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Separating Italy and minor Axis nations

On 28/11/2018 at 22:51, Dalless said:

Ya you're right Poland was allied to Britain and France before the war even though they were sold out later. I was thinking more about post war. Okay so without Poland, Romania, Hungary, Czechs and Bulgaria all fit nicely together. KInda like a Visegrad group without Poland (Sorry Poland).

Visegrád and not Visegrad. It is a small Hungarian town on the Danube. (Italy did not exist until 1871 as an independent state. Sorry Italy) 
The name of the Group is derived, and the place of meeting selected, from a meeting of the Bohemian (Czech), Polish, and Hungarian rulers in Visegrád in 1335.Robert Charles I of Hungary, Casimir III of Poland, and John of Bohemiaagreed to create new commercial routes to bypass the staple port Vienna and obtain easier access to other European markets. The recognition of Czech sovereignty over the Duchy of Silesia was also confirmed. A second meetingtook place in 1339, where it was decided that after the death of Casimir III of Poland, the son of Charles I of Hungary, Louis I of Hungary, would become King of Poland provided that Casimir did not have a son. 

The countries' extensive interactions during history, including various territories being ruled by the Habsburg Empire (eventually known as Austria-Hungary) and its successors at various times from the 1500s all the way to World War I. Most recently, during the Cold War, the four countries were satellite states of the Soviet Union as the Polish People's Republic, the Hungarian People's Republic and the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic. The year 1989 marks the Fall of Communism in Central and Eastern Europe. By 1990, the three Communist People's Republics ended and in December, 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed. In between, the Visegrád Group was established on 15 February 1991.

The group was referred to as the Visegrád Triangle prior to the dissolution of Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993.
It is very very old covenant. 

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24 minutes ago, Dalless said:

Kingdom of Italy was proclaimed in 1861 not 1871.

And I don't get what your point is. That Romania and Bulgaria are not Visegrad?

He Just went off topic....we are discussing whether it is possible to have Bulgaria Yugoslavia romaniaand Hungary in a combined tree as regulars an not premiums in another nations or regulars in a tree of another nation

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On 27/11/2018 at 15:16, Smin1080p said:

We currently dont have plans to separate the minor axis nations from Italy. Italian aircraft in particular have proven somewhat tricky to get information on, so bolstering them with minor axis machines and give those nations also a chance to be represented was the most logical and mutually beneficial system to be implemented, given how there is not really enough for these nations to have their own independent trees.

 

Also with the regard and comparison for those wanting a "pure" Italian tree, many nations have premiums from other countries or related nations. The USA has the Magach 3 (Israeli) and M4A5 (Canada), Britian has the STRV 81 (Sweeden), Wirraway and Boomerangs (Australia) and Russia has the Chinese Type 62 and 65. So Italy is really not an exception. 

Given these constraints I would just like to ask that if we will only see the Turan or the "Roe Belly" in premium form please keep the costs reasonable.

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2 hours ago, Dalless said:

Kingdom of Italy was proclaimed in 1861 not 1871.

And I don't get what your point is. That Romania and Bulgaria are not Visegrad?

Never.

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18 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Given these constraints I would just like to ask that if we will only see the Turan or the "Roe Belly" in premium form please keep the costs reasonable.

They said no other premiums will be announced for Italy so for sure they won't come in this patch, it will be a long wait

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1 minute ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

They said no other premiums will be announced for Italy so for sure they won't come in this patch, it will be a long wait

Premium Italy ground force.  Aircraft is still possible, and other nacional premium vechile. 

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1 minute ago, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

Premium Italy ground force.  Aircraft is still possible, and other nacional premium vechile. 

Premiums won't be an option talking about air force because the lack of CAS means that regulars CAS have the priority and so it is the wisest choice to just add regular Italian ground attackers to give everyone this option, while a premium might limit this possibility to many, same principle next update maybe 

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10 minutes ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

Premiums won't be an option talking about air force because the lack of CAS means that regulars CAS have the priority and so it is the wisest choice to just add regular Italian ground attackers to give everyone this option, while a premium might limit this possibility to many, same principle next update maybe 

Rather, CAS machines should be forced because it has a reputation for Italy.   :good:

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Did somebody remember Italy where started their "War thunder life"? In the German Tree , inside a other tree. Now one pice of Italian community fight against adding some other nation in their tree...ironic! Why they dont want to Hungary , Romania and the other minor axis start their own way? Because its not historical? This game is everything but not historical, so i really dont know why its problem to put some vehicles from allied nation to Italy .... 

