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I will present  my suggestion idea about the Battle of Budapest.

This Map idea is perfect,because during the world war in the cities was huge and bloody battles , this siege was the second biggest siege of the WW2 , after the world war , in 1956 Oct. 23 here was the Hungarian revolution so its perfect for  World War  Ground and Air battles , Cold War Era Ground battles. 

 


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The Siege of Budapest was the second biggest siege of the World War 2 . 

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Hungary: 38,000 men (ration strength)

489 guns

125 tanks and assault guns

117 heavy anti-tank guns 

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Russian army:

177,000 men

1,000 guns

 

The Siege of Budapest or Battle of Budapest was the 50-day-long encirclement by Soviet forces of the Hungarian capital of Budapest, near the end of World War II.

Part of the broader Budapest Offensive, the siege began when Budapest, defended by Hungarian and German troops, was first encircled on 26 December 1944 by the Red Army and the Romanian Army. During the siege, about 38,000 civilians died through starvation or military action. The city unconditionally surrendered on 13 February 1945. It was a strategic victory for the Allies in their push towards Berlin.

Having suffered nearly 200,000 deaths in three years fighting the Soviet Union, and with the front lines approaching its own cities, Hungary was by early 1944 ready to exit World War II. As political forces within Hungary pushed for an end to the fighting, Germany preemptively launched Operation Margarethe on 19 March 1944, and entered Hungary.16956432980_8866988b5f_b.jpg.7893929fe9b

In October 1944, after successive Allied victories at Normandy and Falaise, and after the collapse of the Eastern Front following the stunning success of the Soviet summer offensive, Operation Bagration, Regent of Hungary Miklós Horthy again attempted to negotiate a separate peace with the Allies.

Upon hearing of Horthy's efforts, Hitler launched Operation Panzerfaust to keep Hungary on the Axis side, and forced Horthy to abdicate. Horthy and his government were replaced by "Hungarist" Ferenc Szálasi, led by the far-right National Socialist Arrow Cross Party.

As the new right-wing government and its German allies prepared the defense of the capital, IX SS Mountain Corps, consisting of two Waffen-SS divisions, was sent to Budapest to strengthen the city's defense.

The besieging Soviet forces were part of Rodion Malinovsky's 2nd Ukrainian Front. Formations that actually took part in the fighting appear to have included the 53rd Army, 7th Guards Army, portions of the 3rd Ukrainian Front, including the 46th Army, and the Romanian 7th Army Corps.

Arrayed against the Soviets was a collection of German Army (Heer), Waffen-SS and Hungarian Army forces.a26da7788c4a93a59d8a8c46ff97f30a.jpg.799

The Siege of Budapest was one of the bloodiest sieges of World War II.

Encirclement of Budapest

A counterattack of Soviet infantry and tanks of the 18th tank corps

The Red Army started its offensive against the city on 29 October 1944. More than 1,000,000 men, split into two operating maneuver groups, advanced. The plan was to isolate Budapest from the rest of the German and Hungarian forces. On 7 November 1944, Soviet and Romanian troops entered the eastern suburbs, 20 kilometers from the old town.

The Red Army, after a much-needed pause in hostilities, resumed its offensive on 19 December. On 26 December, a road linking Budapest to Vienna was seized by Soviet troops, thereby completing the encirclement. The nazi "Leader of the Nation" (Nemzetvezető), Ferenc Szálasi, had already fled on 9 December

As a result of the Soviet link-up, nearly 33,000 German and 37,000 Hungarian soldiers, as well as over 800,000 civilians, became trapped within the city.

Refusing to authorize a withdrawal, Adolf Hitler had declared Budapest a fortress city (Festung Budapest), which was to be defended to the last man.

Waffen SS General Karl Pfeffer-Wildenbruch, the commander of the IX Waffen SS Alpine Corps, was put in charge of the city's defenses.

Budapest was a major target for Joseph Stalin. The Yalta Conference was approaching, and Stalin wanted to display his full strength to Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Ro9d5bccd2e37f0b87192ebda598b01748.jpg.7ffosevelt. He therefore ordered General Rodion Malinovsky to seize the city without delay.

