Standalone Swedish Ground forces tree

[Wolf_89 2,487]

On 10/03/2019 at 11:07, deranged_teapot said:

I'm interested as to why the Strv 74 is in the light tank line and not the medium. Because of the turret armor? There are two blueprint tanks from Landsverk you may want to research: the Leo and the Lassen. They could fit into the Rank III-IV area for the medium and light trees, respectively. As far as tank destroyers go, I'd replace the XX 20 with the UDES 15/16 and the Strv 2000 140. Speaking of, the Strv 2000 140/40 could go in the medium tank line as a 10.0 below the Strv 122 (seeing as the Leo 2A5 is now being added). Also to note: a variant of the CV 90, the Strf 9040/56, did carry ATGMs and powerful ones at that. Also maybe be a bit more selective with the AA. Sorry if this is all sounding very critical, but I came across this while researching my own idea of a Swedish tree.

Blue print vehicles should be avoided as much as possible. Half finished vehicles i'm okay with. Like Kranvagn(our heavy tank) And at least i'm okay with them added Strv K. Kranvagn with a Cent turret. Both existed. Strv 2000 140/40 is only a mockup. So no thx.

 

Strf 9040/56 is already in this tree. As Strf 9040 Rb 56.

[Wolf_89 2,487]

Could the Bofors weapon rig mounted on an Ikv 91 work for this tree? 

[rampe313 48]

I would like to add another 'me too' support for this tree, although I'm obviously a bit late with this. And a big thanks for the work on the proposed tree!

Sweden really has remarkable potential for an air, and especially a ground tree of its own. They developed a large number of original vehicles through the decades to assure an independent defense for their (at least nominally) neutral country. But the vehicles are not so well known outside Sweden due to the fortunate lack of involvement in war of this smallish country.

What I find especially tantalizing about the Swedish vehicles is the innovative uniqueness of some of the vehicles. The S-tank in particular, which is very much unlike any other MBT. I would be very curious to see how it would be to play this vehicle (after a lengthy grind for sure). Obviously, as others have already noted, the unique 'chasis aiming' of the gun would require some tweaking of the usual controls, but I'm sure this  would be solvable. UDES XX20 would be another very much unique and interesting vehicle, but I have doubts whether waist-steering could be modeled satisfactorily in the game. After all, the driver would have had control of the 2 or 3-plane waist steering to force the relative position of the two parts of the vehicle (allowing some remarkable maneuvering over obstacles).  Perhaps this should not even be considered, as the design was never frozen,  and UDES XX20 would necessary end up as another highly speculative (albeit also highly interesting)  tank in the game.

Unfortunately, Sweden cancelled the development of Stridsvagn 2000 (and after a while ended up pretty much dismantling the entire army). As a meager comfort, Leo A4 and A5 (Strv 121 and 122) could be copy-pasted into the tree (with some Swedish tweaks for the latter, notably the improved armor). While A4 is already in the proposed tree, Pbv 401 and Pbv 501 (MT-LB and BMP-1 respectively) could easily be copy-pasted - if needed - too. (An ATGM version of Pbv 401 was at least proposed, equipped with TOW or BILL, much like the Shturm S we already have in the Soviet tree. Otoh, BMP-1 was nerfed by the Swedes by removing the ATGM, and the autoloader, so the Pbv 501 should end up with a lower battle rating).

[CaID 8,965]

while many offer tree with 80% or more copy paste. there is always someone that come out with 90% or more original and unique tanks. the Swedish wasn't much active in any war since early 1900s, but they have hell of good vehicles. the Vikings should come into the game. 100% support from me. let's the other try to justify the good reason to have Dutch or Israeli tree. the Swedish have a strait pass before them for me.

[kamikazi21358 998]

7 hours ago, CaID said:

while many offer tree with 80% or more copy paste. there is always someone that come out with 90% or more original and unique tanks. the Swedish wasn't much active in any war since early 1900s, but they have hell of good vehicles. the Vikings should come into the game. 100% support from me. let's the other try to justify the good reason to have Dutch or Israeli tree. the Swedish have a strait pass before them for me.

I agree Sweden should be next, and I think they are not officially confirmed, but practically border-line confirmed as the next possibility.

 

However, in the farther future (a few years down the road), I don’t think nations like Israel should be ignored, as they do with ground forces exceed the 47 or so number of vehicles for a potential tree (like 50-60 options), and over half of their vehicles are unique, with at minimum 1 unique vehicle as low as 1.0 up to essentially almost as modern as we could go with tanks like the Merkava IV M.