Watch the Hungarian WW2 planes: (a lot of Italian licensed plane)

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Or some Hungarian TD: (Italian design) 

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I haven't got problem with Italy or with the Italian nation , i just want justice! 

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6 minutes ago, DarthGergely said:

Did somebody remember Italy where started their "War thunder life"? In the German Tree , inside a other tree. Now one pice of Italian community fight against adding some other nation in their tree...ironic! Why they dont want to Hungary , Romania and the other minor axis start their own way? Because its not historical? This game is everything but not historical, so i really dont know why its problem to put some vehicles from allied nation to Italy .... 

Watch the Hungarian WW2 planes: (a lot of Italian licensed plane)

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Or some Hungarian TD: (Italian design) 

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I haven't got problem with Italy or with the Italian nation , i just want justice! 

Justice would be not adding them as a regular part of the tree, exactly if they are Italian ones licensed just do not add them, just add the Hungarian ones to a mixed tree with other nations, Italy started as a branch of the German tree and after how long we ended up with our own tree? 6 years or so. Would it be fair for you to have just gotten a tree and see it filled with machines you were not waiting?? Well I waited long enough for Italian tanks and would prefer to se just them as many other do

How can I tell you in a simple way? Italy has more then enough TD we don't need a short barreled Hungarian TD

And by the way did you know that the planes that were in the German tree were all used also by Germany?? Did you knew that? Weel now you know why they were there like Czech tanks are there, Italy did not use any Hungarian vehicles, it would be the other way around. Same story goes for tanks, we have enough capable ones we don't need other vehicles 

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1 minute ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

Justice would be not adding them as a regular part of the tree, exactly if they are Italian ones licensed just do not add them, just add the Hungarian ones to a mixed tree with other nations, Italy started as a branch of the German tree and after how long we ended up with our own tree? 6 years or so. Would it be fair for you to have just gotten a tree and see it filled with machines you were not waiting?? Well I waited long enough for Italian tanks and would prefer to se just them as many other do

But not for you, but for more than 10 million players. So if the Hungarian vechile are in it then they are. Because not only the Italians exist in the world. And please finish this Hungarophobic behavior. :popcorn:

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4 minutes ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

Justice would be not adding them as a regular part of the tree, exactly if they are Italian ones licensed just do not add them, just add the Hungarian ones to a mixed tree with other nations, Italy started as a branch of the German tree and after how long we ended up with our own tree? 6 years or so. Would it be fair for you to have just gotten a tree and see it filled with machines you were not waiting?? Well I waited long enough for Italian tanks and would prefer to se just them as many other do

6 years for Italy and now Italy arrived....6 years for Hungary...Hungary doesn't arrived yet...who waited more? You get what you wait but we dont...we need to wait more...don't be selfish . All other nations wait their own tree , vehicles and when they will get ? 

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11 minutes ago, DarthGergely said:

6 years for Italy and now Italy arrived....6 years for Hungary...Hungary doesn't arrived yet...who waited more? You get what you wait but we dont...we need to wait more...don't be selfish . All other nations wait their own tree , vehicles and when they will get ? 

You are continuously arguing about Italian planes in the German tree and I debunked you stating that Germany had used the mc 202 like the luftwaffe skin says, as well as cr42 etc etc so just do not complain if hungry has to wait, like Czech vehicles were used and were in the tree, we were used and it was "right" to add them at the time but Italy NEVER USED Hungarian tanks, find me a piece of evidence were the opposite is stated and I will be fine to let you have a regular line..... Italy and Hungary never ever had a common border....... How can I be selfish when you want to put by force your vehicles never used by another country in that country tree, am I selfish or are you? 

17 minutes ago, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

But not for you, but for more than 10 million players. So if the Hungarian vechile are in it then they are. Because not only the Italians exist in the world. And please finish this Hungarophobic behavior. :popcorn:

It is not Hungarian phobic simply there is no valid reason you can come up with to have a regular line and secondly neither all Of the players want t see minor nations in their trees or in the Italian one, you Hungarians are the only one pushing this argument trying to deny the Italian possibility to have a good tree, saying it will be bad and only your tanks will fix it, so you should stop

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If adding Hungarian tanks to the Italian tree is so controversial, perhaps it's best we stay away from that for now. Let's focus on getting the Italian tank tree in game first, then we can debate more on this. I personally wouldn't mind if we just had a couple premiums for Italy like say a 44M Tas and 40M Turan from a specific Hungarian Armor division, and if we get an international tree later then we can have all the Hungarian vehicles the world could ever want.

