_JosephStylin_

Replace Mi-4 with Mi-8

Hi comrades...

 

So I was following the heli CBT, although I did not participate. As it just came out, I could not resist and went for the Russian branch. Sadly, all the "disadvantages" of the Mi-4 previously brought up by the community seem to be on point. 

 

So I was wondering, what motivates the Mi-4 being in the game, especially since:

 

AH-1: introduced in 1967.

Mi-4: introduced in 1953.

 

That is big a difference, and the Mi-4s feels to be completely overpowered by any other chopper. Couldn't we just replace the Mi-4 with the Mi-8 (also introduced 1967)? It virtually has the same armament, except for the forward facing machine gun, but I would trade that stick any time for the better overall performance offered by the Mi-8. The tech tree would also be more logical, since the Mi-24 is greatly derived from the Mi-8.

 

Slightly off topic:

 

I think Gaijin should also consider removing machine guns from tank turrets, or make them usable only if a crew member mans them, unless it can be operated from the inside (tank specific). The heli and its crew of early choppers is quite vulnerable to those, so it would be only fair if tankers would have to risk the safety of their own crews for the sake of extra AA protection.

 

Cheers.

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Mi-4 is so amazing that I see much more Mi-24Ds than Mi-4s in Realistic Battles from the event tab :crazy:

Buying the Mi-24D is probably the only option at this moment if you want to play and grind russian helicopters.

I'm really surprised that people are not complaning about it.

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Just hide the Mi-4AV from the tree, let the current owners keep it and replace it with the Mi-8 as the starting helicopter.

 

19 minutes ago, RideR2 said:

I'm really surprised that people are not complaning about it.

 

People have been complaining about it since day 1 of the closed beta test.

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On 26/10/2018 at 22:34, *sigma__zero said:

People have been complaining about it since day 1 of the closed beta test.

not much tho. (or that complains were removed) heli forum is rather calm, tankers rage lot more ;) 

spaded it. never again.

and actually Hind A should be start machine for russian tech tree and next machine should be Hind B ;) 

 

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Your standard Mi-8T could serve as the Russian entry level helicopter. no guns, and only carries unguided rockets. It could start off with the 4x UB-16 pods, with UB-32 pods as an upgrade. Maybe at BR 8.3 (it's base config does carry twice the rocket load of the base Cobra)?

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Helicopter tree layouts and BR's need a drastic overhaul to be honest.

 

The USA get the pretty great AH-1G at 8.0, while Russia gets the awful Mi-4AV. Frankly I think they should either move the Mi-4AV to 8.0 at the very least, you could even replace it with the Mi-24A and remove its ATGM's.

 

If that is unpalatable move the Mi-24A and D variant down to 8.7, placing the other V and P Hind variants at 9.3 and 9.7 respectively and then having the Mi-35 at 10.0. At least then we have some sort of logical progression through the BR's instead of having everything at 9.7 more or less.

 

All this aside, I would like to see the Mi-8 in game. It's such an iconic chopper easily on par with the Huey that it really deserves a spot in the game.

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I'd like to see the Mi-24A have its ATGMs removed and placed at 8.0, as a fair counterpart to the AH-1G. Weaker rockets than the Cobra, but more of them. Seems a fair tradeoff, especially as the S5Ks can't damage many vehicles at all.

 

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Or Ah-1g could be move up to 9.0 and get AH-1S modification (AH-1G with TOW)

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while UH-1B/C/D add for 8.0 with out ATGM.

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Its not really correct to compare helicopters of each nation, their position and BR as 1:1 counterparts. There position in the tree is not related to their BR. For example just because a helicopter is at the start of the tree, does not mean it must be the same BR as all of the others. 

 

Bearing in mind the Mi-4, just like the Alouette and H-34 are intended to fulfill the role of starting / reserve helicopters. None of them are exactly on par with each other. All of these helicopters have ant-tank guided missiles, The AH-1G is the exception as it does not feature ATGMs and is armed mainly for light targets and SPAAGs, thus is at a BR that reflects this. It cannot effectively target heavy / armored targets like the others can. 

 

In the case of the Mi-4, it chronologically was the first armed USSR attack helicopter. There is no reason to remove / replace this machine when others may be added in the future. 

 

Comparing it directly to the AH-1G, an entirely different helicopter of a different nature and role is not justification for its removal. 

 

On 08/06/2019 at 07:54, CodeNameColdWar said:

Or Ah-1g could be move up to 9.0 and get AH-1S modification (AH-1G with TOW)

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while UH-1B/C/D add for 8.0 with out ATGM.

 

The AH-1S upgrade would take the AH-1G from a 8.0 to 9.7. Not suitable really at all for a starter helicopter when this could be an entirely different vehicle as with the Japanese example. 

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3 hours ago, Smin1080p said:

The AH-1S upgrade would take the AH-1G from a 8.0 to 9.7. Not suitable really at all for a starter helicopter when this could be an entirely different vehicle as with the Japanese example. 

Why not to make H-34 American start helicopter?

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6 hours ago, _Condottiero_ said:

Why not to make H-34 American start helicopter?

Oh God not another H-34. Seriously if we start using the H-34 for a starter for any nation that ever used it, it'll be sheer pain.

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1 minute ago, TerikG2014 said:

Oh God not another H-34. Seriously if we start using the H-34 for a starter for any nation that ever used it, it'll be sheer pain.

It's better than only one nation having 8.0 helicopter

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10 hours ago, Smin1080p said:

The AH-1S upgrade would take the AH-1G from a 8.0 to 9.7. Not suitable really at all for a starter helicopter when this could be an entirely different vehicle as with the Japanese example. 

The AH-1G would be fine at 9.0 in helicopter EC. Its just so much more useful because its faster.

 

No comment on GF though, I don't play it.

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What is the reasoning behind giving the MI4 a range finder in its gunner view? They do not even have a laser range finder in research tab yet unlike any other nation the soviet get unfair advantage.

This has to be removed as it has to be removed for the MI24.

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On 01/09/2019 at 00:43, VonMarder said:

This has to be removed as it has to be removed for the MI24.

Mi-4 I don't know much about it.

but No for Mi-24. Because Mi-24V/P  Did have laser range finder equip in Soviet-Afghan war and later on. 

 https://www.16va.be/4.2_les_mi-24_part1_eng.html#sixbis

"Mi-24V or P were equipped with a laser range finder in Afghanistan. The device was located in lieu of the fourth cabin window on the right side. That discreet small box was covered with the international symbol indicating radioactivity. Helicopters equipped with such devices were based in USSR during the late nineties."

On Mi-24D might be possible too. 

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