 

 

During the night of 28 December 1944, the 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian Front contacted the besieged Germans by radios and loudspeakers, and told them about a negotiation for the city's capitulation.

The Soviets promised to provide humane surrender conditions and not to mistreat the German and Hungarian prisoners. They also promised that the emissaries' groups would not bring weapons and would appear in cars with white flags.

The next day, two groups of Soviet emissaries appeared as expected. The first, belonging to the 3rd Ukrainian Front, arrived at 10:00 AM in the Budafok sector and was taken to the headquarters of General Wildenbruch.

Their negotiating effort was a failure; Wildenbruch refused the surrender conditions and sent the Soviet agents back to the battlefield.

While the emissaries were en route to their camps, the Germans suddenly opened fire, killing Captain I. A. Ostapenko. Lieutenant N. F. Orlov and Sergeant Ye. T. Gorbatyuk quickly jumped into a trench and narrowly escaped.

Owing to heavy German fire, the Soviets were not able to retrieve Ostapenko's body until the night of 29 December. He was buried at Budafok with full military honors.

The second group of emissaries belonged to the 2nd Ukrainian Front and arrived at 11:00 AM in the Kispest sector. When the emissaries arrived, the German garrison fired at them. The leader of the emissaries, Captain Miklós Steinmetz, appealed for a negotiation, but to no avail. He was killed together with his two subordinates when the German fire struck the Soviet car.

First German relief attempt

The Soviet offensive began in the eastern suburbs, advancing through Pest, making good use of the large central avenues to speed up their progress. The German and Hungarian defenders, overwhelmed, tried to trade space for time to slow down the Soviet advance. They ultimately withdrew to shorten their lines, hoping to take advantage of the hilly nature of Buda.

In January 1945, the Germans launched a three-part counter-offensive codenamed Operation Konrad.

This was a joint German-Hungarian effort to relieve the encircled garrison of Budapest.

Operation Konrad I was launched on 1 January. The German IV SS Panzer Corps attacked from Tata through hilly terrain north-west of Budapest in an effort to break the siege. On 3 January, the Soviet command sent four more divisions to meet the threat. This Soviet action stopped the offensive near Bicske, less than 20 kilometers west of Budapest.

The Germans were forced to withdraw on 12 January.

They then launched Operation Konrad II on 7 January.

The IV SS Panzer Corps attacked from Esztergom toward Budapest Airport in an attempt to capture it and improve ability to supply the city by air. This offensive was halted near the airport.a3fa9f353f970c8f9ac7a876d06c1991.jpg.ad8

 

 

Combat in the city

Meanwhile, urban warfare in Budapest increased in intensity.

Re-supply became a decisive factor because of the loss of the Ferihegy airport on 27 December 1944, just before the start of the siege.

Until 9 January 1945, German troops were able to use some of the main avenues as well as the park next to Buda Castle as landing zones for planes and gliders, although they were under constant artillery fire from the Soviets. Before the Danube froze, some supplies could be sent on barges, under the cover of darkness and fog.

Nevertheless, food shortages were more and more common and soldiers had to rely on finding their own sources of sustenance, some even resorting to eating their own horses. The extreme temperatures also affected German and Hungarian troops.

Soviet troops quickly found themselves in the same situation as the Germans had in Stalingrad. Their men were nonetheless able to take advantage of the urban terra1c85cef058e5248a2f703a3210afc7f.thumb.jain by relying heavily on snipers and sappers to advance. Fighting broke out in the sewers, as both sides used them for troop movements. Six Soviet marines even managed to get to Castle Hill and capture a German officer before returning to their own lines – still underground. But such feats were rare because of ambushes in the sewers set up by the Axis troops using local inhabitants as guides.

In mid-January, Csepel Island was taken, along with its military factories, which were still producing Panzerfausts and shells, even under Soviet fire. Meanwhile, in Pest, the situatidownload.jpg.3f4536b49c49f61a1a7af2deb46on for the Axis forces deteriorated, with the garrison facing the risk of being cut in half by the advancing Soviet troops.