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This debate started by you wanting a place on the podium pretending to be added when it was decided that it would be the Italian tree, with premium fillers, if ever needed because if Italy it is on its own it means it has enough vehicles to sustai itself..... 

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9 minutes ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

You are continuously arguing about Italian planes in the German tree and I debunked you stating that Germany had used the mc 202 like the luftwaffe skin says, as well as cr42 etc etc so just do not complain if hungry has to wait, like Czech vehicles were used and were in the tree, we were used and it was "right" to add them at the time but Italy NEVER USED Hungarian tanks, find me a piece of evidence were the opposite is stated and I will be fine to let you have a regular line..... Italy and Hungary never ever had a common border....... How can I be selfish when you want to put by force your vehicles never used by another country in that country tree, am I selfish or are you? 

Of course You. because it is only nationalistic, racist and Hungarophobic, that you are only willing to see what is Italian. The Hungarians were the allies of the Italians in a Second World War.  :( Without the Italians, we could have won the World War II. :( 

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1 minute ago, SlyOldSnoopy said:

If adding Hungarian tanks to the Italian tree is so controversial, perhaps it's best we stay away from that for now. Let's focus on getting the Italian tank tree in game first, then we can debate more on this. I personally wouldn't mind if we just had a couple premiums for Italy like say a 44M Tas and 40M Turan from a specific Hungarian Armor division, and if we get an international tree later then we can have all the Hungarian vehicles the world could ever want.

Those two are paper and there is not even a singular photo of a real one of those just of the wooden mock ups, and if you want to come up with that paperish stuff there wouldn't be the need because Italy would complete this supposed invisible gap with it's own papers so just no need at all for hungary

Just now, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

Of course You. because it is only nationalistic, racist and Hungarophobic, that you are only willing to see what is Italian. The Hungarians were the allies of the Italians in a Second World War.  :( Without the Italians, we could have won the World War II. :( 

......your getting out of your mind stating that now... Do we have to start a topic on whether Germany could win the war or not? I don't want to see neither Romanians or Bulgarians or Yugoslavian vehicles not because I'm racist or nationalistic to you but because even if allies we neve ever used their vehicles, there is no reason at all to add them

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Just now, MadMax_ITA_ said:

Those two are paper and there is not even a singular photo of a real one of those just of the wooden mock ups, and if you want to come up with that paperish stuff there wouldn't be the need because Italy would complete this supposed invisible gap with it's own papers so just no need at all for hungary

The 44M Tas I can give you for the mockup, but the 40M Turan?

 

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1 minute ago, SlyOldSnoopy said:

The 44M Tas I can give you for the mockup, but the 40M Turan?

 

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Sorry I confused it with the 43 turan 

The 40 can come as a premium if they want to add something Hungarian admitting they can find enough info

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1 minute ago, SlyOldSnoopy said:

The 44M Tas I can give you for the mockup, but the 40M Turan?

 

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41M Turán I

 

43M Turán III

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Just now, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

41M Turán I

 

43M Turán III

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Just now, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

41M Turán I

 

43M Turán III

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The turret doesn't look really made from steel.... Like the other photo you sent of it didn't had a hole in the barrel it was just one long solid piece probably a wooden turret on the real chassis 

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1 minute ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

Sorry I confused it with the 43 turan 

It's okay! I actually forgot about that thing. I'd like to see just the 40M Turan as a rank II premium, would you say that's fair? It doesn't have to be there forever, once we get an international tech tree it can be moved to there.

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I'm not racist, I don't want foreign vehicles not used by Italy in the Italian tree not only Hungarians, I like those Hungarian tanks that were made but the Italian tree is not the place for them same for Romania etc etc

2 minutes ago, SlyOldSnoopy said:

It's okay! I actually forgot about that thing. I'd like to see just the 40M Turan as a rank II premium, would you say that's fair? It doesn't have to be there forever, once we get an international tech tree it can be moved to there.

Yes that's fine as I said many times premiums are welcomed because people are not forced to have them where putting some tanks in the regular line would obly people to use them if they wouldn't ever want to do so. like the Romanian duck or the iar they re there and they are fine and it would be more fair for both to have them, having none it is not fair for you, having them to take the place in our tree not fair for us, coexistence fair for both

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