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T-80U and predecessors not actually having Thermal sights


i've seen on many sources that the T-80U and it's predecessors not having Thermal gun sights just passive and active infrared sights (night vision).

in some of the sources it says that the T-80UK has Thermal gun sights but that's not the T-80U the T-80UK is a command tank version of the T-80U and doesn't exist in the game. so i would like gaijin to remove the Thermal sights from the T-80U and it's predecessors

 

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https://www.army-technology.com/projects/t80/

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/MBT/t-80.html

 

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T-80Bs had them experimentally 

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T-80Us were kinda an export thing. I'm not sure if the MoD purchased them. They might have bought the sights in small batches. 

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Even if they didn't they'll probably be outfitted with Thermal optics because over the past year I believe, I've seen some articles talking about Russia reactivating the T-80 tank for service. Not entirely sure if thats true though because I don't live in Russia, nor do I know much if anything about the Russian Military.

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43 minutes ago, MPRA2 said:

I've seen some articles talking about Russia reactivating the T-80 tank for service.

AFAIK, they never left service.

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12 hours ago, SNEEKESNAKE said:

i would like gaijin to remove the Thermal sights from the T-80U and it's predecessors

Well that won't be balanced against the other vehicles at that br. Also the T-80U has one of the lowest resolution thermal scopes so it's not great to begin with

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On 08/12/2019 at 03:44, tbhoop said:

Well that won't be balanced against the other vehicles at that br. Also the T-80U has one of the lowest resolution thermal scopes so it's not great to begin with

Well if they remove it's thermals they can downtier it to 10.0, where it honestly should be anyway.

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1 hour ago, strv122 said:

i mean the t80b has better armour and gun than both m1 and m1ip(m1ip has almost same turret armour as t80b)

The days of the T-80B having armor died when it got volumetric armor. Now literally anything 9.0 and up punch right through anywhere on it's UFP.

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On 07/12/2019 at 16:13, WulfPack said:

T-80Bs had them experimentally 

wshowp.htm?p=3325&id=206969

 

If this is the T-80B with the thermal sights, then that means I believe the T-80B in game is the incorrect version completely to have them.

 

So here me out:

There was the T-80B in 1978, and in 1983 there was the +16mm high hardness RHA plate added, as known. 

However, the version in game is neither of these.

In 1985, there was the T-80BV, which was similar to the T-64BV: the T-80BV redesigned the frontal plate, and made a 5-layer RHA-textolite-RHA-textolite-RHA plate, that was slightly superior to the T-64B obr. 1984 (in fact, I believe it is the same as the T-80U, except at the time as the BV, it was kontakt-1 ERA of course).

 

But the T-80B in game is not this either, it has a 3-layer plate like the T-80B 1976.

Because the T-80B in game, I believe is some obscure 1985 variant - it is the T-80B, but, upgraded to T-80BV standards.  This is because ripping out the plate is simply not practical, so what they would do is take the older T-80Bs, and add a bigger 30mm high hardness RHA plate, then add ERA.  Instant cheapo T-80BV.

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T-80B from devblog, notice the cutout plate, which in game if you check, is 30mm, not 16mm.

And a T-80B modernized, with a 30mm hhRHA plate.

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From the, beefier look on the welds, this is not the 16mm plate installed on many tanks in 1983, but a 30mm plate to upgrade to T-80BV standards.

 

So if it had it experimentally, I say remove it from the game, on the current T-80B.  Because the current T-80B is the incorrect version if this is it, and it is experimental of course, so I don't think an experimental module should be on a production tank.  Perhaps it should be a seperate tank, from the image it looks more like the raw 1978 version, because it does not have a hhRHA plate installed.  Maybe even a possible premium maybe in the future?  In total honesty, I would give up the thermals and let it be a premium, because it is unhistorically accurate to be on the present T-80B.

 

 

On 07/12/2019 at 16:00, SNEEKESNAKE said:

i've seen on many sources that the T-80U and it's predecessors not having Thermal gun sights just passive and active infrared sights (night vision).

in some of the sources it says that the T-80UK has Thermal gun sights but that's not the T-80U the T-80UK is a command tank version of the T-80U and doesn't exist in the game. so i would like gaijin to remove the Thermal sights from the T-80U and it's predecessors

 

 

As for the T-80U, it did not have them, but I do believe what I heard - I am not 100% sure - I think the T-80U in game is modeled off of a T-80U Sweden used for testing.  I am unsure of this, but they tested a few T-80Us, and rejected them.

