tournaments Ban SB controls/Mouse Joystick in Air RB tournaments

[Guest]

On 10/06/2020 at 05:45, Hardmoor said:

what stops anyone else from using MEC and MouseJoy? Isn't that MinMaxing the thing of tournaments?

If you are going to use simulator controls, use simulator controls in SB duels, not in Air RB duels. SB controls dont belong in RB duels. RB duels should be RB controls. 

 

For one, you have to switch between mouse aim, and mouse joystick. Mouse aim to get the shot on a player, then switch back to SB controls to exploit better turn. Sure, it is Min/Maxing , but it ruins the whole game play and techniques of vanilla Air RB dueling. There is already a foundation of techniques, and skills for Air RB dueling, that don't involve toggling between stupid simulator controls, and mouse aim. These sort of techniques should be left to Simulator dueling. People in Air RB don't toggle between virtual instructor controls, and non-virtual instructor controls.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

The guys vouching to keep simulator controls in Air RB dueling tournaments, are people that have no experience in dueling whatsoever. Its funny to see people giving opinions and arguing over things they know nothing about. 

 

All the guys vouching to ban simulator controls in Air RB dueling tournaments are experienced duelists that are literally in the top 50 in Air RB dueling tournaments. Listen to these people, not the self-proclaimed ace pilots on the forums that think they know everything about War Thunder.

https://tss.warthunder.com/index.php?action=rating

 

IMO, Air RB tournaments should force Virtual instructor, and should only be mouse aim. 

 

[DerGrafVonZahl 4,228]

On 12/09/2020 at 05:51, Buzz_Beurling_ said:

The guys vouching to keep simulator controls in Air RB dueling tournaments, are people that have no experience in dueling whatsoever. Its funny to see people giving opinions and arguing over things they know nothing about. 

 

All the guys vouching to ban simulator controls in Air RB dueling tournaments are experienced duelists that are literally in the top 50 in Air RB dueling tournaments. Listen to these people, not the self-proclaimed ace pilots on the forums that think they know everything about War Thunder.

https://tss.warthunder.com/index.php?action=rating

 

IMO, Air RB tournaments should force Virtual instructor, and should only be mouse aim. 

 

 

 

How would RB pilots, even RB master duelist know what simulator controls are?

 

Mouse joystick doesn't mean sim controls. There are 3 different kinds of mouse joystick, but only one is allowed in sim battles. 2 of these kinds actually use the instructor in a limited capacity (auto trim / aoa limiter). 

 

People talking about mouse joy as if there is only one mouse joy prettyuch show how clueless they are. 

 

It's not sim controls you want to ban because if you only ban sim controls the duelist can still use the other two mouse joy options. 

 

 

You are equating mouse joy with sim controls which is simply wrong. 

 

The three ways to play mouse joy are:

Mouse joy - simplified controls

Mouse joy - realistic controls

Mouse joy - full real controls. 

 

"mouse joy - full real controls" is the only control method of those three allowed in sim battles. So if you ban sim controls they will use one of the other two (most likely "mouse joy - realistic controls") 

 

I would bet they are using the "realistic controls" option atm anyway, because the only difference between full real and realistic is autotrim and both modes are as potent in a duel but thanks to autotrim "realistic" is more convenient to use. So banning sim controls won't change anything (it is even wrong to call them sim controls as they aren't used in sim). It is also why you rarely see these people in sim tournaments. If the controls are the same as in SB they could win twice the tournaments and get even more rewards... But somehow they don't. 

 

So technically the person not understanding war thunder is you. 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by DerGrafVonZahl

[Guest]

2 hours ago, DerGrafVonZahl said:

 

 

How would RB pilots, even RB master duelist know what simulator controls are?

 

Mouse joystick doesn't mean sim controls. There are 3 different kinds of mouse joystick, but only one is allowed in sim battles. 2 of these kinds actually use the instructor in a limited capacity (auto trim / aoa limiter). 

 

People talking about mouse joy as if there is only one mouse joy prettyuch show how clueless they are. 

