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(slovakia) Avia B-534 (ex-czechoslovakian)

would you like to see the Avia B-534-I be added to the game?  

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  1. 1. would you like to see the Avia B-534-I be added to the game?

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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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  2. 2. would you like to see the Avia B-534-II be added to the game?

    • Yes
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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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    • No
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  3. 3. would you like to see the Avia B-534-III be added to the game?

    • yes
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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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    • No
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  4. 4. would you like to see the Avia B-534-IV be added to the game?

    • Yes
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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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    • No
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  5. 5. would you like to see the Avia BK-534 be added to the game?

    • Yes
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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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this suggestion is made in support to the addition of the the Minor Axis-Nation

 

i would like to suggest you a plane that was built by Czechoslovakia but widely used in Slovakia, the Avia B-534

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the Avia B-534 is a classic style bi-plane fighter that was mass produced in the second half of the 30s. it was widely used in serial country of the balkan, amounts of the user, Hungary, Slovakia and of course Czechoslovakia was well know to had used a large number of Avia B-534. the plane was based on the Avia B-34 who was a robust plane built in small quantity and mostly used as trainer plane. over the Avia B-34, the B-534 have a lot better flight performance, armament and engine.

 

the plane was based on the second prototype of Avia B-34 who was fitted with a different engine, the plane was later redesigned as Avia B-534 after the maiden flight in 1933, the plane saw a order of mass production soone after and the delivery of the plane started in 1935. the early production series had four machine gun VZ .28 wich two was on pods on either side of the fuselage like the B-34 and two more was mounted on the wing. but the wing machine gun was troublesome to install and many was installed without it and those who already had it saw it removed. the armament of the second series was improved with now the four machine gun up-graded for the Vz.30 and all was in the pods on either side of the fuselage (two by pod). the pod with the twin machine-gun became the standard for all the further variant of the plane (except the BK-534).

 

Variants

 

Avia B-534-I

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first production series of the Avia B-534. the 98 planes was built under this configuration. the plane was armed with the VZ.28 7.92mm. two was in pods on either side of the fuselage and two other was in the wing, but those in the wing was troublesome and was removed in the second half of the production and also remove from the plane that already had them. the armament was so reduced to two machine-gun once in service. the plane was initially in service in the Czech air-force but the surviving plane was passed to the Slovakian air-force after the German annexation of Czechoslovakia. the plane remained in service until the end of the ww2.

 

General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 8.1[38] m (26 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 9.4 m (30 ft 10 in)
  • Height: 3.15[38] m (10 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 23.56 m2 (253.6 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 1,460 kg (3,219 lb)
  • Gross weight: 2,120 kg (4,674 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 1,980[38] kg (4,365 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs liquid-cooled V12 engine, kW (830 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 380 km/h
  • Cruise speed: 345 km/h (214 mph; 186 kn)
  • Range: 600[38] km (373 mi; 324 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,600 m (34,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 15.15[38] m/s (2,982 ft/min)
  • Time to altitude: 5,000 m (16,404 ft) in 5 minutes 30 seconds [38]
  • Wing loading: 84[38] kg/m2 (17 lb/sq ft)
  • Power/mass: 0.319 kW/kg (0.197 hp/lb) [40]

Armament

  • Guns: 2× 7.92 mm (0.312 in) vz. 28 (Česká zbrojovka Strakonice)[41] machine guns with 250–300 rpg
  • Bombs: 6× 10 kg (22 lb) or 4x 20 kg (44 lb) bombs

 

an unknown amounts of B-534-I was been used in the Slovak air-force and a large amounst in the German air-forces.

 

Avia B-534-II

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second production series with about 50 planes made. the plane was receiving the new VZ.30 7.92 machine-gun in pod who have now two gun each on either side of the fuselage. the plane remained pretty much all alike the series I in the other aspect.

General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 8.1[38] m (26 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 9.4 m (30 ft 10 in)
  • Height: 3.15[38] m (10 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 23.56 m2 (253.6 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 1,460 kg (3,219 lb)
  • Gross weight: 2,120 kg (4,674 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 1,980[38] kg (4,365 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs liquid-cooled V12 engine, kW (830 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 380 km/h
  • Cruise speed: 345 km/h (214 mph; 186 kn)
  • Range: 600[38] km (373 mi; 324 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,600 m (34,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 15.15[38] m/s (2,982 ft/min)
  • Time to altitude: 5,000 m (16,404 ft) in 5 minutes 30 seconds [38]
  • Wing loading: 84[38] kg/m2 (17 lb/sq ft)
  • Power/mass: 0.319 kW/kg (0.197 hp/lb) [40]

Armament

  • Guns: 4× 7.92 mm (0.312 in) vz. 30
  • Bombs: 6× 10 kg (22 lb) or 4x 20 kg (44 lb) bombs

