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The Vextra TML 105

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In the 1980s, the French Army launched a programme to develop a new vehicle based on the following military characteristics: The strategic mobility of a truck (100-120 kph), without generating nuisances such as noise or road degradation. These new vehicles of the VBM family were intended to accompany battle tanks, notably the Leclerc. High-level tactical mobility was therefore essential. In order to benefit from the full range of performance of its tyres, it was necessary to provide a centralised inflation device that allows the pressure to be quickly adjusted to the driving conditions and thus to descend with wheeled vehicles to ground pressures equivalent to those of a battle tank.

 

To meet these needs GIAT Industries launched the manufacturing of an experimental vehicle: the Vextra.

 

These reflections led to a vehicle with a height of about two metres and a width of three metres (maximum permitted for road transport without police escort). A lateral movement transmission (H-shaped) and the fact that only the front wheels are steered allowed sufficient interior volume to accommodate a maximum number of people or equipment. In order to allow a reduced turning radius (15-metre turn between walls), differential steering reproduces the skid steering effect of the tracks, which is added to the steering wheel system.

Released from the workshops in less than two years after the start of its development. Vextra testing started in March 7, 1994 :

it has achieved the objectives of maximum speed (120 km/h), cornering diameter (less than 15 metres between walls), acceleration, braking and passing.

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The Vextra was tested with the french made TML 105 turret (that war thunder fans are already well familirized with). The turret was actually made for the Vextra. The Giat TML 105 is a stabilized light 3-man turret armed with a 105 mm CN 105 G2 NATO standard low recoil gun. The gun is fitted with electrical aiming system, muzzle brake, fume extractor and thermal sleeve. Elevation is from -6 to +15 degrees. The stabilized gun can fire a range of standard NATO ammunition including APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot) rounds. Twelve rounds of ready to fire 105 mm ammunition are carried with 23 rounds stowed. Secondary armament on the turret is a coaxially mounted 7.62 mm machine gun.

 

The armoured vehicle is protected against 14.5 mm heavy machine gun rounds  (14.5mmx114 AP) and artillery splinters.

 

Vextra 105 is fitted with the Galix close defense system, which consists of four launchers for 80 mm rounds either side of the gun at the front of the vehicle and three on each side at the rear. Types of rounds include: instant smoke screen round (in the visible spectrum), instant wide area smoke round (in the visible and infrared spectrum), illumination round and infrared decoy round.

 

The gunner's station is fitted with the SAGEM Savan 15 three-axis stabilized sight. Savan 15 sensors include a dual field of view thermal imager, high resolution TV channel and laser rangefinder (eye safe if required) coupled with a digital fire control computer for sensor management and ballistic calculations.

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Designed for 2.5 km and above range of
firing with 90% first round hit probability
Day/night observation under all conditions
• Direct daytime optical channel with 2
magnifications (x2 and x10)
• Thermal imager: 3 to 5 μm or 8 to12 μm
with 2 magnifications and electronic zoom
• Optional CCD daylight camera with 2 fields
of view
Long range observation when stationary
or on-the-move
• 2-axis independently stabilized line of sight
(0.05 mrad)
Target engagement with high first-round
hit probability
Line-of-sight/line-of-fire position measurement
• Class of accuracy 0.1 mil
Automatic measurement of boresighting
variations (static MRS)
Target-tracking-rate measurement
• Class of accuracy 0.1 mil
• Target tracking assistance
Eye-safe target laser rangefinder
Automatic introduction of all parameters
(with manual backup)
• Real-time computation
• Accuracy 0.1 mil
Vertical reference on the move
Second-generation firing-gate management
Optional guided missile firing capability
Integrated GPS/inertial navigation optional
facility
Embedded auxiliary sight with stadimetric
and ammo ballistic scales

 

Source : Savan 15, Fire control system gunner's primary sight; SAGEM

 

 
The Vextra is powered by a Saab Scania diesel engine (260 DaN.m) of 650 hp (600-700 hp), which is located at the front of the hull, from the right-hand side.
 