 

However, I believe they were T-80UM variants, Sweden tested I think.  If so, which it should be accurate for the T-80UM I believe, I think instead of removing them, the current in game tank should be renamed T-80UM.  And perhaps in the future, we could have the 'base T-80U variants' of the cold war, as separate tanks with, if there was more br decompression, perhaps varying BRs.

 

But it should be the correct version, so if it is really the T-80UM, then it should be called the T-80UM I believe.

 

This is my thoughts at least on the matter.  I just want the vehicles to be accurate.  Especially being one of my favorite tanks.

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:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:...... T-80U DOES HAVE THERMAL SIGHT ..... so cut the nonsense off and educate yourself or at the very least read the forums before opening a topic about something that has been adressed at least a dozen of times !

 

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As you can see both gunner and commander stations are equiped with  screens for the thermal sight ..... END OF DISCUSSION !

 

 

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20 hours ago, Raldi92 said:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:...... T-80U DOES HAVE THERMAL SIGHT ..... so cut the nonsense off and educate yourself or at the very least read the forums before opening a topic about something that has been adressed at least a dozen of times !

 

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As you can see both gunner and commander stations are equiped with  screens for the thermal sight ..... END OF DISCUSSION !

 

 

You know there are like, half a dozen T-80U variants easily, right?

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2 hours ago, kamikazi21358 said:

You know there are like, half a dozen T-80U variants easily, right?

 

Half a dozen T-80U variants ''EASILY'' ?????????    Hold on , you certainly aren't calling  T-80UK , T-80UD , T-80UE-1 and T-80UA  variants of T-80U are you now :lol2::facepalm:

 

Just for your education T-80U is a standalone variant of the T-80 all those models are members of the T-80 branch , for instance T-80UE-1 is a modernization offered to T-80BVs .

 

Regardless , to which i reply  by : no joke sherlock now tell me what's your  point ?  Unless you somehow missed it the document i provided talks about the T-80U not T-80UK , not T-80UD etc etc .

 

So what you are trying to imply here is that Steven Zaloga the ''author'' of the document i provided can't make the difference between a T-80U and the other T-80 variants ???:lol2::facepalm:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thodin said:

The soviet Red Army T-80U is the one we got ingame. Just take notice of the soviet flag on that unit card. T-80U in service of the Red Army had no termal devices. 

 

*Facepalm*

 

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If only there was like, some sort of researchable module that would turn the vehicle into a different variant.

 

Certainly makes the mind wonder...

 

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USSR T-80U

Gunner: IR Scope type TPN-4 Buran-PA; Range up to 1300m at night time.

 

Commander: Rotating cupola with five daytime angle mirrors. Stabilized persicope TKN-4S (1 day and 1 passive IR channel). 

 

 

 

-> No thermal imaging 

 

If certain different T-80 versions from USSR successor states like the Russian Federation got thermal imagers by default, this particular T-80 versions first need to be introduced to War Thunder. Using the correct unit designation and national flag on their unit card.

 

Right now the unit card precisely refers to the T-80B and T-80U of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. They didn't had this kind of equipment for their frontline tanks. The thermal imagers from T-80B and T-80U need to be removed asap.

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On 07/09/2020 at 04:46, Raldi92 said:

 

Half a dozen T-80U variants ''EASILY'' ?????????    Hold on , you certainly aren't calling  T-80UK , T-80UD , T-80UE-1 and T-80UA  variants of T-80U are you now :lol2::facepalm:

 

Just for your education T-80U is a standalone variant of the T-80 all those models are members of the T-80 branch , for instance T-80UE-1 is a modernization offered to T-80BVs .

 

Regardless , to which i reply  by : no joke sherlock now tell me what's your  point ?  Unless you somehow missed it the document i provided talks about the T-80U not T-80UK , not T-80UD etc etc .