On 17 January 1945, Hitler agreed to withdraw the remaining troops from Pest to try to defend Buda. All five bridges spanning the Danube were clogged with traffic, evacuating troops and civilians. German troops destroyed the bridges 18 January, despite protests from Hungarian officers. One of them was the famous Chain Bridge, dating from 1849.

Second German relief attempt

On 18 January 1945, the IV SS Panzer Corps, whose relocation to the region north-east of Lake Balaton had been completed on the previous day, was again thrown into battle. This was Operation Konrad III. In two days the Germans tanks reached the Danube at Dunapentele, tearing the Soviet Transdanubian front apart, and by 26 January the offensive had reached a point roughly 25 kilometers from the ring around the capital.

Stalin ordered his troops to hold their ground at all costs, and two Army Corps that were dispatched to assault Budapest were hastily moved to the south of the city to counter the German offensive. Nevertheless, German troops who got to less than 20 kilometres from the city were unable to maintain their impetus due to fatigue and supply problems. Budapest's defenders asked permission to leave the city and escape the encirclement. Hitler refused.

German troops could no longer hold their ground; they were forced to withdraw on 28 January 1945, and to abandon much of the occupied territory with the notable exception of Székesfehérvár. The fate of the defenders of Budapest was sealed.

Budapest assault group (January 21, 1945)

The Battle for Buda

Unlike Pest, which is built on flat terrain, Buda is built on hills. This allowed the defenders to site artillery and fortifications above the attackers, greatly slowing the Soviet advance2141287674_download(1).jpg.956a1839c3fd5. The main citadel, (Gellért Hill), was defended by Waffen-SS troops who successfully repelled several Soviet assaults. Nearby, Soviet and German forces were fighting for the city cemetery amongst shell-opened tombs; it would last for several days.

The fighting on Margaret Island, in the middle of the Danube, was particularly merciless. The island was still attached to the rest of the city by the remaining half of the Margaret Bridge and was used as a parachute drop zone as well as for covering improvised airstrips set up in the city center. Theimages.jpg 25th Guards Rifle Division operated from the Soviet side in combat on the island (for losses see below).

On 11 February 1945, Gellért Hill finally fell after six weeks of fighting when the Soviets launched a heavy attack from three directions simultaneously. Soviet artillery was able to dominate the entire city and to shell the remaining Axis defenders, who were concentrated in less than two square kilometres and suffering from malnutrition and disease.

Despite the lack of supplies, the Axis troops refused to surrender and defended every street and house. By this time, some captured Hungarian soldiers defected and fought on the Soviet side. They were known collectively as the "Volunteer Regiment of Buda".

After capturing the southern railway station during a two-day bloodbath, Soviet troops advanced to Castle Hill. On 10 February, after a violent assault, Soviet marines established a bridgehead on Castle Hill, while almost cutting the remaining garrison in half.

The End

Hitler still forbade the German commander, Pfeffer-Wildenbruch, to abandon Budapest or to attempt a breakout. But the glider flights (DFS 230) bringing in supplies had ended a few days earlier and parachute drops had also been discontinued.

In desperation, Pfeffer-Wildenbruch decided to lead the remnants of his troops out of Budapest. The German commander did not typically consult the Hungarian commander of the city. However, Pfeffer-Wildenbruch now uncharacteristically included General Iván Hindy in this last desperate breakout attempt.6038491150_b0af08f986_b.thumb.jpg.40af20

On the night of 11 February, some 28,000 German and Hungarian troops began to stream north-westwards away from Castle Hill. They moved in three waves. Thousands of civilians were with each wave. Entire families, pushing prams, trudged through the snow and ice. Unfortunately for the would-be escapees, the Soviets awaited them in prepared positions around the Széll Kálmán tér area.

