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Possible additions to Italian Ground Forces

Possible vehicles that can be in the Italian ground forces tech tree. I tried to include everything that I have knowledge of and what I have seen on both the forms and WT Live. Some of the vehicles on this list do not have hyperlinks, this is because I could not find decent articles to associate with the vehicle. Although it is possible to find pictures and form posts on all the vehicles listed here. If you wish for me to add a vehicle I have left out, then please make a post about it. If possible, include a link to an article or Wikipedia page about the addition. A photo would also be appreciated.

 

The air vehicles counterpart for this thread can be found here:

 

 

 

Tanks/Armored Vehicles

 

Armored Cars

- Fiat 611: An inter-war design, the 611 saw combat throughout WW2 in Africa and Italy. While rather slow and bulky, the armored car had a reward facing machine gun and was armed with a Vickers-Terni 37/40 mod.30 cannon in the turret.

- SPA-Viberti AS43 : With a shortage of armored vehicles causing numerous issues for the Italian Social Republic, the AS43 was drawn up in an attempt to introduce a new production line. The armored car was made using parts from numerous other vehicles in an attempt to make the production process as quick as possible. It was equipped with a 20 mm Breda Model 35. It is unknown the exact number that was produced.

- Lizard F333E : An armored scout car developed by Ferrari and Lamborghini in the eighties. The vehicle had a two man crew and could be equipped with a Breda Folgore 80mm recoilless rifle (9 rounds) or two Euromissile MILAN ATGW launchers (six missiles). The vehicle had a road speed of 120 km/h.

 

Light Tanks

- L5/30 : Originally called the Fiat 3000, the tank was based off of the Renault FT and was intended to serve Italy in WW1. However, the end of the war saw to the original order of 1,400 to be canceled after the production of a 100 units. The tank was upgraded in 1930 (renamed the Fiat 3000B or L5/30) and gained a improved 37 mm armament, a more powerful engine, improved suspension, and a different engine compartment silhouette. The tank would go on to serve in Italian combat units until the end of WW2.

- L3/35 : Largely considered the bread and butter of Italian armed forces at the beginning of WW2, Italy produced thousands of these little tankettes. Variants include various armaments to fit different scenarios. The variants include a solothurn 20 mm AT rifle, and a 20 mm Breda Model 35 (both a turreted and a hull mounted variant).

- L3/38 : An upgrade of the L3/35. It had a better engine, smoother suspension, and thicker armor than the L3/35. Many of these versions where equipped with a 13 mm Breda HMG.

- M5A1 Stuart: The Stuart would come to serve in the Italian army after WW2 due to US rearmament efforts in Europe.

- M24 Chaffee : The Chaffee would come to serve in the Italian army after WW2 due to US rearmament efforts in Europe.

- OF24 Tifone : The first Infantry Combat Vehicle considered for service by the Italian Army. OTO Melara started working on it in 1972 after evaluating the Mowag Taifun. The Mk.I was equipped with a 76mm gun although I am unsure about the other characteristics of the vehicle.

- OTO C13 /60: Version equipped with OTO Melara's T60 / 70 turret, equipped with a 60 mm cannon in models A or M (which featured a day / night optical system).

- OTO C13 / 90 : A prototype troop carrier developed by OTO Melara as an alternative to the VCC-1. Among the prototypes, a turret with a 90mm Cockerill was mounted to show the adaptability of the design.

 

Medium/Heavy Tanks

 

- M16/43 : Designed with desert combat in mind, the M16/43 was a spiritual copy of the British crusader tank. The tank had a low silhouette and was faster that other Italian tanks of the time, although the tank was thinly armored. While the prototype was equipped with the Cannone da 47/40, plans were made to equip the production version with a 75 mm cannon. These plans were never realized though as the vehicle was never was introduced due to the rise of the P26/40.

