicopter EC - Source
• Volokolamsk will come back after being re-worked - Source
• Cluster bombs coming at some stage - Source

 

Unclear:

 

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General unclear

• Type 90 Ship-to-ship missile (90式艦対艦誘導弾, SSM-1B) - Source
• Otomat Mk I missile - Source
• OV-10A unclear - being worked on by Nova, it's a possible candidate.
• Submarines unclear - Q&A so far said either "not now" or "not yet". Submarines might come eventually since they were in April Fools 2018.
• Auxiliary cruisers - non in development, but haven not been ruled out, said in 2017 - Source 

 

Denied:

 

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General denied

• PTAB-SD 4 HL - Source
• Zerstörer 45 - Source
• Changing loaded round without shooting.
• Fairey Gannet (shoot range, 13 / 04 / 2017)
• B-36
• No Israeli tech tree - Source
• British Gazelle - Source - Not enough evidence for British Gazelle armament, therefore denied for now, need more information on it

 

[magazine2 7,893]

Thanks Lord! Pinned!

[Stavroforos 15,108]

Oh man, those few minutes between the previous patch being released and the new RR&D thread being posted, I really don't know what to do with my life. 

 

Welcome back everyone!

[_CrustyCumRag_ 460]

T90 is next in turn!

[Galm1_Cypher 376]

Hello there !

[MERTRAL 1,685]

hi.

[Brice2Nis59 366]

1 minute ago, MERTRAL said:

hi.

 

Not this update Mertral, at least wait 1-2 before asking for the Rafale.

[gszabi99_HUN 10,030]

@Lord_of_Sofa, @magazine2

Shouldn't the G5N2 be added to the main post?

https://imgur.com/LIeMUkK

[Draco_Argentum 1,493]

So, we know Italian and Chinese choppers are coming this year. Good odds of one of those this patch.

 

We also know battlecruisers are this year but I imagine not this patch since we just had a new naval tree.

 

Other than that probably more expansion of guided weapons since they just added SARH ground missiles, FAF ASMs and beam riding SSMs. I doubt thats the last we'll see of those areas.

[magazine2 7,893]

1 minute ago, gszabi99_HUN said:

@Lord_of_Sofa, @magazine2

Shouldn't the G5N2 be added to the main post?

https://imgur.com/LIeMUkK

 

Yeah, also what about some of the new GE premiums that didn't make it. Like the new premium Hurricane?

[[email protected] 163]

Do we start to spam the T-word now or later?

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

Just now, Draco_Argentum said:

Other than that probably more expansion of guided weapons since they just added SARH ground missiles, FAF ASMs and beam riding SSMs. I doubt thats the last we'll see of those areas.

 

In combination with the ability to lock on to missiles we could finally see the full potential of the Albatross.

[magazine2 7,893]

1 minute ago, *SFC_HoovyLuca said:

Do we start to spam the T-word now or later?

 

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

4 minutes ago, magazine2 said:

Yeah, also what about some of the new GE premiums that didn't make it. Like the new premium Hurricane?

 

I should definitely add those, but I need some details

[Mad_Martinez 137]

What a pity that you're dropping numbering. I was expecting something big for the 2.01 patch :/

Edited May 26, 2020 by Mad_Martinez

[Nicolaser 2,022]

So the topic almost started and there is already that much of wishlist 

[Capt_Rodgers 2,326]

I’m bit dissapointed that some Japanese helis have black and white pictures instead of colored ones. Would be nice if they will be colored in the future

[Magiaconatus 1,658]

1 minute ago, Mad_Martinez said:

What a pity that you're dropping numbering. I was expecting something big for the 2.01 patch :/

The number is still there in the launcher.

[gszabi99_HUN 10,030]

2 minutes ago, magazine2 said:

 

Yeah, also what about some of the new GE premiums that didn't make it. Like the new premium Hurricane?

1 minute ago, Lord_of_Sofa said:

 

I should definitely add those, but I need some details

Strv m/39 TD (Tier I, 1.0)

Hurricane Mk.I/L FAA M (Tier II, 2.7/2.3/2.0, 850 GE premium)

Re.2000 G.A. Red 5 (Tier II, 2.0, 850 GE premium)

[Mad_Martinez 137]

2 minutes ago, Magiaconatus said:

The number is still there in the launcher.

Read the faq. Of course it'll be the in launcher and in the code but it isn't important anymore, so the next patch most likely won't be any special.

[Cedjoe 5,459]

20 minutes ago, Brice2Nis59 said:

 

Not this update Mertral, at least wait 1-2 before asking for the Rafale.

Switzerland never used the Rafale 

[Brice2Nis59 366]

Just now, Cedjoe said:

Switzerland never used the Rafale 

yet* )))

[Cedjoe 5,459]

Anyway I guess we might see a Mirage IIIE and/or another Leclerc 

Or yeah maybe an F-8.

Oh the new in game changelog looks nice and clean 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Cedjoe

[SasquatchFox360 1,006]

When I switched from Dev to production it wanted to do full update

[efetenekeci 1,769]

That update was a good final to 1.xx updates. Every nation has Mach 2 vehicles and everybody got a vehicle. Even m-guys had theirs 

 

@magazine2 Can you delete this from the list please

 

German aircraft

• F-86K (CDK find) - Source

Edited May 26, 2020 by efetenekeci