 

It's not sim controls you want to ban because if you only ban sim controls the duelist can still use the other two mouse joy options. 

 

 

You are equating mouse joy with sim controls which is simply wrong. 

 

The three ways to play mouse joy are:

Mouse joy - simplified controls

Mouse joy - realistic controls

Mouse joy - full real controls. 

 

"mouse joy - full real controls" is the only control method of those three allowed in sim battles. So if you ban sim controls they will use one of the other two (most likely "mouse joy - realistic controls") 

 

I would bet they are using the "realistic controls" option atm anyway, because the only difference between full real and realistic is autotrim and both modes are as potent in a duel but thanks to autotrim "realistic" is more convenient to use. So banning sim controls won't change anything (it is even wrong to call them sim controls as they aren't used in sim). It is also why you rarely see these people in sim tournaments. If the controls are the same as in SB they could win twice the tournaments and get even more rewards... But somehow they don't. 

 

So technically the person not understanding war thunder is you. 

 

Everything you said, I know already, you aren't that special smarty poo. I am just not being specific in my post, because I am lazy as f**, and also couldn't care less about being specific.

 

Here I will be specific just for you sweety... In Air RB tournaments, it should be virtual flight instructor only. People can fly with joysticks in duels, whatever, however only with flight instructor enabled. There is already an option to force virtual flight instructor for tourneys, it needs to be enabled.

 

Also, a lot of people on this post that you are lecturing about Sim, will absolutely sh** on you in Simulator battles.

[DerGrafVonZahl 4,228]

Just now, Buzz_Beurling_ said:

Everything you said, I know already, you aren't that special smarty poo. I am just not being specific in my post, because I am lazy as f**, and also couldn't care less about being specific.

 

If you know this then be specific. Otherwise GJ will just ban SB controls and you gained nothing. 

 

Just now, Buzz_Beurling_ said:

Here I will be specific just for you sweety... In Air RB tournaments, it should be virtual flight instructor only. People can fly with joysticks in duels, whatever, however only with flight instructor enabled. There is already an option to force virtual flight instructor for tourneys, it needs to be enabled.

 

How can you write this if you know what i posted already?

Mouse-joy "full real controls" is the ONLY!!! control method without the virtual instructor.

 

If you only force virtual instructor, you still get:

Mouse joy - simplified controls

Mouse joy - realistic controls

 

Which is what those duelist use anyway. as there are no advantages of full real over real controls, only disadvantages. But the instructor is still there trimming the plane (i already stated that).

So when you only force virtual instructor to be enabled, then you won't get what you want.

 

Just now, Buzz_Beurling_ said:

Also, a lot of people on this post that you are lecturing about Sim, will absolutely sh** on you in Simulator battles.

 

 

that's why none of them have particularly good service records in SB... riiiiight. Using mouse aim Bombers maybe... But your little fit is beside the point. How the instructor and control methods work is not conditioned on who explains them. You can check the WT wiki that also explains the instructor

 

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Instructor/How_the_instructor_works

 

The instructor is only gone in Full real controls (the sim control method). Everything else would be allowed by just forcing an enabled instructor. So forcing the instructor wouldn't do anything to RB duels.

[Guest]

On 14/09/2020 at 06:32, DerGrafVonZahl said:

How can you write this if you know what i posted already?

Mouse-joy "full real controls" is the ONLY!!! control method without the virtual instructor.

 

If you only force virtual instructor, you still get:

Mouse joy - simplified controls

Mouse joy - realistic controls

 

Which is what those duelist use anyway. as there are no advantages of full real over real controls, only disadvantages. But the instructor is still there trimming the plane (i already stated that).

So when you only force virtual instructor to be enabled, then you won't get what you want.

 

Nope.