[PacketlossRedux 592]

having looked at the specs, below rank 5 it looks like suffering...aside from the rank 1 and 2 strv's, and the Bofors SPAA's

still its much better than the Itallian overall

warning *its a personal opinion* warning

Edited August 6, 2019 by Jacky95

[stefffff1871 2,444]

Is there anywhere a list of vehicles that where actually used by Sweden, so no prototypes or Export-only vehicles? 

i want to try sth like this for Sweden:

[Sp15 266]

On 19/08/2019 at 16:46, stefffff1871 said:

Is there anywhere a list of vehicles that where actually used by Sweden, so no prototypes or Export-only vehicles? 

i want to try sth like this for Sweden:

 

Not really, there is plenty of more stuff than in my outdated tree here though. I personally dont quite see the point in such a list as the game already features plenty of prototypes.

 

Anyway as a general update i have to say thanks to the people who have posted here and expressed their intrest in the tree, hopefully something woill come out of it sooner rather than later. Ive been buisy on a related side project you could say which is why i have not been updating this tree or replying much. I will make an attempt to be more responsive from now on though

[eleks12 1,059]

I would still prefer that a Sweedish tech tree would become War Thunder first international tech tree in form of a "Scandinavian tech tree" Sweeden as a main bach off vehicles with Denmark, Norway and Finland as Filler,Premium and event nations for this type of tree!

[Sp15 266]

14 minutes ago, eleks12 said:

I would still prefer that a Sweedish tech tree would become War Thunder first international tech tree in form of a "Scandinavian tech tree" Sweeden as a main bach off vehicles with Denmark, Norway and Finland as Filler,Premium and event nations for this type of tree!

Italy has already had foreign vehicles as premiums so i guess something like that would work ok. I do think that the core of the tree should be swedish though. The way i see it most of the somewhat original norwegian, finnish and danish tanks could fit in the existing trees. The NM 116 is a french modification originally, the Bt42 is based on a soviet tank and the danish updated m41's could be added to the US tree, at least going by the logic of the shot kal and magach premiums.

[Stridswombat 1,088]

Now that thermals is introduced in the game, what do you think about stealth tanks such as CV90120 Ghost? I feel the stealth would be a good tradeoff for the lack of armour at toptier.

[Sp15 266]

48 minutes ago, Stridswombat said:

Now that thermals is introduced in the game, what do you think about stealth tanks such as CV90120 Ghost? I feel the stealth would be a good tradeoff for the lack of armour at toptier.

Its a interesting vehicle for sure, but id probably prefer to have it as a researchable module so you can choose between the version with the Active protection system and the ADAPTIV stealth system.

[NirvanaFagel 1]

Hello!

I just wanted to ask about the AA conversion of trucks, like the tgdb m/40 found in your tree. I've tried to find information about it however all I've found is that another vehicle was given a similar modification. When did these conversions take place, how many conversions were made and were any AA trucks introduced into service?

 

Tack på förhand!

Edited August 26, 2019 by NirvanaFagel
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[kamikazi21358 998]

2 hours ago, Sp15 said:

Its a interesting vehicle for sure, but id probably prefer to have it as a researchable module so you can choose between the version with the Active protection system and the ADAPTIV stealth system.

I am not a fan of vehicle combining at all.  Take the BMP-1, the BMP-1 could honestly be 6.7 with the Ru-251, while the BMP-1P is one of the best 7.3 vehicles in the game.

As well, more tanks mean more backups, 

having separate tanks of each would be way more valuable imo.  Plus trading APS for stealth would be a completely new modification that has never been done before, there is additional armour mods, but tanks don’t trade in systems for some paint and such in game.

This is my opinion at least, I rather have the vehicles separate.

[Sp15 266]

1 hour ago, NirvanaFagel said:

Hello!

I just wanted to ask about the AA conversion of trucks, like the tgdb m/40 found in your tree. I've tried to find information about it however all I've found is that another vehicle was given a similar modification. When did these conversions take place, how many conversions were made and were any AA trucks introduced into service?

 

Tack på förhand!

Well im afraid i dont know much more than you do, there is some information in the book Volvo i uniform but tbh it just has like one additional photo and says that this conversion was made not how when or why. I was lucky enough to find the original proposal drawing for this conversion however, it is dated may 20th 1941. I didnt realize this thing was actually built untill a year or so after finding the drawing.

49 minutes ago, kamikazi21358 said:

I am not a fan of vehicle combining at all.  Take the BMP-1, the BMP-1 could honestly be 6.7 with the Ru-251, while the BMP-1P is one of the best 7.3 vehicles in the game.

