Independent Swedish Air forces tree

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Sweden in War Thunder

 

Hello everyone! This is a suggestion for an independant Swedish air force tech tree in War Thunder which has been created in collaboration with Sp15’s independant Swedish ground forces tree:

 

Sweden has previously been suggested in several other trees by many people. The most popular of these have been an international tech tree and a combined tree with Finland and other nordic countries.  

 

Now, why should Sweden get their own air force tech tree? Well it's simple. A Swedish tech tree would contain a lot of unique and historically significant aircraft, at least from a technical standpoint as Sweden never officially joined WW2 nor any other war since. Moreover, the Swedish Air Force was at one point the fourth largest force of its type in the entire world, being outnumbered only by the air forces of the USA, Great Britain and USSR. Sweden has also produced multiple technologically advanced aircraft and continue doing this today. 

 

Some of you might know that Gaijin has previously mentioned Swedish planes and vehicles. In the devblog for the CL-13 and ✙Mig-15 years ago they mentioned that they originally looked into implementing the Swedish SAAB 29 as a German top tier jet, but later decided to go with the CL-13 and Mig-15 as they were more historical. This shows that there are at least some interest from Gaijins side to implement Swedish aircraft into the game. In the Shooting Range Episode 67 the host is stating that “Sweden had some great machines of their own but not enough to give them a separate tech tree”. 

 

Now it is true that Sweden if implemented will have the smallest air tech tree in the game but it will definitely have enough machines to be a full tech tree. So basically this thread is here to disprove that statement, and in the process outline how a Swedish tree could be built. The suggested tree consist of no less than four lines dominated by domestic designs and includes plenty of interesting premium aircraft:

 

 

Line 1: Domestic fighter line

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Tier 1

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{{J 6 stacked}}

Official designation:  J 6
Manufacturer designation: SA 14 Jaktfalk I
Manufacturer: Svenska Aero (SA)
Armament:
2 x 6,5 mm ksp m/22
(upgrade)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 300 km/h
Battle rating: Reserve
Comment: Performance similar to the He 51.

 

Official designation:  J 6A
Manufacturer designation: SA 14 Jaktfalk II
Manufacturer: Svenska Aero (SA)
Armament:
2 x 6,5 mm ksp m/22
(upgrade)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 310 km/h
Battle rating: Reserve
Comment: Performance similar to the He 51.

 

Official designation:  J 6B
Manufacturer designation: ASJA SA 14 Jaktfalk II
Manufacturer: AB Svenska Järnvägsverkstädernas aeroplanavdelning (ASJA)
Armament:
2 x 6,5 mm ksp m/22
(upgrade)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 310 km/h
Battle rating: Reserve
Comment:
Performance similar to the He 51
{{J 6 stacked}}

 

Tier 2

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Official designation: J 22 (unknown if A or B)
Suggested in game designation: J 22 (RBv) (Reducerad beväpning, reduced armament)
Manufacturer designation: FFVS J 22 (model unknown?)
Manufacturer: Flygförvaltningens Flygverkstad Stockholm (FFVS)
Armament: 
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 575-590 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: Obscure variant with different armament compared to the standard models, so far based on rumors but similar cases have been proven with other fighter planes.

 

{{J 22A stacked}}

Official designation: J 22A
Manufacturer designation: FFVS J 22-2
Manufacturer: Flygförvaltningens Flygverkstad Stockholm (FFVS)
Armament: 
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 575-590 km/h
Battle rating: 2.7

 

Official designation: J 22A
Suggested in game designation: J 22A Mod 50
Manufacturer designation: FFVS J 22-2
Manufacturer: Flygförvaltningens Flygverkstad Stockholm (FFVS)
Armament: 
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
2 x 12,7 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 575-590 km/h
Battle rating: 2.7
Comment: All J 22’s where rearmed with rebarreled akan m/39’s around 1950 due to cheaper ammunition.
{{J 22A stacked}}

Tier 3

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{{J 22B stacked}}

Official designation:  J 22B
Manufacturer designation: FFVS J 22-2
Manufacturer: Flygförvaltningens Flygverkstad Stockholm (FFVS)
Armament: 
4 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 575-590 km/h
Battle rating: 3.3

 

Official designation:  J 22B
Suggested in game designation: J 22B Mod 50
Manufacturer designation: FFVS J 22-2
Manufacturer: Flygförvaltningens Flygverkstad Stockholm (FFVS)
Armament: 
4 x 12,7 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 575-590 km/h
Battle rating: 3.0
Comment: All J 22’s where rearmed with rebarreled akan m/39’s around 1950 due to cheaper ammunition.

{{J 22B stacked}}

 

Official designation:  J 21A-1
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/41 (60 rpg) ‘HS.404’ (Swedish manufacture which was more reliable)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 635 km/h
Battle rating: 3.7

Tier 4

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Official designation:  J 21A-2
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (140 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 650 km/h
Battle rating: 4.3

 

Official designation:  J 21B
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
3 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (140 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 700+ km/h
Battle rating: 5.3
Comment: Paper plane, but necessary paper plane as there isnt any other super prop available. It’s basically just a J 21A with 100-octane fuel, new canopy and new armament. Other examples, like the Ho 229 and R2Y2 weren't built as they're seen in-game either but they are anyway. 

