Simulator Battles Lineup Rotation

[Panzerkasper 34]

Is7 on the 8_2 linup? I playd it in the 9_2 Linup & can go out with 6 Kills easy sure i will have my fun but the Nato rly Not.

 

[MolyOxide105 660]

1 minute ago, Panzerkasper said:

I playd it in the 9_2 Linup

it's ok there. however, an introduction of this tank to 8_2 is a bad idea. Considering the capabilities of NATO vehicles in this event, the only reliable way to kill this tank is to hit it in ammorack from the side. Which is possible but only for vehicles which are fast enough, like US tanks. But US tanks have 90mm US cannon with a very unreliable heat-fs shell.

IS-7 will slaughter NATO forces in 8_2. I have no justification of why this tank should be in 8_2.

[Smix27 586]

Brigand B1 still missing!

thanks

Edited August 14, 2018 by Smix27

[[email protected] 62]

@Smin1080p do you know that rotation of lineups is not correct now? 6_1 and 8_2 may not be in one day because many same technics there. It is bad for queues.

We need correct rotation. Here it is https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/200963-aktualnye-setapy-i-raspisanie-ssb/

[LoloPard 334]

France + USSR is so wroooooooong........

 

why you put France to fight togher with USSR? 

1st It makes no sense. France should fight for NATO not USSR...

2nd We are completly useless in USSR teams, getting teamkilled or friendly fire is not helping us grining or having fun playing that gamemode...

 

I spent some time getting AMX-40 , talisman it and now im scared to leave the spawn because ill get a shot in my back from my teammates.
Please think about the few players that want to play France in simulator...

 

[JFG80 285]

At least give us the M103 then in the 8.2 line-up. That would compensate that bad decision to put the IS7 there at least a little bit...

[John_Q_ 1,535]

36 minutes ago, LoloPard said:

getting teamkilled or friendly fire

 

Yeah, you cannot fix that. I get what they did they change, but they have to create another lineup where the french queue up with Nato. Last time I played the tank, I got teamkilled in 3-4 games in a row by t64s. Shot by teammates almost every time. 

[Packal 7,643]

IS-7 in the lowest top Event? Yeah, there is no russian BIAS...

What about to remove the captured vehicles out? Those vehicles only ruinning the gameplay

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Nothing will change in 8_2 with Is-7. Soviet side dominating on ground. And NATO dominating in air.

This lineup was balanced before Is-7 and now it is. 

This is only way to win here 

Edited August 14, 2018 by *Legion_016_

[tarks91 270]

We also had a short thread about missing/misplaced aircraft from the lineups that you can see below. 

 

But to summarise: 

 

No f4u1 in any event

 

No 190d in 5_1 (also no tempest v) 

 

No spitfire in 1_1 (axis get 5 109's and two a6m2's) and allies missing any 3.0

 

Late 42 109 f4 fights against Spitfire mk II (no spit mk V in any line-up) 

 

A couple french attackers missing, like potez 633

 

Spit fr too good for 4_1 and should be removed (replaced by xvi?) 

 

Ki 100 was in 1_1 last time I checked which is criminal, and 2_1 and 3_1

 

And of course whirlwind is completely overtired. 

 

I can't see anything else from that thread that hasn't been said already, predominantly from a British perspective bur that's my most played. 

[LoloPard 334]

@Smin1080p can u fix that? im trying to spade the tank but i cant leave the spawn.

[Smix27 586]

6 hours ago, Packal said:

What about to remove the captured vehicles out? Those vehicles only ruinning the gameplay

please, stop 

it is an old debate, too much people are against and in favor of captured tanks. 
If you are not able to identify an ennemy tank, shoot with 7,7. If damage cam appears : ennemy, if not : ally. 

About TK on amx40 what should they do? remove french from russian side? Do you remember japanese tanks release? German teamkilling every where... Yhe only weapon against that is waiting. Waiting that T6 players learn a bit more the rules.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Smix27

[MolyOxide105 660]

2 hours ago, LoloPard said:

 can u fix that?

Smin can fix idiocy? hmm. is he a god of some kind?

Let me get it straight. You can't fix idiocy of players for soviet side. They can't be bothered to check how AMX-40 looks like. I have no idea how dumb a person must be to mistake AMX-40 with something else.

[Smix27 586]

2 minutes ago, Althix said:

They can't be bothered to check how AMX-40 looks like. I have no idea how dumb a person must be to mistake AMX-40 with something else.

it is not idiocy, it is the same problem as german had with japanese. used to see the same tanks, they now must realizes that USSR do not fight alone against nato. 
Human do not like changes. 

[MolyOxide105 660]

2 minutes ago, Smix27 said:

used to see the same tanks

if a person is a slave of habits, it means said person does not give himself an account of his actions. and i'm not exactly sure that idiocy is actually worse in such context.

[Smix27 586]

learning is a difficult task. Look at John, after 5 years of war thunder, did he change his mind about russian tanks? And he is a civilized euro...

Edited August 14, 2018 by Smix27

[MolyOxide105 660]

25 minutes ago, Smix27 said:

learning is a difficult task.

look. i can safely assume that 50% of my deaths with AMX-40 is due to FF. When we were playing 64B we actually went to the hangar, studied AMX-40. Because even if we are rude mf, we actually value the time of other players. Why other players can't do the same is beyond me.

[Smix27 586]

23 minutes ago, Althix said:

Why other players can't do the same is beyond me.