- P26/40 75/18 : First prototype of the P26/40. It was primarily meant to be an infantry support tank with a short barrel 75 mm cannon. Constructed in late 1941 but changed soon after.

- P26/40 75/32 : The second prototype of the P26/40. It had an upgraded 75 mm cannon that was hoped to be able to handle most allied armor. Constructed in 1942 but the tank was changed once more after a captured T34 provided Italy insight into sloped armor. The hull was redone and the hull mounted 8 mm machine guns were removed.

- P30/43: Developed simultaneously with the P26/40, the P43 was going to be a heavier tank with a more powerful engine, gun, and thicker armor. The design never left the prototype stage and only photographs of wooden mock ups have been discovered. Although, it is believed the design was nearly completed as the Italian goverment had already placed large orders of the tank before the armistice.

- P43 bis: Was designed to be a further upgrade to the P43, although two versions where considered. One was an upgrade of the P40 chassis and the other was a reduction of the German Panther Tank. Both would have been equipped with an Italian 90/42mm cannon. It is the same as the P30/43 in the since that the project never progressed much further than a few wooden mock ups.

- Panzer III Asuf N: Used by the Italian Social Republic after the armistice in an attempt to reequip Italian armor divisions and make up for a lagging industrial sector.

- Panzer IV Ausf G: Used by the Italian Social Republic after the armistice in an attempt to reequip Italian armor divisions and make up for a lagging industrial sector.

- M4A4: The Sherman would come to equip Italy in large numbers after WW2.

- M4A3E8: The 76mm Sherman would come to serve in the Italian army after WW2 due to US rearmament efforts in Europe.

- M46 Patton: Same as the other US designed tanks, came to equip Italian units after WW2

- M48 Patton: Same as the other US designed tanks, came to equip Italian units after WW2.

 

Main Battle Tanks

- Leopard 1A3: The Leopard equipped Italy in large numbers with 120 being built by OTO Melara. Numerous variants would come to serve the Italian army and the Leopard itself wasn't retired until 2003, being replaced by the C1 Ariete. Before being retired, Italy upgraded many  of its Leopards to consist of Leopard A5 turrets on a reworked A3 hull.

- Project OTO Centauro: An Italian project to install an autoloader into a Leopard 1. Unknown whether or not it made it passed the initial design phase and into material prototypes.

- OF-40 Mod. 2A: The last OF-40 modification to be researched. The Mod. 2A replaced the 105 mm cannon with a 120 mm one. One prototype was constructed but the vehicle was never adopted by any nations.

 

 

SPAAG

 

Wheeled

-  Fiat-Terni Tripoli : Designed for WW1, the Fiat-Terni recieved new live in WW2 as light SPAA. Equipped with a Breda-SAFAT 12.7 mm , the vehicle might be effective as a reserve tier machine.

- SPA Dovunque 35: Light off-road truck vehicle with a Breda 20/65 Mod. 1935 installed for the anti-aircraft protection of convoys.

- Alfa Romeo 800 : Produced by Italy throughout WW2 and a few years after, the 800 was sometimes equipped with a Breda 20/70 AA gun in an attempt to better protect Italian units in North Africa.

- Fiat 1100 Militare : The military version of the Fiat 1100. The variety meant for AA was equipped with duel 8mm Breda machine guns.

- Moto-Guzzi 500 : The 'Trialice' was used by numerous branches of the Italian armed forces throughout WW2. The motorcycle was sometimes equipped with a 20 mm Breda Model 35 for infantry support and AA duties.

- Ceirano 50 CMA : A heavy truck standard of the Royal Italian Army at the time, with a 75/27 CK installed the vehicle proved to be an effective AA and AT piece.

- Fiat-SPA 38R : A light military truck that was used as a bed for the 20/65 Breda auto-cannon.

- Fiat-SPA AS37 : A popular vehicle for Italy in North Africa, the AS37 was very mobile and was used by units as a mobile gun platform. Much like other wheeled SPG, the truck used a 20 mm Breda Model 35.