 

Tier 5

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Official designation:  J 21RA
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (140 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 800 km/h
Battle rating: 6.7

 

{{J 29 stacked}}

Official designation:  J 29A
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 29
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
4 x 20 mm akan m/47C (180 rpg)
12 x 75 mm AA rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 1060 km/h
Battle rating: 8.0

 

Official designation:  J 29B
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 29
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
4 x 20 mm akan m/47C (180 rpg)
12 x 75 mm AA rockets
8 x 80 mm AP rockets
8-14 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8-14 x 150 mm HE rockets
2-4 x 18 cm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 1060 km/h
Battle rating: 9.0
{{J 29 stacked}}

 

Official designation:  J 29E
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 29
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
4 x 20 mm akan m/47C (180 rpg)
12 x 75 mm AA rockets
8 x 80 mm AP rockets
8-14 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8-14 x 150 mm HE rockets
2-4 x 18 cm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 1060 km/h
Battle rating: 9.0
Comment: J 29B with dogtooth wings to increase the critical mach number.

 

 

Line 2: Foreign fighter line

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Tier 1

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{{J 8 stacked}}
Official designation:  J 8
Manufacturer designation: Gloster Gladiator Mk I
Manufacturer: Gloster Aircraft Company
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 375 km/h
Battle rating: 1.0
Comment: Swedish version of the Gloster Gladiator Mk I. They were all armed with Swedish machine guns.

 

Official designation:  J 8A
Manufacturer designation: Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Manufacturer: Gloster Aircraft Company
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 410 km/h
Battle rating: 1.3
Comment: Swedish version of the Gloster Gladiator Mk II. They were all armed with Swedish machine guns.
{{J 8 stacked}}

 

Official designation:  J 9 
Suggested in game designation: J 9 (RBv) (Reducerad beväpning, reduced armament)
Manufacturer designation: Seversky EP-106
Manufacturer: Seversky Aircraft Company
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 520 km/h
Battle rating: 1.7
Comment: At least two J 9’s where armed with 4 machine guns.

Tier 2

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{{J 9 stacked}}

Official designation:  J 9
Manufacturer designation: Seversky EP-106
Manufacturer: Seversky Aircraft Company
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (400 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (200 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 520 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: The J 9 was the Swedish variant of the Seversky P-35. it had a new engine among other things. Half of all ordered J 9’s where confiscated by the US due to an embargo on Sweden and used as trainers under the designation P-35A.

 

Official designation:  J 9 
Suggested in game designation: J 9 Mod 44
Manufacturer designation: Seversky EP-106
Manufacturer: Seversky Aircraft Company
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (400 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (200 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 520 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: In 1944 all J 9’s were modified with an elongated upper nose air intake
{{J 9 stacked}}

 

{{J 10 stacked}}

Official designation: J 10
Manufacturer designation: Vultee V-49C
Manufacturer: Vultee Aircraft
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (225 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 547 km/h
Battle rating: 2.7
Comment: Sweden was meant to be the original user of the Vultee P-66, then known as the Vultee V-49C. Due to an embargo on Sweden by the US all planes were confiscated and used as trainers or donated to China.

 

Official designation: 
Suggested in game designation: J 10 Mod S
Manufacturer designation: Vultee V-49C
Manufacturer: Vultee Aircraft
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (225 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 550-560 km/h
Battle rating: 2.7
Comment: Sweden planned to modify the J 10 with a new engine cover and a nose cone.
{{J 10 stacked}}

Tier 3

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Official designation:  J 26
Suggested in game designation: J 26 (B-7)
Manufacturer designation: P-51B-7-NA
Manufacturer: North American Aviation
Armament: 
4 x 12,7 mm akan m/45 (315 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 703 km/h at 7620 m
Battle rating: 4.3

Tier 4

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Official designation:  J 26
Suggested in game designation: J 26 (D-5)
Manufacturer designation: P-51D-5-NA
Manufacturer: North American Aviation
Armament: 
6 x 12,7 mm akan m/45 (rpg: same as in game)
Performance:
Max speed: 703 km/h at 7620 m
Battle rating: 4.3

 

Official designation:  J 26
Suggested in game designation: J 26 (D-20)
Manufacturer designation: P-51D-20-NA
Manufacturer: North American Aviation
Armament: 
6 x 12,7 mm akan m/45 (rpg: same as in game)
Bombs:
2 x 50 kg bombs of swedish design was tested, the bomb pylons could carry up to 350 kg
Rockets:
Unknown amount of rockets was tested
Performance:
Max speed: 703 km/h at 7620 m
Battle rating: 4.7

 

 

Line 3: Attacker line

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Tier 1

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{{B 4 stacked}}

Official designation: B 4A
Manufacturer designation: ASJA Hawker Hart
Manufacturer: AB Svenska Järnvägsverkstädernas aeroplanavdelning (ASJA)
Armament:
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22R (defensive)
Bombs:
12 x 12 kg bombs
12 x 12 kg bombs + 2 x 50 kg bombs
4 x 50 kg bombs
2 x 100 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 262 km/h
Battle rating 1.0
Comment: The B 4A is a Swedish licensed built variant of the Hawker hart. Like the B 4 it is equipped with a radial engine, although stronger and have Swedish machine guns and bombs. It was also used as a dive bomber.

 

Official designation: B 4B
Manufacturer designation: ASJA Hawker Hart
Manufacturer: AB Svenska Järnvägsverkstädernas aeroplanavdelning (ASJA)
Armament:
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22R (defensive)
Bombs:
12 x 12 kg bombs
12 x 12 kg bombs + 2 x 50 kg bombs
4 x 50 kg bombs
2 x 100 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 270 km/h
Battle rating: 1.0
Comment: B 4B featured a stronger engine and a new more aerodynamic engine cover.

 

Official designation: B 5B
Manufacturer designation: SAAB B 5
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg) (defensive)
Bombs: max 800 kg
Belly:
7 x 50 kg bombs
1 x 250 kg bomb (bombfork)
1 x 500 kg bomb (bombfork)
Internal:
12 x 12 kg bombs
Wings:
4x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 332 km/h
Rate of climb: 2.5 min to 1.000 m, 7.5 min till 3.000 m
Battle rating: 1.7
Comment: The B 5B was a Swedish license built Northrop Model 8 bomber. The Swedish version had several changes made to it but the major ones were a new cockpit, engine and a dive bombing sight.

