Leopard 1 Thetis  

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  1. 1. Leopard 1 Thetis for Italy?

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  2. 2. Tech tree, Premium, Or event?

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General Info
As many of you know, the Leopard was chosen to become Italy's main tank due to the now outdated M47's not being as useful as they were at one point. Italy decided to go for the Leopard 1 due having great mobility that would've helped it traverse Italian terrian. Another reason the Leopard was chosen was due to the ability it had in shooting the majority of NATO ammunition. Once deliveries were made, Italy's OTO Melara had decided to experiment with the '' Officine Galileo Thetis '', a thermal infra-red sight system. Which was tested on a updated version of the OF-40 that had itself some extra armour around the tank. The Leopard 1a1 was also given the Thetis thermal infra-red sight sytem to better evalute its introduction on both vehicles. However the project was put to a hault due to a new more modern upgrade for the OF-40, the OF-40 MK2, which took prority, and also the fact that Italy was about to buy new Leopard 1A2's.
Armaments+equipment
105mm Rifled cannon
Thetis Thermal Tank Infra-red system
Machine guns.
Specifications
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Why it should be in game
Well everyone seems to complain about copy paste vehicles nowadays, and even though there might be some genuine points as to why certain vehicles shouldn't appear again on a different tree, for Italy, it shouldn't apply atleast in this case. Italy used extensivley the Leopards, and kept them into service for a long time, while people have been discussing wether italy should get a leopard, this should atleast make everyone happy as its a unique variant of the leopard, since it has access to the Thetis Thermal sights. It could incredibely bolster Italian lineups in Mid-tiers. And then there would be more options for a more realistic Italian army since most of its tree is made of vehicles that were never put into service. Atleast with the leopard we can get even more representation of the Italian armed forces, while also filling up the tree with something relativley easy to implement due to the majority of this vehicle already being in game.
Sources
http://www.senato.it/service/PDF/PDFServer/BGT/1067230.pdf
https://portal.emsa.europa.eu/web/thetis
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1
https://www.leonardocompany.com/documents/20142/3150419/THETIS_LQ_mm07860_.pdf?t=1538987612626
https://www.leonardocompany.com/documents/20142/3150014/Erica_FF_Full_Format_Thermal_Imager_LQ_mm08118_.pdf?t=1538987554504

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/al-khalid-type-85iii-upgrade-program.t3043/

http://www.modp.gov.pk/modp/userfiles1/file/MoDP Data/NEW YEAR BOOK 2008.pdf
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/West_Germany/Leopard-I

https://www.leonardocompany.com/documents/20142/3150713/TILDE_LQ_mm07866_.pdf?t=1538987659754
https://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/Leopard1.html
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/leopard.htm
(From leonardo site https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/644221748631437312/708341589709422722/THETIS_LQ_mm07860_.pdf )
Pictures
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Open for discussion. :salute:

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47 minutes ago, Ruthless95 said:

definitely not. never hopefully.

The Italian Army had 900 Leopard 1 tanks in service, 700 of which were built by OTO Melara. Italy was the second largest user of Leopard in the world, after Germany.

 

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no other nation in game is borrowing other nation's 7.0 to 9.0 MBTs/IFVs/wheeled TDs, because they all had their own (except mbt-70 which is not german nor american but mish mash of both and a joint venture). (sweden and china have copy paste for obvious reasons)

leo 1 was german, you can't make it italian with the heaviest of modifications. its a sad irl story that italy used german mbts or didn't accept their own into service and only created them to sell away. but that in game is not an issue because we have 3 of-40s in game already. in this br italy still has more to add to not have the need for a foreign modified tank to be around.

you don't see me say that for star fighter for example because despite it being american italy simpley can't find a substitute for it at mach 2 level and certainly native variants like S helps justify it further.

but not this. it makes italy look like a wimp at the current situation.

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5 minutes ago, Ruthless95 said:

no other nation in game is borrowing other nation's 7.0 to 9.0 MBTs/IFVs/wheeled TDs, because they all had their own (except mbt-70 which is not german nor american but mish mash of both and a joint venture). (sweden and china have copy paste for obvious reasons)

leo 1 was german, you can't make it italian with the heaviest of modifications. its a sad irl story that italy used german mbts or didn't accept their own into service and only created them to sell away. but that in game is not an issue because we have 3 of-40s in game already. in this br italy still has more to add to not have the need for a foreign modified tank to be around.

you don't see me say that for star fighter for example because despite it being american italy simpley can't find a substitute for it at mach 2 level and certainly native variants like S helps justify it further.

but not this. it makes italy look like a wimp at the current situation.

According to your reasoning, the Italian Tech Tree must not have other BR 7.3 / 7.7 tanks.

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I respect your opinion, and honestly I understand the fuss about people not wanting copy pastes in TT’s although it doesnt bother me, I do hope you acknowledge that this is a unique modification for the Leopard, which at least in my eyes shouldn’t be considered as a copy paste. 

1 hour ago, Ruthless95 said:

definitely not. never hopefully.

 

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7 minutes ago, mc205v said:

MBT, not light vehicles, that are killed with cal. 50

if it doesn't have anything native then no, it's not like it needs one. of-40 and m47/105 suffice for a line-up. that is if you don't want to touch any complementary vehicles like the thing i linked

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4 minutes ago, Ruthless95 said:

if it doesn't have anything native then no, it's not like it needs one. of-40 and m47/105 suffice for a line-up. that is if you don't want to touch any complementary vehicles like the thing i linked

2 MBTs are few to fight against T-54, T-55, T-62 and others.

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4 hours ago, mc205v said:

2 MBTs are few to fight against T-54, T-55, T-62 and others.

you know better than me there are ways around it. use back ups from warbond shop, use other type of vehicles, they can bring back M60 DC ariete, and if non of those are enough they can add american stuff italy had because it already has multiple u.s vehicles in it. the ERA version of M60 etc.

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6 hours ago, Ruthless95 said:

you know better than me there are ways around it. use back ups from warbond shop, use other type of vehicles, they can bring back M60 DC ariete, and if non of those are enough they can add american stuff italy had because it already has multiple u.s vehicles in it. the ERA version of M60 etc.

Then yours is only a prejudice towards the Leopard because it is "German".

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8 hours ago, corevino said:

It says that 1000 pieces were built under license but does not mean that it was only the leopard on 7.7, it was 5 regular versions or combat value upgrades and the a6 prototype or test models

Only thanks to the production of that quantity of Leopard (720 in the MBT version - Leopard1A2) which became the most important vehicle of the Italian Army of that period, laying the foundations for the revival of the design and production of tanks in Italy such as the OF-40, Centauro and C1 Ariete.

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Wow.  Uh.  Guys chill.  This and the OF-40 Thetis are both "easy" to do.  The models are basically done.  So, relax, both can come.  One as premium maybe.  

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15 minutes ago, spacesoldier117 said:

The more the merrier.

Is a single photo enough to model it tho?

I think I can spot an optic near the cannon but I'm not sure...

Well considering we've got the full optic pictures from the OF-40 Thetis, yeah, because the leopard is already in game so in all honesty the only thing they'd have to do is give it an italian skin and a model for the optic.

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