As well, more tanks mean more backups, 

having separate tanks of each would be way more valuable imo.  Plus trading APS for stealth would be a completely new modification that has never been done before, there is additional armour mods, but tanks don’t trade in systems for some paint and such in game.

This is my opinion at least, I rather have the vehicles separate.

I can see that, personally though i dont see enough of an advantage in the 90120-T Ghost to add it as a separate vehicle. Other than it looking cool i guess

[Stridswombat 1,088]

17 hours ago, Sp15 said:

Well im afraid i dont know much more than you do, there is some information in the book Volvo i uniform but tbh it just has like one additional photo and says that this conversion was made not how when or why. I was lucky enough to find the original proposal drawing for this conversion however, it is dated may 20th 1941. I didnt realize this thing was actually built untill a year or so after finding the drawing.

I can see that, personally though i dont see enough of an advantage in the 90120-T Ghost to add it as a separate vehicle. Other than it looking cool i guess

I don't think it could be added as an upgrade. The changes to it is too extensive for it to be easily converted. I do think there's a point to it though as now when thermal is being added, the ability to essentially be invisible to it (like all tanks used to be) will be a big deal. Especially if it's not expected to encounter tanks largely immune to thermal.

I think overall 3 versions of the CV90120 can fit in the game. The base version, Ghost and (when active protection is implemented) the AMAP ADS Hard Kill version would work nicely.

Systems such as stealth or active protection could very easily take up the space of heavier armour used on MBT's for toptier. Aside from survivability, both the mobility and firepower of it is on par with current (and future) toptier MBT's.

[rasmusloow 74]

Good question. Do you know what the Turret Rotation Speed is on the
Strv m/42
Strv m/42 "Delat Torn"
Strv m/40K
Strv 74
?

Im just wondering to see if the turret rotation speed is decent.

[Sp15 266]

On 14/09/2019 at 15:40, rasmusloow said:

Good question. Do you know what the Turret Rotation Speed is on the
Strv m/42
Strv m/42 "Delat Torn"
Strv m/40K
Strv 74
?

Im just wondering to see if the turret rotation speed is decent.

Should be 15 degrees per second for the m/42 and 18 dg/s for 74. As for the rest i dont remember if i have come across the numbers. Hope that helps.

[rasmusloow 74]

On 16/09/2019 at 18:01, Sp15 said:

Should be 15 degrees per second for the m/42 and 18 dg/s for 74. As for the rest i dont remember if i have come across the numbers. Hope that helps.

Thanks for answer! 

[Alan_Tovarishch 860]

I love the idea of a Swedish TT. I´m not much of an airplane player, but the J-35 Draken could convert me. Anyways, i made my own proposal for ground ranks V-VII:
 

		MBT	MBT	LT	IFV	TD	SPAA	PREMIUM
	7.7	Strv 101				PvBv 2063 (TOW)	LvKv 42	Strv-K
	8.0			Ikv-91	Strf 9025
Rank VI	8.3		KRV			UDES 33 (TOW-1 630mm)	VEAK 40	Strv 74 Rb.52
	8.7	Strv 104	Strv 103A		Strf 9040
	9.0		Strv 103B					Strv 105
	9.3		Strv 103C			Pvrbv 551 (TOW-2 900mm)	Lvrbv 701
	9.7		Strv 103D	Ikv-105	Strf 9040B
Rank VII	10							NM142 (TOW-2)
	10.3	Strv 121					Lvrbpbv 4016
	10.7	Strv 122 A			Strf 9040C	Pvrbbv 452 (3xRBS-56)		Strf 9040/56
	11.0	Strv 122 B or C		CV90120

Edited September 19, 2019 by Alan_Tovarishch

[NecroReaper 408]

On 20/07/2018 at 08:10, BlueBeta said:

I don't know sweden just curious about it.

As in the list

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Göta_Lejon

This was the biggest ship in service isn't it?

I know I'm late to the party, technically the heaviest ship, but some of the coastal defence ships have larger guns on board.

[rasmusloow 74]

Do you know if the UDES 15/16 was build? The other tank game says it was build and some information dont know if it was build or not. 

[TheGaiaphage 118]

Only a wooden mockup was made. If you want to know more about UDES I'd recommend this page: http://ointres.se/udes.htm

[rasmusloow 74]

58 minutes ago, TheGaiaphage said:

Only a wooden mockup was made. If you want to know more about UDES I'd recommend this page: http://ointres.se/udes.htm

I know that there was a wooden mockup, some say that there was a wooden mockup (like ointres) some say that they dont know, WOT (the other tank game) says there was 1 working prototype. 

[TheGaiaphage 118]

Considering how little WoT cares about historical accuracy I wouldn't call that a reliable source.