 

Official designation: B 5C
Manufacturer designation: SAAB B 5
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg) (defensive)
Bombs: max 800 kg
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb (bomb fork)
1 x 500 kg bomb (bomb fork)
Internal:
2 x 50 kg bombs
Wings:
4x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 335 km/h
Rate of climb: 2.5 min to 1.000 m, 7.5 min till 3.000 m
Battle rating: 1.7
Comment: The C variant had new bomb mounts and a nose cone added.
{{B 5 stacked}}

 

{{SAAB 17B stacked}}
Official designation: S 17BS
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 17
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg) (defensive)
Bombs: max 450 kg
Belly:
5 x 50 kg bombs
Wings:
4 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 345 km/h
Battle rating: 1.3
Comment: Equipped with floats and does not have a dive bombing sight.

 

Official designation: B 17B
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 17
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg) (defensive)
Bombs: max 500 kg
Internal:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb (bomb fork)
1 x 500 kg bomb (bomb fork)
Wings:
4 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 395 km/h
Battle rating: 1.7
Comment: Has an old bombsight m/41 for dive bombing.
{{SAAB 17 stacked}}

 

Tier 2

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Official designation: B 17C
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 17
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg) (defensive)
Bombs: max 700 kg
Internal:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
1 x 500 kg bomb
Wings:
4 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 433 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: Has a new bombsight m/42B for dive bombing which eradicates the need for a bomb fork.

 

Official designation: B 17A
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 17
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (500 rpg)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg) (defensive)
Bombs: max 500 kg
Internal:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
1 x 500 kg bomb
Wings:
4 x 50 kg bombs
Rockets:
4 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
4 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3)
Performance:
Max speed: 444 km/h
Battle rating: 2.3

 

Tier 3

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Official designation: J 30
Manufacturer designation: de Havilland Mosquito Mk XIX
Manufacturer: de Havilland
Armament: 
4x 20 mm akan m/46A
Performance:
Max speed: 600 km/h
Battle rating: 4.3
Comment: A mosquito Mk XIX equipped for night fighting for night fighting modified with 4 bladed propellers.

 

Tier 4

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Official designation:  B 18B
Suggested in game designation: B 18B Mod 50
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18B
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
Bombs: max 1500 kg
Internal:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Rockets:
Wings:
8 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8 x 150 mm HE rockets
Nose:
4 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
4 x 150 mm HE rockets
2 x 180 mm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 590 km/h
Battle rating: 5.0
Comment: Around 1950 all B 18B’s were modified and re-designated as attackers, although this didn't affect the name of the plane. The crew was lowerd to two due to the addition of ejection seats and the signalist's defencive cannon was removed. The fixed cannon was re-barreled to 12.7 mm caliber. To fill the attacker role its main armament became rockets although the old bomb alternatives remained. There are rumours of modifications like two fixed 12.7 mm cannons and even a 37 mm autocannon but no real proof have been found.

 

Official designation: T 18B
Suggested in game designation: B 18B Mod 50
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18B
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
2 x 20 mm akan m/41 (60 rpg) “HS.404” (Swedish manufacture which was more reliable)
Load: max 1500 kg
Internal loadouts:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs
1 x 1000 kg bomb
1 x 57 mm akan m/47 (41 rpg)
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Rockets:
Wings:
8 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8 x 150 mm HE rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 600 km/h
Battle rating: 5.3
Comment: Around 1950 all T 18B’s were modified and re-designated as attackers, although this didn't affect the name of the plane. They got ejection seats which lowered the crew to 2 and had the signalists defencive cannon removed. The fixed 13.2 mm cannon was rebarreled to 12.7 mm caliber. To fill the attacker role its main armament became rockets although the old bomb alternatives remained.

{{J/A 21A stacked}}

 

Official designation:  J 21A-3
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (140 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Bombs: max 700 kg
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
1 x 500 kg bomb
1 x 600 kg bomb
Wings:
2 x 50 kg
4 x 50 kg
Rockets:
4 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
4 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3) 
Performance:
Max speed: 560 km/h (this speed if probably with bombs or rockets loaded)
Battle rating: 4.7
Comment: The J 21A-3 was the attacker version of the J 21A-2. It was equipped with the dive bombsight m/42B and was able to equip a bunch of bombs and rockets. This is basically the early version but with an original designation.

 

Official designation:  A 21A
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (140 rpg)
2 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Load: max 700 kg
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
1 x 500 kg bomb
1 x 600 kg bomb
1 x bombkapsel “paddan” (gunpod “the toad”) 8 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (1000 rpg)
Wings:
2 x 50 kg
4 x 50 kg
4 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
4 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3) 
8 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8 x 150 mm HE rockets
2 x 180 mm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 560 km/h (this speed if probably with bombs or rockets loaded)
Battle rating: 4.7
Comment: The J 21A-3 renamed to A 21A with the second batch to fit the plane’s role better. It was soon upgraded to be able to equip new rockets and had its13.2 mm cannons re-barreled to 12.7 mm. This is basically the late version but with an original designation.
{{J/A 21A stacked}}

 

Tier 5

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Official designation:  A 21RB
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (140 rpg)
2 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Load:
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
1 x 500 kg bomb
1 x 600 kg bomb
1 x bombkapsel “paddan” (gunpod, “the toad”) 8 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (1000 rpg)
10 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
10 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3) 
10 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
10 x 150 mm HE rockets
5 x 180 mm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 930 km/h
Battle rating: 6.7

 

Official designation: J 28B
Manufacturer designation: de Havilland Vampire FB Mk. 50
Manufacturer: de Havilland
Armament: 
4 x 20 mm akan m/47B
Rockets:
8 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
8 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3) 
8 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8 x 150 mm HE rockets
4 x 180 mm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: ~952.92 km/h
Battle rating: 7.3
Comment: Regular vampire mk.V but with the ability to equip Swedish rockets. It was used an an attacker for several years since it became outdated as a fighter rather fast.