 

an unknow amounst of the B-534-II saw service in the Slovakian air-forces

 

Avia B-534-III

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the third production series received a few aerodinamycal refinement. a new air-intake for the carburator and new mud-guard for the landing gear. the performance of the plane was slightly improved due to the refinement but it wasn't by much more. the third series saw a production of 25 planes under this configuration

 

General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 8.1[38] m (26 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 9.4 m (30 ft 10 in)
  • Height: 3.15[38] m (10 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 23.56 m2 (253.6 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 1,460 kg (3,219 lb)
  • Gross weight: 2,120 kg (4,674 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 1,980[38] kg (4,365 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs liquid-cooled V12 engine, kW (830 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 392 km/h
  • Cruise speed: 345 km/h (214 mph; 186 kn)
  • Range: 600[38] km (373 mi; 324 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,600 m (34,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 15.15[38] m/s (2,982 ft/min)
  • Time to altitude: 5,000 m (16,404 ft) in 5 minutes 30 seconds [38]
  • Wing loading: 84[38] kg/m2 (17 lb/sq ft)
  • Power/mass: 0.319 kW/kg (0.197 hp/lb) [40]

Armament

  • Guns: 4× 7.92 mm (0.312 in) vz. 30
  • Bombs: 6× 10 kg (22 lb) or 4x 20 kg (44 lb) bombs

 

at least 14x B-534-III was been deliver to Croatia. a few other was used in Slovakia

 

Avia B-534-IV

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the most important modification of the series IV was the closed canopy, the new cockpit was offering the plane a better air-drag which allowed a better speed and also a better comfort for the pilot in higher altitude. along to the canopy, the plane received newer generation of the 12Ydrs engine who was slightly better with 850hp. this variant was the most produced and widely used with over 150 planes built. this plane was exported in Bulgaria.

 

General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 8.1[38] m (26 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 9.4 m (30 ft 10 in)
  • Height: 3.15[38] m (10 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 23.56 m2 (253.6 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 1,460 kg (3,219 lb)
  • Gross weight: 2,120 kg (4,674 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 1,980[38] kg (4,365 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs liquid-cooled V12 engine, 632.5[39] kW (848.2 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 405 km/h
  • Cruise speed: 345 km/h (214 mph; 186 kn)
  • Range: 600[38] km (373 mi; 324 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,600 m (34,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 15.15[38] m/s (2,982 ft/min)
  • Time to altitude: 5,000 m (16,404 ft) in 5 minutes 30 seconds [38]
  • Wing loading: 84[38] kg/m2 (17 lb/sq ft)
  • Power/mass: 0.319 kW/kg (0.197 hp/lb) [40]

Armament

  • Guns: 4× 7.92 mm (0.312 in) vz. 30
  • Bombs: 6× 10 kg (22 lb) or 4x 20 kg (44 lb) bombs

 

many planes of the series IV was been used in Slovakia

 

Avia BK-534

Spoiler

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the most powerful avia B-534. this variant was built in 1937 when the tension with germany because a serious treat. the plane received a 20mm Oerlikon FFS-20 cannon firing through the nose but the machine-gun in the pod was reduced to a single gun on each side of the fuselage. the was based on the serie IV with the closed canopy. 120 planes was built in this configuration.

 

General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 8.1[38] m (26 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 9.4 m (30 ft 10 in)
  • Height: 3.15[38] m (10 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 23.56 m2 (253.6 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 1,460 kg (3,219 lb)
  • Gross weight: 2,120 kg (4,674 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 1,980[38] kg (4,365 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs liquid-cooled V12 engine, 632.5[39] kW (848.2 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 405 km/h
  • Cruise speed: 345 km/h (214 mph; 186 kn)
  • Range: 600[38] km (373 mi; 324 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,600 m (34,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 15.15[38] m/s (2,982 ft/min)
  • Time to altitude: 5,000 m (16,404 ft) in 5 minutes 30 seconds [38]
  • Wing loading: 84[38] kg/m2 (17 lb/sq ft)
  • Power/mass: 0.319 kW/kg (0.197 hp/lb) [40]

Armament

  • Guns: 2× 7.92 mm (0.312 in) vz. 30
  • Cannon: 1x 20 mm FF-20 oerlikon
  • Bombs: 6× 10 kg (22 lb) or 4x 20 kg (44 lb) bombs

 

at least 12x BK-534 was been used in the Slovakian air-forces

the plane received serial minor sub-variant, one of the most common is the addition or the remove of the mud guard on the wheel or the replacement of the tail sky for a tail wheel to make the landing and take off easier.

