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Remove is7 from 8_2 please! 
It is like tu4 few years ago in 6.7 br pls! Same thing happening only with russian tanks! (ok maybe i missed mbt70) 

 

Made many games against is7, 90mm heatfs can't pen this thing from flank... What must we do ? 

 

I am not an usual crying baby against adversity, i never complained about 906 in 8_2, it was a good tank, and easy kill, but is7 please... against tiger 105?

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39 minutes ago, *Legion_016_ said:

Is-7 is balanced.

this tank has a better armor than t10m, and a better canon + auto loader (10s reload time) cost 2700 SL to repair, and you want to convince me that is7 is balanced? 
90mm heatfs do little damage, when it pen. 
T10m is on 9_2 event. T54 (which is not an easy task to kill) seems to be a light tank compared to is7 that get an incredible mobility. 

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12 hours ago, *Legion_016_ said:

Is-7 is balanced.

lol.

no Is-7 tanks in any of these games. if you kill a tank with a plane, it does not make this tank viable or balanced. Do you have some arguments which are supported by anything meaningful? No? gtho.

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what i tried in game :

105mm apds : no pen
105mm hesh : no pen from flanks, front and turret, one lucky shoot destroy all the turret (but not the ammunition). 
90mm heatfs : you can shoot the driver on the lower front plate, you can shoot the motor by behind, and sometimes you burn it, but did 2 shot on the motor, and it did not burn. From flank on the side armor no pen. On the side turret : pen but only 2 crew member. 

 

The only thing that you must do is shoot the canon breech with heatfs... but its turret rotation is too fast, and can shoot crew member of type 61 with mg.... 

I have seen many is7 killed by type61, i don't know how they did. yes it is possible to shoot an is7, but wkth 500 SL for 1 heatfs, it cost more to destroy an is7 than let him go... 

What all i said was under 100 m distance

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Why is the Fw 190 missing in the event against La-5F, Hellcats, Typhoons etc.? It is equal to them, so what is the reason to not include it? (Yeah, I know, It is German plane, but Allies got more planes a some are better - La-5, Typhoon etc.).

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Yeah, AMX M4 - postwar french beast, against Panthers and Tigers - 10 years older vehicles. But there is everything OK and no any BIAS.

Why is not Ru 251 in the 8_2 Event? Oh, wait, it is German vehicle. This is the answer Why...

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On 15/08/2018 at 23:22, *Legion_016_ said:

Is-7 is balanced.

 

This is mind boggling.  I thought I ve seen every garbage exported from the russian forum by reading Althix all this time. But this is extreme. You do realize that you re not in the russian forum, right ?

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Ok. As it now we are readying a petition for Gaijin to remake current lineups to address powercreep by spreading vehicles across the events. We will ask for an introduction for an additional _2 event in order to help with vehicles spread.

One of key elements would be removing Is-7 from 8_2, separation of the majority of tanks w/o stab from tanks with a stab, separation of apfsds tanks from tanks without such type of ammunition, an introduction of late props-earlier jets event to prevent situations when MiG-17 is fighting 262 or F-80.

We will not present a petition to Gaijin as it now, it will be delivered after 1.81. I will provide planned event lineups "soon tm".

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9 minutes ago, Althix said:

separation of the majority of tanks w/o stab from tanks with a stab, separation of apfsds tanks from tanks without such type of ammunition,

Good Joke. You mean remove the Centurion Mk 10 and Conqueror out of the 8_2 Event? Leo A1A1 out of the 9_2? What about PT-76, AMX M4 in the 6_1 (or which is the number - the event with Tiger I and Panther F)?

 

I'm able to make changes in the current setups for more equal teams, but Gaijin is not listenning 

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4 minutes ago, Packal said:

Good Joke. You mean remove the Centurion Mk 10 and Conqueror out of the 8_2

afaik both of these tanks use apds not apfsds shots. which means they would stay in 8_2, your Cpt. Obvious.

6 minutes ago, Packal said:

Leo A1A1 out of the 9_2?