 

Official designation:  A 32A
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 32
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
4 x 20 mm akan m/49 Bofors (180 rpg)
Bombs and rocket:
Too much to write, check these schemes
Normal:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cz67_c6Q4lN2XyTfU5h4UJ0OYNp7bWMk/view?usp=sharing
Special:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ae2j2lJqIsjaV2G6z9CEA3fOKdYj5h5l/view?usp=sharing
Performance:
Max speed: 1125 km/h (mach 0,91)
Battle rating: 9.0

 

Line 4: Bomber line

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Tier 1

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{{B 3 stacked}}

Official designation: B 3C
Manufacturer designation: SAAB B 3
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
3 x 8 mm ksp m/22R (defensive)
Bombs: max 1000 kg
64 x 12 kg bombs
16 x 50 kg bombs
4 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs (rumour)
Performance:
Max speed: 360 km/h
Battle rating: 1.3

Comment: Swedish Ju 86 modification produced under license by SAAb. 

 

Official designation: T 3D
Manufacturer designation: SAAB B 3
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
3 x 8 mm ksp m/22R (defensive)
Bombs: max 1000 kg
64 x 12 kg bombs
16 x 50 kg bombs
4 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs (rumour)
1 x 850 kg torpedo m/41 (180 kg warhead)
1 x 400 kg magnetic mine n/F:7
1 x 900 kg torpedo-shaped mine m/F:9 (launched with a parachute)
Max speed: 360 km/h
Battle rating: 1.3
Comment: 12 B 3C’s were modified to be torpedo bombers and redesignated T 3C.
{{B 3 stacked}}

 

Tier 2

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{{B 16 stacked}}

Official designation: B 16A
Manufacturer designation: Caproni Ca.313 R.P.B/S
Manufacturer: Caproni
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (550 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg) (defensive)
(upgrade)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg) (defensive)
Bomb load: max 900 kg
Internal:
32 x 12 kg bombs (4 bombs per bomblock)
8 x 50 kg bombs
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
2 x 250 kg bombs
1 x 500 kg bomb
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 445 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: Had a dive bombsight m/41 and were used as divebombers.

 

Official designation: T 16A
Manufacturer designation: Caproni Ca.313 R.P.B.T/S
Manufacturer: Caproni
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (550 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg) (defensive)
(upgrade)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg) (defensive)
Bomb load: max 900 kg
Internal:
32 x 12 kg bombs (4 bombs per bomblock)
8 x 50 kg bombs
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
2 x 250 kg bombs
1 x 500 kg bomb
1 x 850 kg torpedo m/41 (180 kg warhead)
1 x 400 kg magnetic mine n/F:7
1 x 900 kg torpedo-shaped mine m/F:9 (launched with a parachute)
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 445 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: Sweden ordered a second variant of the Ca.313 for torpedo bombing which besides the torpedo has some minor visual differences. Although in the end these were not used for torpedo bombing due to bad manufacturing quality, but in game it would be cool to have a torpedo carrying T 16B.

 

Official designation: B 18A
Suggested in game designation: B 18A (early)
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18A
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (600 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37R (defensive)
(upgrade)
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (defensive)
Bombs: max 1400 kg
Internal:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 475 km/h
Battle rating: 2.7
Comment: Not much is known about this variant. One document mentions there being B 18A’s armed with only 8 mm ksp m/22 machine guns but that might only have been some very early production examples or even the prototype. Its very likely that if these was B 18A’s with 8 mm machine guns then they would have very quickly into their service life been upgraded with 13,2 mm cannons. Also the earliest of B 18A’s probably did not have access to bomb forks and could not divebomb. More research is needed.

 

Tier 3

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Official designation: B 18A
Suggested in game designation: B 18A (late)
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18A
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (defensive)
Bombs: max 1400 kg
Internal:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs (bomb forks)
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 475 km/h
Battle rating: 3.3
Comment: The B 18A was only in active bombing service for a year but later in its life it was equipped with bomb forks and dive bombsight m/41 to be able to divebomb. Also this variant definitely had 13,2 mm cannons.

 

 

Official designation: B 18B
Suggested in game designation: B 18B (early)
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18B
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (defensive)
Bombs: max 1400 kg
Internal:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs (bomb forks)
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 575 km/h
Battle rating: 4.3
Comment: The very early production examples of B 18B had 2 defensive cannons and did not use the dive bombsight m/42B. They used the dive bombsight m/41 and bombforks.

 

Tier 4

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Official designation: B 18B
Suggested in game designation: B 18B (late)
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18B
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (defensive)
Bombs: max 1500 kg
Internal:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Rockets:
Wings:
8 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
8 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3)
Nose:
4 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
4 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3)
Performance:
Max speed: 590 km/h
Battle rating: 4.7
Comment: The later production examples of B 18B had the lower defensive cannon removed and finally equipped the dive bombsight m/42B. The tail was also strengthened which helped with bombning as higher speeds. The B 18B was also able to equip rockets. Unlike the Mod 50 it used earlier rockets of british origin (RP-3).