Troops, along with the civilians, used heavy fog to their advantage. The first wave managed to surprise the waiting Soviet soldiers and artillery; their sheer numbers allowed many to escape. The second and third waves were less fortunate. Soviet artillery and rocket batteries bracketed the escape area, with deadly results that killed thousands. Despite heavy losses, five to ten thousand people managed to reach the wooded hills northwest of Budapest and escape towards Vienna, but only 600–700 German soldiers reached the main

German lines from Budapest

The majority of the escapees were killed, wounded, or captured by the Soviet troops. Pfeffer-Wildenbruch and Hindy were captured by waiting Soviet troops as they emerged from an underground tunnel running from the Castle District.

 

1956 Revolution

The Hungarian Revolution of 1956, or Hungarian Uprising of 1956[5] (Hungarian: 1956-os forradalom or 1956-os felkelés), was a nationwide revolt against the Marxist-Leninist government of the Hungarian People's Republic and its Soviet-imposed policies, lasting from 23 October until 10 November 1956. Though leaderless when it first began, it was the first major threat to Soviet control since the USSR's forces drove Nazi Germany from its territory at the end of World War II.

 

The revolt began as a student protest, which attracted thousands as they marched through central Budapest to the Parliament building, calling out on the streets using a van with loudspeakers. A student delegation, entering the radio building to try to broadcast the students' demands, was detained. When the delegation's release was demanded by the protesters outside, they were fired upon from within the building by the State Security Police, known as ÁVH (acronym for Állam Védelmi Hatóság, literally "State Protection Authority"). One student died and was wrapped in a flag and held above the crowd. This was the start of the revolution. As the news spread, disorder and violence erupted throughout the capital.143633415_Ungarn1956_1.jpg.d9c46658148cc

 

The revolt spread quickly across Hungary, and the government collapsed. Thousands organised into militias, battling the ÁVH and Soviet troops. Pro-Soviet communists and ÁVH members were often executed or imprisoned, and former political prisoners were released and armed. Radical impromptu workers' councils wrested municipal control from the ruling Hungarian Working People's Party and demanded political changes. A new government formally disbanded the ÁVH, declared its intention to withdraw from the Warsaw Pact and pledged to re-establish free elections. By the end of October, fighting had almost stopped, and a sense of normality began to return.1956.jpg.42163727573fa55c91ca25e1d503f44

 

After announcing a willingness to negotiate a withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Politburo changed its mind and moved to crush the revolution. On 4 November, a large Soviet force invaded Budapest and other regions of the country. The Hungarian resistance continued until 10 November. Over 2,500 Hungarians and 700 Soviet troops were killed in the conflict, and 200,000 Hungarians fled as refugees. Mass arrests and denunciations continued for months thereafter. By January 1957, the new Soviet-installed government had suppressed all public opposition. These Soviet actions, while strengthening control over the Eastern Bloc, alienated many Western Marxists, leading to splits and/or considerable losses of membership for communist parties in capitalist states.

 

Public discussion about the revolution was suppressed in Hungary for more than 30 years. Since the thaw of the 1980s, it has been a subject of intense study and debate. At the inauguration of the Third Hungarian Republic in 1989, 23 October was declared a national holiday.

 

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There are more variant for the location of the map.

The most Interesting locations are the : Citadella and the Budai Castle.

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History:

The Citadella is the fortification located upon the top of Gellért Hill in Budapest, Hungary.

The fortress was built in 1851 by Julius Jacob von Haynau, a commander of the Austrian Empire, and was designed by Emmanuel Zitta and Ferenc Kasselik, after the Hungarian Revolution of 1848. It occupies almost the entire 235 metres high plateau. The fortress is a U-shaped structure built about a central courtyard, being 220 metres long, 60 metres wide, and 4 metres tall. It had a complement of sixty cannons.

 

 

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How you can see , this location have a high hill in the middle, where is are the B and C2 point,

the B is inside the Fortress , the C2 is in the park area , the C1 is in the middle of the road what go to the fortress.