 

If you force the Virtual Instructor on, you are limited to 2 control methods, Mouse Aim and Simplified controls. You can't have Virtual Instructor on, while being on Realistic controls. Simplified controls doesn't provide an advantage to duelists in Air RB, since the Virtual Instructor prevents the player from doing sharp maneuvers. Virtual Instructor is what makes Air RB dueling its own experience from Simulator dueling, which is completely different in techniques etc. Realistic controls is without the Flight Instructor enabled, same with Full Real, but without Auto Trim disabled. So, you can stop acting like an Air SB elitist, you aren't better than everyone else just because you fly Sim. Many of us enjoy competitive dueling in Air RB, you don't have any business being here.

 

Virtual Instructor OFF with autotrim, is Realistic Controls. Thats the control method some duelists are abusing. Forcing VI is Mouse aim and Simplified controls. 

 

 

On 14/09/2020 at 06:32, DerGrafVonZahl said:

that's why none of them have particularly good service records in SB... riiiiight. Using mouse aim Bombers maybe... But your little fit is beside the point. How the instructor and control methods work is not conditioned on who explains them. You can check the WT wiki that also explains the instructor

I'm sorry, but you will get clapped by any of the Sim duelists in this post, that also vouch to force VI for Air RB duels.

 

I don't even know why you are here, I don't see your name on the leader boards, just a random war thunder forums warrior.

Edited September 17, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

On 14/09/2020 at 06:32, DerGrafVonZahl said:

 

If you know this then be specific. Otherwise GJ will just ban SB controls and you gained nothing. 

 

 

How can you write this if you know what i posted already?

Mouse-joy "full real controls" is the ONLY!!! control method without the virtual instructor.

 

If you only force virtual instructor, you still get:

Mouse joy - simplified controls

Mouse joy - realistic controls

 

Which is what those duelist use anyway. as there are no advantages of full real over real controls, only disadvantages. But the instructor is still there trimming the plane (i already stated that).

So when you only force virtual instructor to be enabled, then you won't get what you want.

 

 

 

that's why none of them have particularly good service records in SB... riiiiight. Using mouse aim Bombers maybe... But your little fit is beside the point. How the instructor and control methods work is not conditioned on who explains them. You can check the WT wiki that also explains the instructor

 

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Instructor/How_the_instructor_works

 

The instructor is only gone in Full real controls (the sim control method). Everything else would be allowed by just forcing an enabled instructor. So forcing the instructor wouldn't do anything to RB duels.

Lol no response? 

On 14/09/2020 at 06:32, DerGrafVonZahl said:

The instructor is only gone in Full real controls (the sim control method). Everything else would be allowed by just forcing an enabled instructor. So forcing the instructor wouldn't do anything to RB duels.

instructor is gone in Full real, and realistic controls. Simplified controls has virtual instructor, which makes it handy for testing turn performance in Air RB. Admit you are wrong dum dum

[ArhanghelGavriil 215]

DerGrafVonZahl, having an educated discussion with these animals is pointless.
They do not have decency nor diplomacy.
Since last month i started to fight on a regular basis in air arcade+ using full real controls.
Case is this > we have no chance against the gaijin A.I. steered by these obscene animals who like to call themselfs pilots.
In all the matches i-ve been, the constant insults from the top tier ab+ users poured over eveery.single.match. to the point i had to block all of them, or almost all ( Renamed,Gaber,WingA's illiterate members, just to name a few. ).

Besides, the advantage mouse aim gives is out of this world, they can do maneouvers that are simply impossible to pull with full real controls. ( like prophanging to eternity then Q'rudder their small thing in their underpants untill they get 90* somehow and shoot you down.

This poll is just another prove of their limited brain capacity, and, as you could have seen by how the discussion degenerated , very, very rude and uneducated human beings.
I am not the best sb pilot out there, but i-m for sure above average, never the less, i am unable to do anything against mouse aimers and their vertical maneouvers followed by spasmic pressings of Q and E's.