*sigh* we will ask for an additional event. Which means we are asking for 4 events with _2 index. 8_2, 9_2, 10_2 and 11_2. Which you should've guessed if you would have some common sense. Because:

16 minutes ago, Althix said:

We will ask for an introduction for an additional _2 event in order to help with vehicles spread.

>_>

8 minutes ago, Packal said:

I'm able to make changes

You will have your chance to deliver a valuable comment on the matter in due time.

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9 minutes ago, Packal said:

but Gaijin is not listennin

 

I don t even know if you can make a change here without the approval of the russian clans. The IS 7 at 8.2 was their demand. Of course they knew that the lineup was dead for nato for years now, but they demanded the damn IS 7 to be added. And gaijin acted accordingly. 

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2 minutes ago, JohnQ11939ChtBan said:

I don t even know

as the situation with Brenus shows, a guy responsible for lineups has certain issues with an understanding of what vehicle can do what. the situation with Brenus clearly shows that a guy has no idea about the progression from 1972 to B2 to Brenus.

However, we do know that Gaijin is not against additional event for gfsb, it's a matter of proper introduction of the idea with proper arguments to support it.

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8 minutes ago, Althix said:

as the situation with Brenus shows, a guy responsible for lineups has certain issues with an understanding of what vehicle can do what. the situation with Brenus clearly shows that a guy has no idea about the progression from 1972 to B2 to Brenus.

 

 

Understanding of what ? They gave him a list of vehicles and he did exactly that. Without examining the change whatsoever. 

 

8 minutes ago, Althix said:

 However, we do know that Gaijin is not against additional event for gfsb, it's a matter of proper introduction of the idea with proper arguments to support it.

 

Only a baby could buy that for gaijin. Especially with how they blatantly ignore bug reports and feedback from the international forum.  Again russian clans seem to be in charge, seems to have the first say about what to change and what not to change. Including Lex, a clan with multiple cheating cases. How is this ok with anyone. 

 

Do the russians want to be in charge, that s fine. Create a separate server and do whatever the hell these people want. That s fine with me. But you cannot impose that on the rest of us. Talking about the international community.

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9 minutes ago, Packal said:

But both of them got stab

yes but all things considered, that's not so bad as 62M-1 vs. Leopard I or M60 or whichever none-stab tank for NATO that fights against 55,62 and 62M-1. 8_2 will stay as is, minus Is-7.

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1 minute ago, JohnQ11939ChtBan said:

That s fine with me.

And this is exactly why, John, there could be no constructive dialogue with you.

 

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Anyway. when lineups will be ready i will post them here. Until then

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6 hours ago, Althix said:

so far looks like this:

 

 

Shove those lineups. Again something that you have to get through your head. You and the rest of the russian clans can create a seperate server and run things there. Don t try to impose on the rest of us whatever ''plan'' you might have. 

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1 hour ago, Packal said:

What is the different?

the difference is in airplanes and ground forces. tanks like M60, Leopard I, AMX-30 will not fight against T-55. T-62, T-62M-1. There is a different event in which tanks with apfsds and stab will fight against tanks with apfsds and stab.

So the idea is to create several platforms on the base of which entire top tier of ground forces will fight on more or less equal terms. At the same time, there will be an event, in which only late props and early jets will fight. So no situations when MiG-17 would harass something like Attacker or F-80 or 262.

For example, as it now it is possible to kill 62M-1 with AMX-30 1972, but it's extremely difficult. 9_2 lineup should solve this issue, AMX-30 will fight T-54s. Basically, 9_2 lineup is a recreation of top tier event which we had 2-3 years ago.

However, there is a balancing issue for UK and JP. The report has been made about the performance of 105mm sabots, namely A392A2 and its variants. Because these sabots are underperforming.

There is also a suggestion for removal of T-54-47 from 8_2 because it has 20% more armor in the hull, has a stopping power of a heavy tank and yet 54-47 has 2 spawns.

If you have something to add, you are welcome to do so. Because as i mentioned above there is two tanks in question: Chieftain Mk.3 and STB-1 in the 9_2 event.

 

Proposal for changes in *_2 gfsb events will not be made until the release of 1.81.

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