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Possible additions to Italian Ground Forces

3 hours ago, onemax9000 said:

Centauro II 

 

really? a 2017 TD? :D

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5 hours ago, *cartman400 said:

Remember Guy's... ITALY is ITALY. You can only give them tanks that THEY made or what they got a hold of.

 

So basically we have:

Original Italian Tanks

Borrowed German/US tanks.

Captured French tanks.

 

Well, I thought that was were they where going but recent dev blogs show they plan on mixing in Axis minors with the Italian tree. One could only assume that this will be how Gaijin helps fill out the Italian ground forces since they have such a hardline stance on paper tanks.

 

We will probably get an Italian-Hungarian  tree (Blue Beta is probably a very strong prominent of this) with Romanian, Finnish, and sporadic other nations as premiums.

 

6 hours ago, _Condottiero_ said:

Sorry, but I don't like this, let's not transform Italian tree to mix-tree

 

Personally, I wouldn't like it, but I would be okay with it. I just want to play all the Italian vehicles I can get my hands on. If Gaijin re-brands the Italian tech tree as an Axis tree I would be perfectly fine as long as I could take out my aggression with an aced out Carro Veloce. 

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Good news Carcanom38 I found info about the Semovente da 149/40 

 

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Semovente_da_149/40

 

 

 
Engine SPA petrol
250 hp (190 kW)
Power/weight 10.25 hp/t
Suspension leaf spring
Speed 21.75 mph (35.00 km/h
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1 hour ago, CarcanoM38 said:

 

Well, I thought that was were they where going but recent dev blogs show they plan on mixing in Axis minors with the Italian tree. One could only assume that this will be how Gaijin helps fill out the Italian ground forces since they have such a hardline stance on paper tanks.

Well let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I don't think Gaijin have been overtly vocal about any sort of official anti-paper policy. If they remove the Panther II and 10.5cm Tiger (which is still not official) that is because Germany has plenty of indigenous machines to replace them. So far the need for paper tanks has been minimal at best but the odd paper tank could very well still be acceptable for nations that truly NEED it.

 

Japan got two kinds Ho-Ri which we have yet to see any evidence of actually existing beyond blueprints and mockups. And I'm VERY glad they did because they needed it and that tier risked losing Japanese flavour in favour of reskinned American tanks. Meanwhile, Italy risks losing its Italian flavour at mid-high tier by being filled with reskinned American tanks too and this would be a huge shame. With the French also having American tanks soon the whole battlefield will be filled with reskinned tanks etc. 

 

This is why I advocate for the P43 and P43 bis as they will stretch out further beautiful and unique ITALIAN design which will benefit the game. Sure, they were't completed due to the Armistice, but they were designed, had mock-ups, and many parts to be used already existed - just like the Ho-Ri. Two extremely needed tanks hardly constitutes War Thunder going down the paper-route. For the sake of of the uniqueness of the Italian tree we must get these tanks implemented eventually!  

 

Pls don't destroy my passion for your beloved Italia BlueBeta. 

 

5 hours ago, _Condottiero_ said:

But what is the base and why don't we have it on the list?

I would very much like to know this too. What kind of recoiless rifle vehicles did Italy have?

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6 hours ago, onemax9000 said:

Good news Carcanom38 I found info about the Semovente da 149/40 

 

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Semovente_da_149/40

 

 

 
Engine SPA petrol
250 hp (190 kW)
Power/weight 10.25 hp/t
Suspension leaf spring
Speed 21.75 mph (35.00 km/h

This thing Will never fit in the actual game

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On 30/05/2018 at 06:17, onemax9000 said:

for the sdkz 233 http://military-photo.com/germany/afv2/armored_car2/sdkfz233/

but didn't the hungary used a tiger and Romania used a panther ?

Hungary used tiger 1's and panther D's from Germany. Romania got a few looted panthers from the soviets.

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This is my personal speculation about the tree made for a challange with @BlueBeta
at least 6 vehicles for each rank from 1 to 4; 3 rank 5 and at least one rank 6
no paper, no mock ups, only production and prototypes

I did insert only a few vehicles, or i would had finished it in september 2033 XD
 

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2 hours ago, ANYangeloVV said:

 

 

 

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Can this be Pinned like.... everywhere pls?