PS: this thread was started by mr. LegioFulminata, with his new nickname : i'm stuck stepbro, and his is a dedicated simulator pilot ( and actually abuses all sorts of overlays in rb and sb tournaments to gain performance ). ( yeah...the scum can be smelled from very very far away )

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by ARHANGHEL_MIHAIL

[DerGrafVonZahl 4,228]

2 hours ago, ARHANGHEL_MIHAIL said:

DerGrafVonZahl, having an educated discussion with these animals is pointless.
They do not have decency nor diplomacy.
Since last month i started to fight on a regular basis in air arcade+ using full real controls.
Case is this > we have no chance against the gaijin A.I. steered by these obscene animals who like to call themselfs pilots.
In all the matches i-ve been, the constant insults from the top tier ab+ users poured over eveery.single.match. to the point i had to block all of them, or almost all ( Renamed,Gaber,WingA's illiterate members, just to name a few. ).

 

 

Actually buzz had a point. While back when I remember the autotrim was part of the instructor... This no longer seems to be the case. It is clearly separated B the options and the wiki seems to be outdated. 

 

So yes realistic controls does indeed disable the instructor. It doesn't make it sim controls but it does remove the limitation on rudder authority. 

So while badly formulated as realistic controls are not sim controls, they do have a point since the change of the control options (a change I have missed completely) 

 

You actually can use a control method without the authority limitations and with autotrim. This indeed is an advantage in air RB tournaments, as the instructor has limited rudder authority. 

 

However the claim that these people are using sim controls remains wrong. 

 

 

2 hours ago, ARHANGHEL_MIHAIL said:

 

 

Besides, the advantage mouse aim gives is out of this world, they can do maneouvers that are simply impossible to pull with full real controls. ( like prophanging to eternity then Q'rudder their small thing in their underpants untill they get 90* somehow and shoot you down.

 

Well yes in terms of aiming. But with realistic control one is able to use the full rudder, which is impossible with mouse aim. 

 

 

2 hours ago, ARHANGHEL_MIHAIL said:

 

 

This poll is just another prove of their limited brain capacity, and, as you could have seen by how the discussion degenerated , very, very rude and uneducated human beings.
I am not the best sb pilot out there, but i-m for sure above average, never the less, i am unable to do anything against mouse aimers and their vertical maneouvers followed by spasmic pressings of Q and E's.

PS: this thread was started by mr. LegioFulminata, with his new nickname : i'm stuck stepbro, and his is a dedicated simulator pilot ( and actually abuses all sorts of overlays in rb and sb tournaments to gain performance ). ( yeah...the scum can be smelled from very very far away )

 

 

 

Yes the phrasing of this thread is completely off... This actually has nothing to do with sim controls as autotrim is disabled in sim. 

So they are wrong in that regard. 

 

And in the war thunder wiki it still states that autotrim is part of the instructor.. 

 But that has changed.... 

 

Autotrim is no longer part of the instructor. No idea when the change occurred but it did, but now you are indeed able to play without instructor but with oautotrim in RB. This is still forbidden in SB so calling it SB controls remains wrong and SB controls would not be an advantage in RB tournaments. "realistic controls" however are an advantage now... They are just mistakingly called sim controls here. 

[PlanetP 890]

On 25/04/2020 at 05:55, ImStuckStepBro_ said:

playing in SB controls is an advantage compared to people who use mouse aim

playing with computer assisted aim is always an advantage over players who use a joystick, also....but we've been asking for relief since mouse CAA came into being...

so they aren't going to change it for you guys either imo

aces.exe was always meant to be played with a joystick

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PlanetP said:

playing with computer assisted aim is always an advantage over players who use a joystick, also....but we've been asking for relief since mouse CAA came into being...

so they aren't going to change it for you guys either imo

aces.exe was always meant to be played with a joystick

This is for tournaments. You can toggle realistic controls in a air RB tournament which allows you to pull far tighter, than for those using mouse aim. This topic is for others like me, who play air rb tournaments that dislike this feature. 

[GiganticWeeaboo 43]

If you really want to get rid of sb controls in rb because it can give someone a '' advantage'' you should reconsider using your little overlay tool as well.
Both are aviable for everyone and provided by the game itself, so its pretty much the same right, legio ?