A point is along the Danube.Both sides fight for the hill and they need to climb that, for capturing the strategically points. This map is good for the light- and fast -tanks

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Buda Castle 

History:

Buda Castle  is the historical castle and palace complex of the Hungarian kings in Budapest. It was first completed in 1265, but the massive Baroque palace today occupying most of the site was built between 1749 and 1769. The complex in the past was referred to as either the Royal Palace  or the Royal Castle The castle now houses the Hungarian National Gallery and The Budapest History Museum.

 

Buda Castle sits on the south tip of Castle Hill, bounded on the north by what is known as the Castle District (Várnegyed), which is famous for medieval, Baroque and 19th-century houses, churches and public buildings. The hill is linked to Clark Ádám Square and the Széchenyi Chain Bridge by the Castle Hill Funicular. The castle is a part of the Budapest World Heritage Site, so declared in 1987.

 

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This location contain: Like  the Citadel , this location have too in the middle a hill , in the top of the hill is the Huge Castle.

Under the Castle is a tunnel. In right side of the map is a Railway station , and in the left side is the Danube with the Széchenyi-Bridge (Lánchid).

A point is in the front of the left  entrance of the Tunnel , C is in the right side of the Tunnel.

The B is in the Middle of the Buda Castle.

This map can be the most unique map of the War Thunder ,with their serpentine , with the huge castle building and with the urban area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I hope you like it! If you want to see this map in-game please vote and press the Upload icon. :yes_yes_yes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Open for discussion. :salute:

 

However please do fix your images so that they are visible.

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The overall idea is fantastic.

 

I'd make a dinamic map (slightly bigger and tilted to the west): Axis starts with all capped points. Comintern has to cap the points from east to west. One of the point is the eastern side bridge: when the Comintern gets it, the bridge will be destroyed (automatically, if there are Axis players still alive). A pontoon will be deployed for Comintern in 90 seconds (this time will allow both sides to reorganize). The last point will be in Buda.

 

Of course it's not historically accurate, but I think it'd be fun.

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1 hour ago, MesserMorfeo said:

The overall idea is fantastic.

 

I'd make a dinamic map (slightly bigger and tilted to the west): Axis starts with all capped points. Comintern has to cap the points from east to west. One of the point is the eastern side bridge: when the Comintern gets it, the bridge will be destroyed (automatically, if there are Axis players still alive). A pontoon will be deployed for Comintern in 90 seconds (this time will allow both sides to reorganize). The last point will be in Buda.

 

Of course it's not historically accurate, but I think it'd be fun.

Thx :) Your idea is really interesting ! I love it :D 

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Budapest 1945.

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Duna and  bridges.

Széchenyi lánchíd Lánchíd. ( Széchenyi Chain Bridge Built:1840-1849)

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Szabadság híd (Ferenc József híd, Fővám téri híd ) Freedom Bridge   (build : 1894-1896)

 

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Budapest City

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Buda Vár. (Buda palace) 

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Parlament  ( Country House build 1885 – 1904) 

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6 hours ago, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

Budapest 1945.

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Duna and  bridges.

Széchenyi lánchíd Lánchíd. ( Széchenyi Chain Bridge Built:1840-1849)

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Szabadság híd (Ferenc József híd, Fővám téri híd ) Freedom Bridge   (build : 1894-1896)

 

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Budapest City

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Buda Vár. (Buda palace) 

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Parlament  ( Country House build 1885 – 1904) 

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http://www.nemzetfotere.hu/gallery/gallery/19450117

Good! Really Good! Thx Lanty :) 

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 No!! Do not insert another city map for tanks!!!!

 

This map would be fantastic for Heroes and Generals, not for WT.

 

 

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You see where german tanks were placed? OUTSIDE of the city!

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4 hours ago, Dominator48 said:

 No!! Do not insert another city map for tanks!!!!

 

This map would be fantastic for Heroes and Generals, not for WT.

 

 

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You see where german tanks were placed? OUTSIDE of the city!

This suggestion is for War Thunder not for Heroes and generals (thx for your NO! ...before you the votes was 100% in YES ) 

The German tank divisions are outside of the CITY but that not mean only there was tanks....just watch the pictures.