Abstract :
Length: 8.56 m Width: 3.36 m Height: 3.45 m
Weight: 24.5 t. 27 t in "order of battle": 27 t. Payload: 6 t.
Engine: 1 SCANIA V-8 Diesel engine developing 650 hp (600-700 hp)
Maximum speed: 120 km/h Distance covered: 800 km
Gearbox: 7-speed automatic. Transmission: H-shaped.
Steering axles: 2 front axles. Central differential: controlled to reduce the turning radius.
Oleopneumatic suspension.
Crew: 4 men
 
With the introduction of the Radkampfwagen 90, the Roikat 105 and the  CV90 105 TML, there is absolutly no reason to not introduce the Vextra 105. The vehicule would greatly help the French lineup (Which really needs it).
 
Pictures :
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"In the middle of the desert, the vextra as outrun its hummer and 4 by 4 toyota escort"

 

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Open for discussion. :salute:

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Thanks @leroyonly :salute:

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Awesome vehicle, I love the look, it's perfect for filling the role of high-tier fast scout in the French tree.  +1 from me.

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3 hours ago, Wolf_89 said:

We have the turret. So now the need to make the chassis :) 

Turret should be a bit different though: thermal, panoramic sight is different and is more like the 10Rc

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Added info on the Savan 15, thanks to @Tantor57

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8 minutes ago, Arghail said:

I believe the Vextra has also been tested with a 120mm. Could make a nice variant, IMO.

 

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Looks like a proto leclerc turret.

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I think it lack the external, like, armor captor ...

But would have been a cool vehicule for sure

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It should however be pointed out that two versions of the TML 105 turret were mounted on the Vextra 105

 

1. The baseline model (1994), without gun stabilisation (featured on the CV90105) :

 

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2. The improved model (1997), with gun stabilisation :

 

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On 26/03/2020 at 14:11, Arghail said:

I believe the Vextra has also been tested with a 120mm. Could make a nice variant, IMO.

 

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It was only a testbed for the 120 POLE turret (derived from the T21 turret) and its 120 FER low-recoil 120 mm smoothbore gun fed by an bustle-mounted autoloader.

 

This prototype turret was entirely made of aluminium, the interior was mostly empty and lacked of fire control system.

 

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16 hours ago, Auto_tracking said:

It should however be pointed out that two versions of the TML 105 turret were mounted on the Vextra 105

 

1. The baseline model (1994), without gun stabilisation (featured on the CV90105) :

 

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2. The improved model (1997), with gun stabilisation :

 

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It was only a testbed for the 120 POLE turret (derived from the T21 turret) and its 120 FER low-recoil 120 mm smoothbore gun fed by an bustle-mounted autoloader.

 

This prototype turret was entirely made of aluminium, the interior was mostly empty and lacked of fire control system.

 

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are you saying the CV 90105 should't be stabilized ? have you sources on that ?

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I believe the first version of the TML 105 is using the SAVAN 11 first generation sights.

 

http://www.angelopodesta.com/documenti/09_SAVAN_11.pdf

 

This could explain the new horizontal optic system and the stabilisation. 

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I dont have proof but im trying to explain why everyone is saying it has stabilisation even though there's no SAVAN 15.

 

 

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On 02/04/2020 at 17:33, nxdefiant001 said:

I believe the first version of the TML 105 is using the SAVAN 11 first generation sights.

 

http://www.angelopodesta.com/documenti/09_SAVAN_11.pdf

 

The first iteration of the TML 105 turret mounted on the Vextra used the SOPTAC FCS/sight integrated inside the mantlet.

 

When the TML 105 was marketed, its main sales argument was its powerful G2 105 mm high-pressure gun, not the stabilisation, which was considered at that time as a future option (the TML 105 has been developed in three phases).

 

On 02/04/2020 at 17:33, nxdefiant001 said:

This could explain the new horizontal optic system

 

Are you referring to the two roof-mounted M336 day periscopes which are behind the mantlet ?

 

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I asked the guy from Nexter who had done the video on youtube and he sent me this link:
http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/19452-vextra-véhicule-blindé-modulaire/

I know it's not much more than what we already have here but it's better than nothing.

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4 hours ago, Kasukaru said:

I asked the guy from Nexter who had done the video on youtube and he sent me this link:
http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/19452-vextra-véhicule-blindé-modulaire/

I know it's not much more than what we already have here but it's better than nothing.

That's where I saw the video first actually :D

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On 10/05/2020 at 15:48, Kasukaru said:

http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/19452-vextra-véhicule-blindé-modulaire/

I know it's not much more than what we already have here but it's better than nothing.

 

Rescator, who is highly knowledgable about French AFVs development, confirmed my assumptions.

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