 

Official designation: T 18B
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 12.7 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
2 x 20 mm akan m/41 (60 rpg) ‘HS.404’ (Swedish manufacture which was more reliable)
Load: max 1500 kg
Internal loadouts:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs
1 x 1000 kg bomb
1 x 53 cm 950 kg torpedo
1 x 57 mm akan m/47 (41 rpg)
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 600 km/h
Battle rating: 5.0

 

Tier 5

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Official designation: SK 60B
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 105
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
2 x 30 mm akan m/55 (gun pods)

12 x 13,5 cm rockets

6 x armour piercing rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 770 km/h
Battle rating: 6.7

 

 

Premium line

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Tier 1

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Official designation: SA 14E
Manufacturer designation: SA 14E Jaktfalk II
Manufacturer: Svenska Aero (SA)
Armament:
2 x 7.7 mm Colt M1919
Performance:
Max speed: 310 km/h
Battle rating: 1.0 (pre-order)
Comment: Export model for Norway. Our pick for a pre-order tier 1.

 

Official designation: J 7
Manufacturer designation: Bristol Bulldog Mk IIA
Manufacturer: Bristol Aeroplane Company
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 287 km/h
Battle rating: 1.0
Comment: Swedish variant of the Bristol Bulldog Mk IIA.

 

Official designation: Iacobi’s J 8A
Manufacturer designation: Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Manufacturer: Gloster Aircraft Company
Armament:
4 x 8 mm ksp m/22
Performance:
Max speed: 410 km/h
Battle rating: 1.3
Comment: This aircraft was flown by the first Swedish pilot to score an air to air kill. He shot down a Russian I-15bis as part of 19th Air Regiment composed of Swedish volunteers and aircraft donated by the Swedish government to aid Finland during the Winter War.

 

Official designation: J 11
Manufacturer designation: CR.42 Falco
Manufacturer: Fiat
Armament:
2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT (400 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 388 km/h
Battle rating: 1.3
Comment: Purchased as military aid for Finland in 1940 but used by the Swedish Air Force due to the end of the Winter War. 

 

Official designation: S 10
Manufacturer designation: Bre 694
Manufacturer: Breguet
Armament:
Armament currently unknown but most likely:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37R (defensive)
or
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (based on its replacement the S 13)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37R (defensive)
Performance:
Max speed: ca 500 km/h
Battle rating: 1.7
Comment: 12 Bre 694 (export variant of the Bre 693) were being built according to Swedish specifications but were canceled due to the start of the war. 

 

Official designation: B 3 (Nr.131)
Manufacturer designation: Ju 86K-1/S
Manufacturer: Junkers
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (defensive)
1 x 20 mm akan m/37 (defensive) (prototype cannon that would become the Bofors akan m/40)
Bombs: max 1000 kg
64 x 12 kg bombs
16 x 50 kg bombs
4 x 250 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 360 km/h
Battle rating: 1.7
Comment: One of the first three B 3s manufactured for the Swedish Air Force after being equipped with a prototype Bofors 20 mm autocannon in a rotating turret. 

 

Tier 2

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Official designation: B 6
Manufacturer designation: Seversky 2PA
Manufacturer: Seversky Aircraft Company
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg)
(possible upgrade as it was planned originally)
4 x 13,2 mm akan m/39
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (300 rpg)
Bombs:
Belly:
4 x 50 kg bombs
1 x 250 kg bomb
Wings:
6 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 472-485 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0

 

Official designation: J 20
Manufacturer designation: Re.2000 Serie 1
Manufacturer: Reggiane
Armament:
2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT (300 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 500 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0

 

Official designation: S 16A
Manufacturer designation: Caproni Ca.313
Manufacturer: Caproni
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (550 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg) (defensive)
(upgrade)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg) (defensive)
Bomb load: max 900 kg
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb
2 x 250 kg bombs
1 x 500 kg bomb
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 445 km/h
Battle rating: 2.0
Comment: The B 16’s where later in their life modified into recon planes where the internal bomb bay was replaced with extra fuel tanks. Al though photographic evidence suggests that they where still used for bombing sometimes afterward. Considering the extra fuel tanks than they could only mount the external bombs.

 

Official designation: B 26
Manufacturer designation: Fokker G-1 Mercury
Manufacturer: Fokker
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (1000 rpg)
13,2 mm akan m/39 (500 rpg)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg)
Bombs: max 550 kg
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb (bomb fork)
8 x 50 kg bombs
Wings:
4x 50 kg
Performance:
Max speed: ca 500 km/h
Battle rating: 2.7
Comment: 18 G-1s were originally ordered with specific Swedish modifications to be dive bombers, this order was later planned to be extended to 83-95 but no G-1 aircraft were ever delivered. A mockup of the Swedish variant was built by Fokker before the German invasion. The Swedish variant was to use BMW engines and the fuselage used the larger measurements along with strengthened wings, dive brakes and a bomb bay.

 

Official designation: S 13
Manufacturer designation: Fokker G-1 Mercury
Manufacturer: Fokker
Armament:
2 x 8 mm ksp m/22 (1000 rpg)
13,2 mm akan m/39 (500 rpg)
1 x 8 mm ksp m/22-37r (800 rpg)
Bombs: max 550 kg
Belly:
1 x 250 kg bomb (bomb fork)
8 x 50 kg bombs
Wings:
4x 50 kg
Performance:
Max speed: ca 500 km/h
Battle rating: 2.3
Comment: 12 of the original 18 ordered B 26s were re-designated as S 13 and where to replace the cancelled S 10 (Bre 694) and become recon planes with a number of modifications, mainly being lowered armament and a glass tub. The tub could be replaced with a regular bomb bay though. It where to keep the dive brakes and strengthened wings to become secondary bombers.

 

Tier 3

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Official designation: J 22B Mod 50 “Röda blixten”
Manufacturer designation: FFVS J 22-2
Manufacturer: Flygförvaltningens Flygverkstad Stockholm (FFVS)
Armament: 
4 x 12,7 mm akan m/39 (250 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 575-590 km/h
Battle rating: 3.0
Comment: J 22B with distinctive paint scheme and name for the 25th anniversary of F 3. It was painted red with a white lightning on the side and and was called Röda Blixten “The red lightning”. After the anniversary it kept the paint and name since it looked cool as hell while the type was obsolete, only staying in service for a few more years. 

