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(Romania) Ford G917T (with AA gun)

would you like to see the G917T 13.2mm be added to the game?  

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  1. 1. would you like to see the G917T 13.2mm be added to the game?

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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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  2. 2. would you like to see the G917T 25mm be added to the game?

    • Yes
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    • Yes, as premium/gift/events vehicles
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this suggestion is made in support to the addition of the the Minor Axis-Nation

 

I would like to suggest some very hard to find, SPAA truck used in Romania. the Ford G917T truck (also know as the Barrel nose) in service and built in Romania

 

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this truck was design in USA by Ford industry, if you do know what is ford, look outside, those car are pretty much everywhere in the world. in the 30s, Ford compagny was pretty close to the coutry who would be a few years later their enemy. It began its relations with Romania in 1928 when Andrei Popovici, the secretary of the Romanian Legation in Washington, awarded Henry Ford a high order of the Royal House as a "benefactor of humanity for the development of the industry , social and international relations ". In 1931, Ford opened a sales company in Romania, and a year later, in 1932, the Romanian Government communicated to the Ford subsidiary in England (which was the owner of the Romanian firm) the willingness to open an assembly line in Bucharest. As a result of this invitation, in 1935, Ford acquired a land in the Floreasca district of Bucharest, where it built a modern factory, equipped with the first operational line in Eastern Europe, and over 100 workers who could assemble each year 2,500 cars and trucks. Ford Romania has organized specialization courses for its engineers. This meant that the pieces were manufactured and assembled entirely in the factory in Floreasca under the strict observation of the specialists. Preparations for this important step began in 1939 when samples of upholstery, accumulators, screws, paint and other parts manufactured in Romania had been sent to Detroit for examination and had come back with the appropriate observations; In this respect, Ford investments amounted to tens of millions of lei. The spread of Ford cars on the globe was due to reliability, price and, last but not least, extraordinary versatility. Thus, the Ford A could easily be adapted for running on snow, and Ford trucks could serve fire brigades by adapting a hydraulically operated staircase.

However, World War II affected operations in Romania, and in 1940 the lack of liquidity for the import of vehicles and spare parts in the US became evident. Thus, in the first quarter of 1940, Ford Romania sold all the cars it had in stock, and later the truck stock was exhausted. In March 1940, there were no other US imports, and the factory began to execute exclusively the orders of the Romanian Army, which owned a considerable fleet of Ford V8 4x4 trucks. Once in Germany's sphere of influence, Romania's imports from the United States and the United Kingdom ceased, and by the installation of Austrian Wachner at the factory, it was virtually run by the Cologne branch. Thus, the factory in Floreasca honored the demands of the German and Romanian armies and offered mobile repair units on the front. In August 1944, the Romanian Government categorized the Ford Romania plant as "machinery and construction abandoned by the enemy" and is included under military control. It continues to deal with the repair of vehicles owned by the Romanian and Russian army, with great losses, however, due to the Russian army's gratuitous compensation for war. With the end of the war, the directors of Ford's UK subsidiary tried to resume ties with Ford Romania, but the rise of communism and the depreciation of the national currency led to the suspension of operations in September 1946.

 

Now why do i talk about ford truck for the game? not that i want you guys to run around with utility truck but i want you to used it as it was sometime used, as a SPAA. but i got to admit, those SPAA aren't easy to find in document. bet can be easily identify. there is 2 very interresting SPAA that could be added to the game in tier 1 and 2. the both SPAA wouldn't be much different than other truch in the game like the Russian Milk truck but with a bit more fire-power.