 

after the occupation of Czechoslovakia, the Germany used many captured B-534 as trainer plane but also gave many captured plane to their allied country and puppet states such as Croatia and Romania. at the formation of Slovakia as a puppet state of Germany, the Slovakian air-forces received most of the plane remained in Czechoslovakia and formed their fighter squadron with them. Bulgaria imported an uncertain number (probably 78 planes) who was used as fighter in the Bulgarian air-forces. in the early war, the Slovakian reinforces used their squadron of B-534s to escort the German Ju-87 over Poland as active participation to the invasion of poland. while the plane was massively used in the Balkan, it saw little action during the WW2 himself under the banner of the Axis. even if the plane had a good maneuverability and pretty robust, it was pretty slow compared to the BF-109 who was also provided to those country. the B-534s was usually use in domestic control of the airspace where it saw a bit of action at the end of the war.

 

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source

Zdenek Titz, Czechoslovakian Air Force, 1918-1970, Reading, Berkshire, UK, Osprey Pub, 1971

V. Němeček, Histoire de l’aviation tchécoslovaque. Naše Vojsko, Prague

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/avia-b-534.15650/

https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=13744

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_B-534

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_B.534

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=139

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Open for discussion. :salute:

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I'll support this, though with the announcement of the I.A.R. 81C's implementation, it looks likely that these would probably end up on the Italian tech tree (since the plan as I understand it is to add the minor Axis nations' equipment to their tree).

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1 hour ago, Z3r0_ said:

I'll support this, though with the announcement of the I.A.R. 81C's implementation, it looks likely that these would probably end up on the Italian tech tree (since the plan as I understand it is to add the minor Axis nations' equipment to their tree).

it's like if they didn't even check how many italian plane could make it in the tree. there is like 20 reggianes fighter that could be spread from rank 1 to 4 and 3-4 aerfer jet. there is also all the SAI fighter and the IMAN ground attacker and where is the FIAT 80/81. i want to see the mb,326 too. Italy have more than enough planes and tank on their own,

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+1, could work added to the game somehow (Czech vehicles present a problem for where to add them).

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On 07/03/2019 at 22:15, Milocat said:

+1, could work added to the game somehow (Czech vehicles present a problem for where to add them).

In game is already some Czechoslovakian tanks. LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38 in German usage (PzKpfw. 35 (t), PzKpfw. 38 (t) Ausf. A and PzKpfw. 38 (t) Ausf. F). So, I don't see here a problem. Avia B-534 (and it's other versions) have to be in German tech tree. ;):salute:

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16 minutes ago, matejF40 said:

In game is already some Czechoslovakian tanks. LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38 in German usage (PzKpfw. 35 (t), PzKpfw. 38 (t) Ausf. A and PzKpfw. 38 (t) Ausf. F). So, I don't see here a problem. Avia B-534 (and it's other versions) have to be in German tech tree. ;):salute:

 

Those tanks are in the German tech tree because they captured a large number of them and crewed them with Germans.  As far as I can tell, these planes were never used in frontline service by the Germans, only some of their allies.  So, do you put them . . .

 

-With the other Czech vehicles in the German tree despite the above?

-In the Italian tree, where Gaijin has said that future minor Axis content will be added?

-Or in an Allied nation tree, like Britain or France, since the Czechs didn't exactly get along with the Axis and were the main user of this plane in the first place?

 

That is the problem I'm referring to.

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17 minutes ago, Milocat said:

 

Those tanks are in the German tech tree because they captured a large number of them and crewed them with Germans.  As far as I can tell, these planes were never used in frontline service by the Germans, only some of their allies.  So, do you put them . . .

 

-With the other Czech vehicles in the German tree despite the above?

-In the Italian tree, where Gaijin has said that future minor Axis content will be added?

-Or in an Allied nation tree, like Britain or France, since the Czechs didn't exactly get along with the Axis and were the main user of this plane in the first place?

 

That is the problem I'm referring to.

I suggest to implement this (It's copy paste of my suggestion published elsewhere):

"Split vehicles in matchmaking not by countries, but by fractions (Axis, Allies, NATO, Warsaw Pact) and use that MM at least in SB! One vehicle can be asigned to more fractions (for example T-34-85 - Allies, Warsaw Pact; P-51D Allies, NATO; G.55 Axis, Allies. It wasn't very uncommon that that plane fought against same (Free Italy-Allies, Fascist Italy-Axis). Of course that means it have to have 2 camouflages with different markings. It will be much better like that and there will be less friendly-fire. That means Japanese Sherman and Chaffee will fight for Allies/NATO, German MiG 19 and MiG 24 will fight for Warsaw Pact, and Italian M60 and Spitfire will fight for Allies/NATO. That will be much, much better matchmaking system and it will quite fix game and gameplay. By the way, that means you can add more STRONK SOVIET tanks, helis, and planes in German tech tree which will be assigned for NDR - Warsaw Pact. And maybe you can add some great western planes into german tech tree too."

This will (maybe) solve some problems (including that you reffered). So it can be with other Czechoslovakian vehicles in German tech tree with small chance to fight for Allies. :good:

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