 

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3 hours ago, ANYangeloVV said:

 

 

 

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This is my personal speculation about the tree made for a challange with @BlueBeta
at least 6 vehicles for each rank from 1 to 4; 3 rank 5 and at least one rank 6
no paper, no mock ups, only production and prototypes

I did insert only a few vehicles, or i would had finished it in september 2033 XD
 

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I used your br to adjust my tech tree.

Italian AA line:

Rank 1:
1.0 AS42 Breda 13,2 Mod. 31
1.0 Fiat Terni Tripoli (1x12,7mm)
1.3 Dovunque 35 20/65
1.7 Alfa Romeo 800 20/70
Rank 2:
2.3 AS42 Breda 20/65 mod. 1935
2.7 AS43 20/77
Rank 3:
3.3 Einheitdiesel Breda 37/54
3.7/4.0 M15/42 contraereo
Rank 4:
6.3 M113A1 HS820
6.7 M113A1 Oerlikon 25/80
Rank 5:
7.0/7.3 M113A1 Rh202
7.7/8.0 O-F24 mk.3 Tifone
8.0 M113 SIDAM
Rank 6:
8.3 C13/4X25 SIDAM
8.7 B-1 SIDAM
9.3 (or Semoventi line) OTOMATIC
9.3 (Rank 1:
1.0 AS42 Breda 13,2 Mod. 31
1.0 Fiat Terni Tripoli (1x12,7mm)
1.3 Dovunque 35 20/65
1.7 Alfa Romeo 800 20/70
Rank 2:
2.3 AS42 Breda 20/65 mod. 1935
2.7 AS43 20/77
Rank 3:
3.3 Einheitdiesel Breda 37/54
3.7/4.0 M15/42 contraereo
Rank 4:
6.3 M113A1 HS820
6.7 M113A1 Oerlikon 25/80
Rank 5:
7.0/7.3 M113A1 Rh202
7.7/8.0 O-F24 mk.3 Tifone
8.0 M113 SIDAM
Rank 6:
8.3 C13/4X25 SIDAM
8.7 B-1 SIDAM
9.3 (or Semoventi line) OTOMATIC
9.7 (or Semoventi line or Armoured Cars line) B-1 Draico

 

Italian L3s+Semoventi line:

Rank 1:
1.0 L3/38
1.0/1.3 L3/35 cc (20 mm Solothurn rifle)
1.0 Semovente L5 105/14
1.3/1.7 Semovente L40 47/32
1.7/2.0 (prototype) Semovente Carro Armato 12 ton 1933 Ansaldo 65/17
Rank 2:
2.0 Semovente M40 75/18
2.3 Semovente M41 75/18
2.7 Semovente M42 75/18
Rank 3:
3.0 (partially wood) L75 (L6/40 modified to carry a 75/34 gun)
3.0 Semovente M41 75/32
3.3 Semovente M42 75/34
3.7 Semovente M43 75/34
4.0/4.3 Semovente M43 105/25
4.3 (possible premium) StuG 3 G
4.7 Semovente M41 90/53
Rank 4:
5.0/5.3 Semovente M43 75/46
5.3/5.7 O-F24 Tifone mk.1
6.0 (prototype) Semovente 149/40
Rank 5:
6.7 C13/90
6.7 M7 Priest 105/34
7.0 M113 SS11
Rank 6:
8.3 FIAT-IVECO AVH 6636
8.3 M113 Tow
8.7 C13/TUA
8.7 C-13/60A (can also work has AA)
9.0 OF-40 PALMIRA
9.3 (or Armoured cars line) B-1 Centauro
9.3 (or AA line) OTOMATIC
9.7 (or AA line or Armoured cars line) B-1 Draico

 

Italian Weeled TDs line:

Rank 0:
0.0
0.3 AS42 Breda 31
0.7 Morris CS8 65/17
Rank 1:
1.0 AS42 Solothurn
1.0 Fiat 611 37/40
1.3 SPA38R 47/32
1.7 AB41/AB42
2.0/2.3 Ceraino 50 75/27
Rank 2:
2.0 AS42 47/32
2.3 FIAT SPA Autoprotetto S37 47/32 Mod. 1935
2.3 AB42 47/40
3.0 Lancia3Ro 100/17
3.3 Lancia3Ro 76/30
Rank 3:
4.3/4.7 Fiat 634N 102/35
5.0 Dovunque 41 90/53
5.0 Lancia3Ro 90/53
5.0 Breda 52 90/53
5.0 Breda 501
Rank 4:
6.0 FERRARI F333E-LIZARD
6.3 Fiat 6616 Scorpion Cockerill Mk.3 90/38
Rank 5:
7.0 Fiat AR59 106s
7.0 OTO Melara R3 Capraia Folgore 6.7 ×2 FA (×2 80 mm recoiless rifles)
7.3 OTO Melara R3 Capraia T106 x2 FA (×2 M40 106 mm recoiless rifles)
7.3 Fiat 6616 Romanian modification
Rank 6:
8.3 Fiat 6616 HVMS 60/70
8.3 OTO Melara R3 Capraia BGM-71 TOW
8.7 FIAT-IVECO AVH 6636
9.0 B-1 Centauro HVMS 60/70
9.0 B-1 Centauro Pegaso 155
9.3 (or TD line) B-1 Centauro
9.7 B-1 Centauro 120 L44

 

Italian L/P line:

Rank 1:
-1.0 L5/30
-1.3 L6/40
-1.3 (probable premium) (prototype) L6/40 37/26
Rank 2:
-2.0 (paper) P20/40 (with 57/43 6 pounder gun or a 47/32 gun and a coaxial 20/65 cannon)
-2.3/2.7 (prototype) (flat armour) P26/40 75/18
-3.0/3.3 P26/40 75 mm KwK37 L/24
-3.0/3.3 (prototype) (flat armour) P26/40 75/32
-3.7 P26/40
Rank 3:
-4.3 (partially paper) (unlikely) P26/40 Ausf. vereinfachterturm 75mm Kw.K 40 L/48
-4.3/4.7 (partially paper) (unlikely) P26/40 Ausf. vereinfachterturm 105mm Kw.K 42 L/28
-4.7/5.0 (partially paper) (unlikely) P26/40 Ausf. vereinfachterturm 75mm Kw.K 39/45 L/60
-4.7 (partially constructed) P30/43
-5.0/5.3 (partially paper) P30/43 105/25
-5.3/5.7 (partially paper) P30/43 75/46
-5.7 (partially paper) P30/43 90/42
Rank 4:
-6.0 (wood) P34/43
-6.3 (wood) P34/43 90/53
-6.7 (wood) P34/43 102/45
-6.7 (partially paper) Pantera (A Panther with a 90/53 gun)
-6.7 (probable premium) M26 with 90 mm M3A1 cannon
Rank 5:
-7.0 (only used for training) M46
-7.3 Astra M47
-7.3 I.S.I. M47
-7.7 M47 105/51 mod.58
-7.7 M47 105/51 mod.68
Rank 6:
-8.3 M60A1 (AOS)
-8.7 M60A1 RISE (P)
-9.0 (just because it was used once and had a different autoloader) Kpz-70 Italian version
-9.0 M60A3
-9.7 (out of the time limit) M60A3 Leonardo

 

Italian M line:

Rank 1:
-1.0 M11/39
-1.3 M11/39 47/32
-1.7 M13/40
-2.0 M14/41
Rank 2:
-2.3 M15/42
-2.7/3.0 (prototype) M16/43
-3.0 (prototype, probable premium) sloped M15/42
-3.3 (parts not mounted together) M16/43 75/34
Rank 3:
-4.3 (Tiger 2 105-ish) M16/43 65/54
-4.3 (possible premium) Panzer 4 G (M division)
-4.7 (possible premium) Panzer 4 H (M division)
-4.7 Sherman Firefly

-4.7 M4A4 L52
Rank 4:
-5.3 M4A3 (76)
-6.7/7.0 (unlikely) M24 Superchaffe HVMS 60/85
-7.0/7.3 (unlikely) M4A3 M-60 Supersherman HVMS 60/85
Rank 5:
-7.7 OF-40
-8.0 OTO-Centauro Leopard 1A2I (autoloader)
Rank 6:
-8.3 (prototype) Lion (no idea where to put this. It can carry the Leopard A1A1 APFSDS so I think this is right)
-8.3/8.7 OF-40 mk2 (better armour than Leo A1A1)
-8.7/9.0 Leopard 1A5 (no idea, will probably upset the Germans)
-9.3 OF-40 mk2A

 

I know it has some paper and shady stuff but this are all the tanks I discovered not all the tanks that I think should be added.