 

Official designation: SAAB L-21
Manufacturer designation: SAAB L-21
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
1 x 20 mm akan m/41 (60 rpg) ‘HS.404’ (Swedish manufacture which was more reliable)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (wings) (325 rpg)
2 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (nose) (350 rpg)
Performance:
Max speed: 630 km/h
Battle rating: 3.7
Comment: Prototype for the SAAB 21. Had more rounded rudders.

 

Official designation: B 18B “Röd David”
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (300 rpg)
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (defensive)
Bombs: max 1500 kg
Internal:
10 x 50 kg bombs
3 x 250 kg bombs
2 x 500 kg bombs
Wings:
8 x 50 kg bombs
Rockets:
Wings:
8 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
8 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3)
Nose:
4 x 80 mm AP rockets (RP-3)
4 x 150 mm HE rockets (RP-3)
Performance:
Max speed: 590 km/h
Battle rating: 4.7
Comment: The sole surviving B 18 today. It survived on the bottom of a lake for 50 years.

 

Tier 4

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Official designation: T 18B “Dubbel 40”
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 18
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament:
2 x 20 mm akan m/45 Bofors (130 rpg)
2 x 40 mm akan m/36 Bofors
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39
1 x 13,2 mm akan m/39 (defensive)
Bombs:
Wings:
10 x 50 kg bombs
Performance:
Max speed: 600 km/h
Battle rating: 5.0
Comment: Our pick for a tier 4 pre order. This was a stage in the development of the T 18B. Not much is known but it was tested with two 40 mm Bofors AA guns in the place of its otherwise iconic 57 mm. The name “Dubbel 40” quite literally meant double 40. The 20 mm guns are unknown but they are likely 20 mm akan m/45 cannons with 130 rpg as that was the gun and ammo count that was in the specifications for the plane during development.

 

Official designation:  J 26
Suggested in game designation: J 26 26031 “Blå Niklas”
Manufacturer designation: P-51D-20-NA
Manufacturer: North American Aviation
Armament: 
6 x 12,7 mm akan m/45 (rpg: same as in game)
Performance:
Max speed: 703 km/h at 7620 m
Battle rating: 4.7 (pre-order)
Comment: This J 26, known as Blå Niklas, was the only J 26 based on the D-20 that was painted in Swedish green and kept it. It was also apparently the fastest Mustang in the Swedish air force.

 

Tier 5

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Official designation: J 28A
Manufacturer designation: de Havilland Vampire F Mk. 1
Manufacturer: de Havilland
Armament: 
4 x 20 mm akan m/46A
Performance:
Max speed: 840 km/h
Battle rating: 7.0 (event)
Comment: The J 28A is the Swedish variant of the British Vampire Mk I. It is unique though as it uses Hispano MK II guns, designated Akan m/46A in Sweden, and Sweden quickly into its service life cut its wings to almost Mk V standard, just a couple of centimeters off.

 

Official designation:  J 29B (FBv) (Förbättrad beväpning, improved armament)
Manufacturer designation: SAAB 29B
Manufacturer: Svenska Aeroplanaktiebolaget (SAAB)
Armament: 
4 x 30 mm akan m/55 (90 rpg)
12 x 75 mm AA rockets
8 x 80 mm AP rockets
8-14 x 145 mm HEAT rockets
8-14 x 150 mm HE rockets
2-4 x 18 cm SAP rockets
Performance:
Max speed: 1060 km/h
Battle rating: 9.0 (event)

 

 

Potential helicopter line

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Suggested in game designation: HKP 3 BANTAM
Manufacturer designation: Augusta Bell 204B
Manufacturer: Augusta Bell
Armament: 
4 x rb 53 BANTAM (MCLOS)
Performance:
Max speed: 180 km/h

Comment: HKP 3 equipped with BANTAM ATGMs for trials. 

 

Official designation: HKP 9A
Manufacturer designation: MBB Bo 105-CB-3
Manufacturer: Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm
Armament: 
4 x rb 55 TOW (SACLOS)
Performance:
Max speed: 185 km/h

Comment: HKP 9 variant acquired to fill the role of an anti-tank helicopter using electronics developed by SAAB. 

 

Suggested in game designation: HKP 9A (FBv)
Manufacturer designation: MBB Bo 105-CB-3
Manufacturer: Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm
Armament: 
8 x rb 55 TOW (SACLOS)
Performance:
Max speed: 185 km/h

Comment: Prototype equipped with twice the number of ATGMs compared to the regular HKP 9A.

 Armament:

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Guns
6,5 mm ksp m/22: The first variant of the ksp m/22, this was a Swedish variant of the Colt m1919, or more specifically the 7,62 mm AN/M2 (army/navy) aircraft variant.
7.7 mm Colt M1919: Norwegian variant of the Colt m1919. Fired the 7.7 mm .303 British cartridge.
8 mm ksp m/22: Upgraded ksp m/22. This is the fixed belt fed variant. Existed in right and left fed variants, ‘m/22Fh’ and ‘m/22Fv’, for ‘Fast höger’ (Fixed right) and ‘Fast vänster’ (Fixed left).
8 mm ksp m/22R: Defensive variant. Had a double grip and mainly used drum magazines.
8 mm ksp m/22-37R: Defensive variant. Had a single grip and at the start mainly used saddle magazines. Although fairly quickly into its service life it became belt fed on most planes who used it such as the B 17’s.
13,2 mm akan m/39: Fixed and defensiva auto cannon. Akan m/39’s where built by Belgian FN-Herstal, while m/39A’s were built by Swedish Ericsson, also known as LME. The m/39 and m/39A did differ slightly and could act as upgrades, similarly to the British hispano cannons of several mods and years.
12,7 mm akan m/39: Re-barreled 13,2 mm akan m/39.
12,7 mm akan m/45: Swedish designation for the 12,7 mm AN/M2, aircraft m2 browning mg.
12,7 mm ksp m/40: Swedish designation for the Italian 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun used in the J 11 and J 20 fighters, same as the one already in-game. 
20 mm akan m/37: Prototype 20 mm cannon only used on the first B 3 that came to Sweden.
20 mm akan m/41: Swedish designation for the HS.404 autocannon. Some were manufactured in Sweden and where apparently more reliable than the original Swiss built ones.
20 mm akan m/45 Bofors: Swedish belt fed autocannon.
20 mm akan m/46A: Swedish designation for the Hispano Mk II Mod 46.
20 mm akan m/47B: Swedish designation for the Hispano Mk V. The B only had 150 round magazines.
20 mm akan m/47C: Swedish designation for the Hispano Mk V. Some built in Sweden. The C had 180 round magazines.
20 mm akan m/49 Bofors: Upgraded akan m/45 with higher rate of fire.
57 mm akan m/47: Anti-submarine and ship autocannon used on the T 18B. Had a 40 round drum magazine but flew commonly with a chambered round adding up to 41 rounds.

 

Bombs
Coming soon™

 

Rockets
Coming soon™

 

Notes:

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On the subject of tier 6 and helicopters

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Due to Gaijin’s recent statement on the subject of supersonic aircraft and air-to-air missiles, tier 6 aircraft will not be included in the suggestion for now. Of course, Sweden has potential for tier 6 aircraft. Examples of such aircraft include the J 29F, the J 35 and the J 32B. On the other hand, helicopters have been highlighted as having potential for introduction, more so than supersonic jets, and as such they have been included in a separate line. 

 

Designations

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I’ll quickly clear up a few terms here. The terms ‘RBv’ and ‘FBv’ refer to ‘Reducerad Beväpning’ (Reduced Armament) and ‘Förbättrad Beväpning' (Improved armament) respectively. 

 

Some discrepancies can be found in the text regarding the caliber of certain weapons, where a comma is used rather than a dot. This is because commas are used in place of dots in measurements in Sweden and this carries over to official designations. 

 

Balance

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Sweden was a strict non-belligerent nation in the timeframe relevant to War Thunder. This means that Sweden could be matched with most nations without much issue in order to balance matches. This is with two exceptions however, the USSR, who has always been seen as the enemy of Sweden, as well as Japan to whom Sweden has never had any intimate relations in military matters, largely due to geographical reasons. 

 

 

Promotional:

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Videos:

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J 8 & B 3 (0:55):

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J 9:

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SAAB 17:

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SAAB 18:

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FFVS J 22:

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SAAB 21:

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J 28:

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SK 60:

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SAAB 29:

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SAAB 32:

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HKP 9A:

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User created models and skins:

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Swedish aircraft user models

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J 21A-1:
https://live.warthunder.com/post/188466/en/
J 29A:
https://live.warthunder.com/post/214882/en/

 

Swedish aircraft skins

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J 8A (Gladiator Mk II):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/182530/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/184190/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/185236/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/182506/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/183255/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/4258/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/284003/en/

J 11 (CR.42 Falco):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/423968/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/245099/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/425005/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/468565/en/

B 18A (Do 17 Z-7) (semi-historical):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/434677/en/

J 26 (P-51D):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/726067/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/652078/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/172298/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/65876/en/

J 28 (Vampire FB.5):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/313266/en/
https://live.warthunder.com/post/37554/en/

J 33 (Venom FB.4):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/84289/en/

Tp 47 (PBY-5 Catalina) (semi-historical):
https://live.warthunder.com/post/243905/en/

 

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by McPuff

[leroyonly 4,296]

Open for discussion. 

[Slipslime 660]

I really like this +1

[Delta_48 471]

+1 You really did your research for this... 

[McPuff 2,212]

Added helicopter line which might become relevant in the future based on Gaijin's statements. 

[magazine2 7,931]

Great research. 

[Vecopotryx 0]

Now with Rank 6 ground veichles maybe you can add J27 Viggen to the list (if Gajin would decide to add Rank 6 to planes too), would be epic as it's one of the legendary Swedish planes

But really, I hope Gajin decides to add Swedish planes to War Thunder and as a Swede it would be a pleasure to fly around shooting all of the russian planes :P

 

Also, great job on the research!

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Vecopotryx

[ZantaZ 11]

We need this in WT 

[Evir_ 372]

This alongside Swedish Ground forces would be an amazing addition, and would tie up some of the last fully independent forces WT could add

[Guest]

Why not? There appear to be enough aircraft to have an acceptable tree. Though achievements may be an issue, "From Sweden To Sweden I/II/III/IV/V."  But that's minor. I'd say Sweden would be on the NATO side, and world war era would probably be thrown on the Allied side (just because of the Gaijin factor). For once a "minor" military nation won't have a near-bare tech tree. I'd like to see this.

[Z3r0_ 4,126]

I wouldn't have anything against this, seeing as most of the air tree tree is made up of original designs with few if any paper projects (other than the J-21B, which to my knowledge was planned but never built).  Ground forces are a no-brainer.

 

That said, one has to wonder which side they'd be on in most battles, since Sweden was TECHNICALLY neutral during World War II and the Cold War (I say 'technically' because during World War II Sweden gave resources to whichever side seemed more likely to invade them at a given time if they refused, whether it was Germany or the USSR, and during the Cold War they were on slightly better terms with NATO than the Warsaw Pact - during the Winter War between Finland and the USSR they were DEFINITELY on Finland's side, along with the UK, Germany, and Italy).  I guess it could be selected randomly or vary depending on the map.  For example, that new Frontline map added in 1.79 (based on part of Finland) would have Sweden be on the Axis side.