Because many players don't mind about others. It is a bit normal. Indeed, if you wan't to play to a game, it is not to care about others (real life issue).

Take alexanderEllis : he don't mind about teamkill, the only thing he want, is to have no penalties about TK. 

Study is not playing. 

However this game in sim is so complexe that you need to learn all the tank in order to not teamkill. 

 

+ higher level always have been full of RB players, so they don't know the lineups 

[Tantor57 10,318]

@Stona @Smin1080p

 

In the 9_2 line up, there is AMX30B2 missing which is the 8.3 BR MBT despite the Brennus being accessible finally in this event.

 

The AMX 13 HOT is also missing when every other nation has access to their SACLOS ATGMS, so should France.

 

In the 8_2 line up, well, i do not know who's in charge of SB line ups but adding the IS7 to that event (Which is NOT  the SUPER RARE EVENT TANK you intended it to be) is completely off balance because NATO does not have a tank that can counter the IS7.... Its largely immune to all guns it can encounter frontally, moves faster than 80% of what it faces and therefore can hardly be flanked, and can simply lol click anything in its path but the Maus which is totally outclassed by this vehicle.... 

 

This tank being available in this event is as silly as if the Tiger II (H) would be available in the (not sure) 5_2 event where the best heavies actually are The Tiger 1 E  and the IS1....

 

I can tell you that no NATO player will play this event, the T54-47 and IS4m were more than enough to keep the pace with what NATO has at its disppsal in this event...

 

Now if the IS7 is here to stay, add tanks that can effectively fight the IS7 such as the STB1, Leopard 1, M103, AMX 30 Mod 72.

 

Im not too worried that this will remain as it is because i even doubt one can play a game in his IS7 in this event without spending 45 mins in queue to end up having a boring 5 vs 5 ....

 

For the sake of balance and fun on both sides the IS7 must be taken out of this rotation...

 

Your are doing the same IS6 mistake again when it was available in the 7_2 event and destroyed anything in its path ....

 

And while we are at it, i find it disturbing to me that the person(s) (maybe there are several of them) in charge of line ups in SB seem to be, at least, partially independent from the dev team. Balance is SB should be treated the same way as balance in AB and RB and should be handled by the developpers or at least by some sort of a council whose members would also be accessible and visible on the international forum.

 

Late managment dies not seem to be taken seriously by the people in charge of it either... It took 8 months to finally have an AMX 30 other than the Mod 72  that is finally playable in SB and the 30B2 is still nowhere to be found as noted at the beginning of my post same for the amx 13 hot... is there a reason to that or is it the result of something that is actually taken lightly by the person whos in charge of it ? I have my opinion of the subject... 

 

Either way SB managment have to be changed or the persons in charge of it should be warned and told to do their job in more serious way because its one whole aspect and community of the game we are talking about and this should not be taken lightly.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Tantor57

[John_Q_ 1,535]

5 hours ago, Tantor57 said:

In the 9_2 line up, there is AMX30B2 missing which is the 8.3 BR MBT despite the Brennus being accessible finally in this event.

 

 

Chieftain mk10 is also missing. But forgetting the amx 30b2, while adding the Brennus, shows that whoever is in charge implemented a list given to him by the russian clans. Without examining, in a serious manner, its content.   Russian clans are running the SIM lineups from what it seems. Including Lex, a clan with multiple cheating cases. This is ugly what is going on. 

 

IS7 being added to 8.2 is not even funny. The lineup was dead for nato due to several factors, like multiple tier 4 vehicles going against the t54 47/906s and the is4. APDS from british guns was horrific and still is (it s been 3 years now with how apds is). HESH was nerfed because of a bogus report submitted in the russian forum. 8-9 months passed in order to address the HESH issue, but the round is more than unreliable even now. The addition of the T95E1 was a good change. It was the only thing able to engage with russian armor and cause a consistent amount of damage. It enraged russian clans, they could nt press W anymore to gain a win. Now they had to avoid a head2head confrontation with this tank. The russians spammed threads, even here in the international forum. The tank got removed. WITHOUT the removal of the 906 for a period of time, till they removed it alongside the vickers mbt (because OPNATOAPDS) .

 

It s a mess. They said that they removed the AMX 40 +Nato lineup due to balance issues, setting aside that you took the best round nato has and gave it to the russian side, you simply cannot use the balance argument. All while ignoring for years lineups as the 8.2 .

Edited August 15, 2018 by JohnQ11939ChtBan

[Panzerkasper 34]

Edited August 15, 2018 by Panzerkasper

[MolyOxide105 660]

^ yep. did a few games, closed the game. 21 seconds to kill 54, 28 seconds to kill Is-4. Is-7... well i had an opportunity to take a shot in the side of that thing. Penned, orange ammorack, -2 crew. He wasted me with a single shot.

I did more kills with F8F-1B than with M46. The difference in time-to-kill is killing NATO tanks in this event. For example, i took 54-47 for a ride, 1 shot 1 kill :S.

M! I could've grind Cent.Mk.10 and plane for this event specifically ~ in a week. But L28A1 struggle as well against 54-47, IS-4 and 268.  I see little point in that. Brits no longer can carry this event for NATO.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Althix

[Panzerkasper 34]

its getting better 

[MolyOxide105 660]

2 minutes ago, Panzerkasper said:

its getting better 

russian prime time in 3 hrs.

[_Rza 87]

They are not all russians, there are players from 11_2 nato too.