 

So what you are trying to imply here is that Steven Zaloga the ''author'' of the document i provided can't make the difference between a T-80U and the other T-80 variants ???:lol2::facepalm:

 

 

 

In 1992, some T-80Us started receiving the Agava-2 thermal imager, though not in large amounts because industry delayed the supplies.  The images produced by the divice are displayed on a TV-set type screen in the fighting compartment.  The developers of the system were awarded the Kotin Prize for their system.  In addition to that the new assembled tanks were equipped with R-163-50U radio sets.  With all additions and upgrades the vehicle recieved the designation T-80UM.

 

Baryatinskiy, Mikhail. MAIN BATTLE TANK T-80. Russian Armour ed., vol. 3, Ian Allen Publishing, 2007.

 

 

On 07/09/2020 at 05:28, Thodin said:

The soviet Red Army T-80U is the one we got ingame. Just take notice of the soviet flag on that unit card. T-80U in service of the Red Army had no termal devices. 

Correct, the T-80Us that got thermal imaging were T-80UKs and post cold war variants.

 

 

On 07/09/2020 at 14:02, Ne_Dam_Pare said:

Another bizarre topic whose real title should be: "Let's all cry bias and fckover not-NATO tech branch."

 

it's not even funny anymore, it's hopelessly pathetic

 

I have suggested 6 T-80 variants on the WT moderated suggestions so far.  I have up to the T-80U main battle tank.  After they announced the Leopard 1 coming to the game, and the IT-1 and eventually T-62 came, I abandoned the German line and went strait up the Soviet line, hoping perhaps one day the T-80 would be a tank in game.

 

I don't want soviets to be bad.  I just want my favorite tank to be accurate.  And the version we have in game is not the Soviet T-80.  It is the Federation's T-80UM version, one of the many post cold war T-80U variants.

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59 minutes ago, kamikazi21358 said:

 

In 1992, some T-80Us started receiving the Agava-2 thermal imager, though not in large amounts because industry delayed the supplies.  The images produced by the divice are displayed on a TV-set type screen in the fighting compartment.  The developers of the system were awarded the Kotin Prize for their system.  In addition to that the new assembled tanks were equipped with R-163-50U radio sets.  With all additions and upgrades the vehicle recieved the designation T-80UM.

 

Baryatinskiy, Mikhail. MAIN BATTLE TANK T-80. Russian Armour ed., vol. 3, Ian Allen Publishing, 2007.

 

 

Exactly. The T-80U, tagged with USSR flag, is the one ingame. The USSR ceased to exist in 1991. The Russian Federation as successor started to equip some T-80's with thermals. Along with some other upgrades they became known as Russian T-80UM's.

 

Ingame, USSR T-80U and T-80B need to lose their thermal devices. Then there could be a new T-80 UM tank under the RUSSIAN flag, if thermals are that important ...

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32 minutes ago, Thodin said:

Ingame, USSR T-80U and T-80B need to lose their thermal devices. Then there could be a new T-80 UM tank under the RUSSIAN flag, if thermals are that important ...

Or alternatively, unlocking thermals just changes the statcard flag to the Russian Federation one, that way people won't start screeching about Russia getting more MBTs...

And that could also be done much quicker than adding two new vehicles.

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On 18/09/2020 at 11:00, Thodin said:

 

Exactly. The T-80U, tagged with USSR flag, is the one ingame. The USSR ceased to exist in 1991. The Russian Federation as successor started to equip some T-80's with thermals. Along with some other upgrades they became known as Russian T-80UM's.

 

Ingame, USSR T-80U and T-80B need to lose their thermal devices. Then there could be a new T-80 UM tank under the RUSSIAN flag, if thermals are that important ...

 

On 18/09/2020 at 11:34, TenPoundsOfSalt said:

Or alternatively, unlocking thermals just changes the statcard flag to the Russian Federation one, that way people won't start screeching about Russia getting more MBTs...

And that could also be done much quicker than adding two new vehicles.

I agree with either of these, although if the stat card is changed, it should be renamed to T-80UM and fix accordingly to fit the T-80UM model.  Perhaps in the future, then we could have earlier T-80U variants and more as a result.

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Thermals are expensive so were not widely fielded by the Soviets due to lack of perceived necessity, they were available as an upgrade though as they are ingame, perhaps one of the few tanks that should have it as a module to unlock (rather than artificially nerfed at stock).

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