Edited June 20, 2018 by Z3r0_

[PlanyKaanere 722]

Well, it's not like Gaijin really cares about historical accuracy on most cases, as evidenced by the many times where I have played Japan with US/UK vs France/Germany/USSR.

 

But IMHO, Sweden should lean to the axis side, mostly to make it four nations against four nations, and also because of the posibility of sticking Finland into the tree.

[Z3r0_ 4,126]

On 26/06/2018 at 07:00, PlanyKaanere said:

Well, it's not like Gaijin really cares about historical accuracy on most cases, as evidenced by the many times where I have played Japan with US/UK vs France/Germany/USSR.

 

But IMHO, Sweden should lean to the axis side, mostly to make it four nations against four nations, and also because of the posibility of sticking Finland into the tree.

 

I guess that's a fair argument, since Italy's going to be the 'minor Axis tree' too going by Gaijin's current plans, plus they did provide materiel support (mostly steel) for the Axis during World War II up until it became pretty clear that Germany was no longer a threat to Sweden's sovereignty.

Edited June 27, 2018 by Z3r0_

[I_NAMELESS_I 2,943]

Personally i'm more interested in Swedish ground forces but we need air forces first to have the ground forces, so yes i support this idea!

I will add Swedish as my main tree after Japan.

Edited August 30, 2018 by F1GHT_4_W4iFUs

[_Braun_ 42]

I really like your tech tree for Sweden but here’s one thing that needs to change. The Saab 29 should be at 8.0 since that’s where it will be competed with the yak 23 and g91. So pretty much the only jet I notice would be perfect for 9.0 would be the lansen since it’s pretty much a Swedish variant of the hunter.

[Panssarikolonna 1,084]

Nordic tech tree would be better.

[McPuff 2,212]

8 hours ago, Pxyr said:

I really like your tech tree for Sweden but here’s one thing that needs to change. The Saab 29 should be at 8.0 since that’s where it will be competed with the yak 23 and g91. So pretty much the only jet I notice would be perfect for 9.0 would be the lansen since it’s pretty much a Swedish variant of the hunter.

The SAAB 29 is plenty capable of acting as a 9.0 jet. It's in the same league as the F-86 and MiG-15. Among other attributes, it claimed two worlds speed world records, in 1954 and in 1955 respectively. As for Lansen, while I get what you're saying, it only really took on the fighter role properly with the update to the J 32B model which included upgraded armament and most importantly, a new engine equipped with an afterburner. The latter would make it impossible to add at the moment. As for the Hunter comparison, Sweden actually operated Hawker Hunters, or J 34 in Swedish service for some time as a stopgap in the daytime interceptor role before the J 35 entered service. Again, the J 34 was equipped with an afterburner (F.4 model) and would as such not be suitable for WT. 

 

2 hours ago, takkuta said:

Nordic tech tree would be better.

This project was actually preceded by a Scandinavian (Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Denmark) tech tree. However, that tree has with time transformed into a focus on a purely Swedish tree. This both because it was realised that Sweden could present a sufficient number of vehicles to form a relevant tree, and because single nation trees are generally preferred over multi-national ones due to practicality, design history, and politics. 

[Z3r0_ 4,126]

5 hours ago, takkuta said:

Nordic tech tree would be better.

 

Unfortunately the other Nordic nations wouldn't have enough aircraft to make up even a complete branch (not counting imports) since most of them were occupied by Germany pretty early into the war, and Finland more or less just imported everything they used.  I could see some of their more unique aircraft being premium or event planes though.

[Panssarikolonna 1,084]

Then I'm against it.

There is enough obsolete tech trees already on this game.

[McPuff 2,212]

7 hours ago, takkuta said:

Then I'm against it.

There is enough obsolete tech trees already on this game.

What makes it "obsolete" in your opinion? It has unique vehicles, historical reasons for inclusion, and is of sufficient size

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16 hours ago, takkuta said:

Then I'm against it.

There is enough obsolete tech trees already on this game.

 

wait, so your against it BECAUSE it doesn't include the other nordic nations, and is thus rendered obsolete? even though it was JUST said that all the others (norway/denmark) were occupied and finland was using copies (well, and reverse engineered)? also, just what trees ingame are "obsolete"? 

 

seriously was there any thought process at all in this statement? 

 

9 hours ago, McPuff said:

What makes it "obsolete" in your opinion? It has unique vehicles, historical reasons for inclusion, and is of sufficient size

 

not to mention that the swedes were able to mostly keep pace with; or flat out outdo; established world powers with some of their planes.

 

 

plus of course there's nothing saying that norwegian and danish planes (read: US/UK exports) CAN'T be added at a later date. TBH i kind of expect gaijin to add planes like the norwegian F-84, AKA gaijin's fetish plane that they add to every new tree now :P

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On 31/08/2018 at 08:26, takkuta said:

Then I'm against it.

There is enough obsolete tech trees already on this game.

 

"Obsolete"?  The hell are you going on about?

[Panssarikolonna 1,084]

On 01/09/2018 at 01:46, McPuff said:

What makes it "obsolete" in your opinion? It has unique vehicles, historical reasons for inclusion, and is of sufficient size

It will go politics if I express my opinion.

[McPuff 2,212]

22 minutes ago, takkuta said:

It will go politics if I express my opinion.

Well I don't see any issue if it's relevant. However, politics is one of the strongest arguments against having a mixed tech tree in this case. Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland never really operated parallel to each other within the scope of WT, only with a few volunteer units from Sweden to Norway and mostly Finland respectively

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