 

Variant

 

Ford G917T 13.2mm Hotchkiss

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i wouldn't propose that truck without at least a clear evidence that the truck was really built. here is a picture of the Romanian built Ford G917T who was mouthing the twin 13.2mm Hotchkiss MG in the rear. we can clearly identify 2 of them on parade in the late 30s. the Romanian was a great customer of French anti-aircraft static guns. which including the 13.2mm hotchkiss M1931. the gun is not that good compared to the 12.7mm used in the allied side but is doing the work well. the gun can penetrate 23mm at 100m with regular AP shell. the gun is already ingame on the P4T AA in the french tree. at the opposite to the French tractor, the Romanian truck have a high month for the gun (likely a ship mount). the high month allow a frontal depression which allow it to attack the enemy while facing them (which often lack on the SPAA truck). while been having half of the gun of the P4T AA', the G917T have two loader which allow a nearly immediate reload.

 

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Production history
Manufacturer Atelierele Ford Bucuresti
Produced 1939–1941
No. built 400 (all variants)
Specifications
Weight 5,830  kg
Length 6.390 mm
Width 2,080 mm
Height 2.175 mm
Crew 4

Engine Ford 3.6 Liter / V-8 / 90hp
Armament
2x 13.2mm Hotchkiss Model 1931
Speed 80-85 km/h

 

Ford G917T 25mm Hotchkiss

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This second variant is a lot more interesting to my eyes. as the 13.2mm is not very good against ground target, a bigger gun would had been welcome and there was one. the 25mm Hotchkiss anti-aircraft gun was also mounted on the Ford G917T. the 25mm gun was mostly exported to Romania in the 30s and the gun was a lot better than the 13.2mm for his firepower. the gun was using HE and AP shell. the AP shell had a penetration of 35mm at 500m (slightly better than the German 2cm Flak 38) as we can see, the truck was carrying the twin gun on the original french month. the this month had a elevation of -5/+110 (yes, it could elevate 20mm backward). the mounth was usually operated by 2 men while on the picture we see 6 men on the truck (probably a team to operate the gun if it's dismounted from the truck). the Romanian army was using the 25mm model 1939 wich was using a 15rnd magazine and had a fire rate of 250-300 rnd/min the tow men crew to operate the gun allow a really fast reload that could be comparable to the other guns in ported (1 to 2sec reload) at least 2 G917T was been presented on parade in the early 40s in bucarest. while there is not much documentation on that truck, the photo evidence should be more then enough to identify the armament and the truck. we are allow to assume that there was a lot of ammo box to carry enough bullet to feed the gun well (most likely about 600rnds or 20 reload)

 

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Production history
Manufacturer Atelierele Ford Bucuresti
Produced 1939–1941
No. built 400 (all variants)
Specifications
Weight 5,830  kg
Length 6.390 mm
Width 2,080 mm
Height 2.175 mm
Crew 4

Engine Ford 3.6 Liter / V-8 / 90hp
Armament
2x 25mm Hotchkiss Model 1931
Speed 80-85 km/h

 

source

http://www.fomcc.de/g917.htm

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=330

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/3-ton-ford-type-g-917t-german-ford-company-koln.htm

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/3-ton-ford-type-v-3000s-type-g-198-ts.htm

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford-Barrel-Nose-Lkw

http://fiat.3xforum.ro/post/1125/2/Camioane_vechi

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_25mm-60_Hotchkiss.php

 

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6 hours ago, onemax9000 said:

+1 but what tree does it go to the Italians ,USA or French ?

 

Italy, probably, if the minor Axis tree doesn't happen.  

 

+1 to the vehicle.

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What about the possibility of a Eastern European tree also?  They could have all the Eastern European vehicles from the era (which if introduced, a separation mechanic for RB/SB could be implemented, which would help East/west Germany), combine as one for the Cold War, as a Eastern Bloc tree (excluding eastern germany), which we need more communist nations for SB and perhaps the likelihood of a more realistic MM for RB, then modern era it can split up into another Eastern Europe tree with Eastern European vehicles (could include vehicles like the T-72 moderna (however it’s spelled), export Leopard 2 variants used by appropriate countries, and vehicles like Ukrainian T-64 variants, T-84, and more).

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I like the looks of that truck, we need moar trucks in game

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