The War thunder is not a Simulator game so the progress of the battles are not historical.

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Sorry, but it was suggested alredy in 2015 may 04 and passed to developers in 2015 may 21 so its not your suggestion but the 2015 one what was passed a long time ago.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, IIPzgreen said:

Sorry, but it was suggested alredy in 2015 may 05. and passed to developers in 2015 may 21 so its not your suggestion but the 2015 one what was passed a long time ago.

 

 

Good to see that im not the only one who want to see that map .  How you can see that is just a write not a concrete design , you can see in my suggestion the historical is in quote so its secondary , the important things are the locations of the maps , they are some places form the all city (i dont know how to say but i hope you will get what i want )

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On 02/11/2018 at 11:25, DarthGergely said:

The German tank divisions are outside of the CITY but that not mean only there was tanks....just watch the pictures.

The War thunder is not a Simulator game so the progress of the battles are not historical.

 

It doesn't have to be 100% historical. But it needs to be reasonable and with a lot of common sense. Otherwise it will be just a clone of WoT, nothing more.

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4 hours ago, Dominator48 said:

 

It doesn't have to be 100% historical. But it needs to be reasonable and with a lot of common sense. Otherwise it will be just a clone of WoT, nothing more.

The commons sense start at the American map? You want to play in a great city with long and deadly history or in a city where never was fight ? 

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14 hours ago, DarthGergely said:

You want to play in a great city with long and deadly history or in a city where never was fight ?

 

I don't want to fight with tanks in ANY city. It has nothing to do with "realistic representation of tank battles", period.

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7 hours ago, DarthGergely said:

You dont want but a lot of player want. During the WW was a lot ot tank battle inside the cities.

 

But the balance is false at the moment. Right now we are fighting 90% of the time in city/CQB terrain. Much more tank battles were fought in open terrain. In fact, the ratio should be opposite - 90% should take place in the open.

 

And there were no tank battles inside cities - only tank "duels" and that's a very big difference. I know that many players don't care, but again - I would like WT not degrade into WoT-shape.

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6 hours ago, Dominator48 said:

 

But the balance is false at the moment. Right now we are fighting 90% of the time in city/CQB terrain. Much more tank battles were fought in open terrain. In fact, the ratio should be opposite - 90% should take place in the open.

 

And there were no tank battles inside cities - only tank "duels" and that's a very big difference. I know that many players don't care, but again - I would like WT not degrade into WoT-shape.

The city maps are more balanced for the players then the open terrain maps. There are more chance to flank , hide yourself etc. and those things are important for the light tanks. Your personal opinion about the wt degrade wot shape is your own so cant cover the opinion of the all community. I don't agree with your opinion about the city map , i like them (not all but most of them) . They are beautiful , interesting what made the game better. I would like to see historical maps in the future not alternative history maps or imaginary like the American Deseret .

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13 hours ago, Certima said:

You want a new Kursk?

 

Yes! Much, much more maps like Kursk, Fulda Gap, Mozdok (full version), Maginot Line and other open-fielded. These are the terrain layouts resembling those, on which tanks were fighting during WW2 - large, uninhabited areas of USSR, wide meadows of France, vast flat areas of african desert on which tanks with short ranged guns started to fire from 4-5km, only because they saw enemy already.

 

In city most effective and leading force is infantry, tanks can only support them. This (infantry) is not represented in WT, so forcing us (tankers) to chase one another among the empty streets, with no fear of being hit by infantry AT weapons (panzerfausts, bazookas, AT grenades, molotov's coctails, AT rifles and so on) is as artificial as fighting on the moon surface.

 

You (players, not you personally) want artificial, unrealistic enviroment - fine, but don't complain that your tank have gun  depression, armour thickness or shells penetration values not corresponding with reality.

 

I wrote this in another topic - why so much effort is put to recreate realistic tank models with the utmost care and in the same time put them into completely unrealistic enviroment?

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Definitely a +1

Also good choices. 

Gaijin should really step up their map game. There are so many amazing candidates just based on Hungarian battlefields alone.

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