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KV-1 Model 1942 (Welded Turret): Effectively the Same

KV-1 (1942)  

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  1. 1. Should the KV-1 (1942) (Welded Turret) be implemented?

    • Yes, in the tech tree
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    • Yes, as a premium (please explain)
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    • Yes, as a gift/rare (please explain)
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    • No (please explain)
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The KV-1 Model 1942 with the original welded turret was the other type of KV-1 Model 1942 produced. It kept the heavily armored and boxy welded turret found on older models of the KV-1, including the KV-1 (ZiS-5) (itself a late Model 1941), as opposed to the new cast turret which featured rounded edges.

 

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This tank may not be 100% correct to the suggestion, but is visually close.

 

This KV-1 would be functionally the same as the KV-1 Model 1941 already in-game. Their Battle Ratings would thus be the same.

 

OVERVIEW

Compared with the KV-1 in-game, the only real difference is the new rear armor design.

Images

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This image of KV-1s on the production lines shows the varying turret builds, as well as the new rear armor plate design.

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A destroyed Model 1942, shot in the turret rear. Again, the new rear hull can be seen.

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An abandoned Model 1942.

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THe rear plate on this vehicle is hard to see, but the more angular shape of the new plate can be seen.

 

HISTORY

 

Copy-pasted from my other KV-1 Model 1942 suggestion.

 

The KV-1 first entered service in 1939 as a prototype. The Model 1939, armed with the L-11 gun and with 75 mm thick armor, proved to be the best of the 3 prototypes sent into the Winter War against Finland, beating out the T-100 and it's own big brother, the SMK. As such, the new KV-1 was put into production as the USSR's new heavy breakthrough tank, replacing the T-26 and T-35, and to an extent the T-28. At the same time, the T-34 was still being brushed up.

 

Before the KV-1 even saw its first mass-service, plans were already made for its upgrade. The L-11 gun was known to have lackluster anti-armor firepower, and the drivetrain was unreliable at best. So, not long after Model 1939 production began in 1940, the Model 1940 was created, being re-armed with the F-32 gun. It also received extra 25 mm plates welded to the front and upper sides of the hull. It was an improvement, but still not perfect, and the mobility problems still weren't solved. At the same time, the T-34 had just been approved for production, itself being armed with the L-11 but soon to be converted to the F-34. 

 

Later once again, after the T-34 had received the F-34 gun in January 1941, the KV-1 was re-armed. It was fitted with a special variant of the F-34, the ZiS-5, and created the Model 1941. A few other minor tweaks and improvements were made to the drive train, but the issues of being overweight and unreliable were still present. 

 

When war broke out in June, the KV-1's armor proved to be quite the tough nut to crack. It seemed the only guns which could reliably destroy the KV-1 were the 88 mm anti-aircraft guns, and the often overlooked 105 mm field howitzers. In response, the Soviets made two types of upgrades to the existing KV-1 tanks: Model 1940 tanks were fitted with extra turret armor, creating the KV-1E, while Model 1941 tanks were produced with a new turret with thicker armor, creating the KV-1 (ZiS-5) that we see in War Thunder. The turrets on the new Model 1941 tanks were 90 mm thick. It was also at this time that the cast turrets began production, being 90 to 100 mm thick, depending on the production. The cast-turreted tanks were otherwise identical to the standard welded turret tanks.

 

By now, the T-34 had also proven its worth. For much less cost, the T-34 offered the same firepower, more mobility, and, in some cases, comparable armor. The KV-1 was outclassed. To add insult to injury, the tank was still plagued with many issues, such as unreliability, heaviness, and poor mobility. Excluding some of the wild prototypes created around the time, the solution to simplifying and lightening the KV-1 was created. Or so it seemed.

 

In spring or summer 1942, the KV-1 Model 1942 was first introduced. It was mostly the same as the Model 1941, except the rear hull was simplified and new, lighter road wheels were introduced. Even with these improvements, the KV-1 still was far from being competitive with the T-34. 