3 hours ago, ANYangeloVV said:

 

 

 

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This is my personal speculation about the tree made for a challange with @BlueBeta
at least 4 vehicles for each rank from 1 to 4; 3 rank 5 and at least one rank 6
no paper, no mock ups, only production and prototypes

I did insert only a few vehicles, or i would had finished it in september 2033 XD
 

More detailed branches with a little description of the vehicles

  Reveal hidden contents

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Also where is the M14/41? 

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4 minutes ago, onemax9000 said:

So we need more 3.0-4.0 ?

How. My tech tree has 10 tanks in that br range, no need for more.

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5 hours ago, ANYangeloVV said:

 

 

 

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This is my personal speculation about the tree made for a challange with @BlueBeta
at least 6 vehicles for each rank from 1 to 4; 3 rank 5 and at least one rank 6
no paper, no mock ups, only production and prototypes

I did insert only a few vehicles, or i would had finished it in september 2033 XD
 

More detailed branches with a little description of the vehicles

  Reveal hidden contents

ittAB.thumb.jpg.11f0ddcad01658da825cc830ittcarri2.thumb.jpg.1db01fc9073c39ae382fittsemo.thumb.jpg.99bd7df615643a00ff397eittAA.thumb.jpg.5ef8db1f902e074cf31c4924ittP.thumb.jpg.483ae95daa4f1fb62db866152

 

The guzzi trialce MUST BE in the game, best AA ever!:mitraljez:

Btw this TT is the best concept for the italian i have seen, maybe if the American tanks can be switched with hungarians @BlueBeta would be happy, and the lack of foreign tanks like leo and others is very good. Original and funny.

 

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Also the image give at this idea a whole new level in speculation, well done
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48 minutes ago, samucorba said:

maybe if the American tanks can be switched with hungarians

hungarians won't ever be in the regular TT

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7 minutes ago, BlueBeta said:

hungarians won't ever be in the regular TT

oh boy, this is a good and unexpected news o_o:D

And what you think about the guzzi trialce @BlueBeta? it's a very good idea ^^

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trialce new meme tank (wait it is not a tank O.o)
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ANYangelo's tree combined with SergentA's tree, which includes the P43, equals the ultimate Italian Tech Tree. I think Carcano made a great tech tree too a few pages back.

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14 hours ago, ANYangeloVV said:

 

 

 

ittcarris.thumb.jpg.582d3058d5c9b5087830

This is my personal speculation about the tree made for a challange with @BlueBeta
at least 6 vehicles for each rank from 1 to 4; 3 rank 5 and at least one rank 6
no paper, no mock ups, only production and prototypes

 

 

Now this is some outstanding work, well done. I hope the ingame tree will look something like this in probably a few years

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On 01/06/2018 at 14:11, ANYangeloVV said:

 

 

 

ittcarris.thumb.jpg.582d3058d5c9b5087830

This is my personal speculation about the tree made for a challange with @BlueBeta
at least 6 vehicles for each rank from 1 to 4; 3 rank 5 and at least one rank 6
no paper, no mock ups, only production and prototypes

I did insert only a few vehicles, or i would had finished it in september 2033 XD
 

More detailed branches with a little description of the vehicles

  Reveal hidden contents

ittAB.thumb.jpg.11f0ddcad01658da825cc830ittcarri2.thumb.jpg.1db01fc9073c39ae382fittsemo.thumb.jpg.99bd7df615643a00ff397eittAA.thumb.jpg.5ef8db1f902e074cf31c4924ittP.thumb.jpg.483ae95daa4f1fb62db866152

 

It's superb, and absolutely viable.

 

Oh, great job with the drawings!:good:

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1 hour ago, stefffff1871 said:

I would rather See more german stuff instead of American stuff in the Power Ranks to Keep the axis World war feeling alive

Well Italy only used StuG III Gs (which aren’t particularly needed), Pz IV Gs, and Pz III Ns (which would be strange to have in the standard TT considering it’s a premium in the German one). They can’t really replace any of the US tanks other than the M24.

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