 

The other plan to save the KV-1 would be the KV-1S. It reversed the changes from the previous years, by reducing the armor. It received a new turret with a cupola, and a new planetary transmission. Overall, the tank became lighter and more reliable, but even this wouldn't save the KV-1. The KV-1S replaced the KV-1 in full by early 1943, but was itself cancelled later that same year.

 

STATISTICS

Crew

5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader, Radio Operator)

Length

6.75 m

Width

3.32 m

Height

2.71 m

Ground Clearance

0.45 m

Weight

47.0 t (+/- 1.0 t)

Ground Pressure

0.77 kg/cm2

Engine

V-2K V12 diesel
600 hp at 1800 rpm

Power-to-Weight Ratio

12.8 hp/t

Transmission

5 forward, 1 reverse

Speed

34 km/h (road), 16 km/h (cross-country)

Fuel

[Unknown] L

Range

180 km (road), 120 km (cross-country)

Wall-Climbing

[Unknown] m

Trench-Crossing

2.70 m

Max Gradient

70%

Max Fording Depth

1.6 m

Armor

Hull:

 75+25 mm front

 75 (+25) mm sides

 70 mm rear

 30 mm roof

 40 mm floor (front)

 30 mm floor (rear)

Turret:

 90 mm front

 90 mm sides

 90 mm rear

 40 mm roof

Smoke

None

Armament

1x ZiS-5

3x DT

Primary

76,2 mm ZiS-5 (114 Rounds)

Elevation: Manual, -6 to +20°

Traverse: Powered, 360°, 7°/s

Secondary

7,62 mm DT x3 (3074 Rounds)

Coaxial:

Traverse: Same as primary armament

Elevation: Same as primary armament

Hull:

 Traverse: Manual

 Elevation: Manual

Rear:
 Traverse: Manual

 Elevation: Manual

 

 

SOURCES

1 - KV-1 & 2 Heavy Tanks 1939-1945 by Steven Zalova, Jim Kinnear, and Peter Sarson

2 - Russian Tanks of World War II - Stalin's Armoured Might by Tim Bean and Will Fowler

3 -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank

4 -  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/КВ-1

5 -  https://erenow.net/ww/russian-armour-in-the-second-world-war/4.php

6 -  https://www.tankarchives.blogspot.com/2017/12/less-armour-more-mobility.html?m=1

7 -   https://www.tankarchives.blogspot.com/2018/03/kv-1s-from-temporary-to-permanent.html?m=1

8 -  https://www.tankarchives.blogspot.com/2015/07/kv-on-diet.html?m=1

9 -  https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/TANKS7.htm

 

My other KV-1 Model 1942 suggestion, with the cast turret

 

Edited by kleinerPanzer
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Open for discussion. :salute:

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+1

 

I like how you have made so many suggestions for different models and subvariants of these tanks like the T-34 and more, I like to thank you for these as I love the aspect of having all the different models and sub variants as options, for all nations.

 

 

I also kind of want to leave this suggestion here too,

if we do get all these variants, consider how many vehicles will be an option to take.  Although ‘taking all the vehicles’ is not required, nor do you on average use more than 5 vehicles a battle, but I think for the people who want his as an option, I think having more than 10 (the maximum) crew slots that are allowed currently would be beneficial for those who want diverse lineups, or say want historical lineups for events and such.  As take into considering the current 3.7-4.3/7 range if we get all these vehicles: multiple T-34/76s suggestions (1941/1942, 1943 early, 1943, 1942 in game and 34-57 in game), multiple KV-1 suggestions (1939 to the 1942 here, plus this welded turret version, plus the KV-2 and KV-1S in game), there isn’t a need to bring all of them at once but right here is probably a dozen options — before considering the other soviet tanks here like the tank destroyers, SPAAs, and CAS — I think players should be allowed to purchase more than 10 slots if they wish.  If these were hypothetically in game, there would be a very considerable number of vehicles, and (for those interested), this might help design more diverse lineups for all 3 gamemodes and of course events.

 

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