- AS.43 : A development of the AS.42, the AS.43 did not share the success of the AS.42. However, Italy did equip it with a Scotti 20/77mm AA gun.
- Alfa Romeo 430: An Italian light truck that was widely used by the military. Would sometimes be equipped with a Breda 20/70 auto-cannon for AA purposes.

- Einheitsdiesel : Some of these German trucks were equipped with a 20 mm Breda Model 35 for AA purposes. They could have been lent to Italy towards the end of the war but this is unknown.

- ACM 52 Quadrinata : A post war utility truck that was adopted by the Italian military. These vehicles had a quad .50 cal machine gun turret placed on the bed in order to provide short range anti-air support. Many of these vehicles remained in service until the nineties.


 

Tracked

 

- M113 : The M113 served the Italian army in the thousands. Many of these where modified to carry different armaments for the purpose of AA. These modifications include (but are not limited to) the HS280, Oerlikon 25/80, Rh202.

- Semovente 40/70 : A modified Leopard 1A1 hull with a Bofors 40 mm AA cannon in a open-top turret. The cannon is different than the ones we have in game as it has a faster fire rate.

 

SPG/TD

 

Tank Destroyers/SPG

 

- AMX 13 SS11: A few vehicles were used by Italy after WW2 to make up for a lack of ATGM carriers. These were soon replaced by Italian modified M113s.

- VCC-1 : OTO Melara upgrade to the aged M113 vehicles. The VCC was an up-armored and outfitted with a more powerful engine. Many production vehicles were adapted to use TOW missile systems to counter enemy armor. 

- OTO C13/TUA : A prototype troop carrier developed by OTO Melara as an alternative to the VCC-1. Among the prototypes, the TUA version was tested to show the adaptability of the design.

 

Autocannoni

- Ceirano 50 CMA : A heavy truck standard of the Royal Italian Army at the time, with a 75/27 CK installed the vehicle proved to be an effective AT piece.

- Fiat-SPA AS37 : A popular vehicle for Italy in North Africa, the AS37 was very mobile and was used by units as a mobile gun platform. The vehicle would be equipped with the 47/32 AT. A variant known as the TL37 was also equipped with a 75/27 cannon.

- SPA-Viberti AS.42 : Known as the Sahariana, the vehicle was an Italian reconnaissance car that was extremely versitile and used as a bed for numerous weapons systems. The vehicle was fast, maneuverable, and can be argued as one of the best scout cars of the war. The vehicle had numerous weapons, these include the 20 mm Solothurn AT rifle and the 47/32 AT gun.

- Lancia 3Ro : A 4x2 heavy truck that was equipped with various armaments throughout the war; these include the 100/18, the 90/53, and the 76/30. The vehicle was widely produced and saw combat with Italy on numerous fronts.

- Fiat 634N : Another large heavy truck produced by Italy that saw combat as an AT piece. Equipped with a 102/35 gun, the cannon was mostly used in a infantry support role but was known for also killing tanks. The vehicle was also adapted to carry the 76/40 Mod. 1916 in some situations.

- Breda 52 : Equipped with a 90/53, the Breda 52 was constructed in response to the growing power of Allied armor and air power. The truck was an upgraded version of the Breda 51 with a reinforced frame.

- Dovunque 41 : An upgraded version of the Dovunque 35, the 41 possessed a better engine and an all wheel drive configuration. The cab and gun tower was also armored to protect from small arms fire, the tower contained the deadly 90/53 cannon.

- Breda 501 : With the success of the 90/53 Autocannoni in North Africa, Italy looked to further refine the idea with the Breda 501. With the sole-purpose of being an AT platform, the Breda was decently armored and had a heavily sloped frontal section. The platform is based on the heavy truck Breda 102.

- Fiat Campagnola : Produced after WW2, the Campagnola mostly resembles the famous Willys Jeep. The vehicle was equipped with numerous weapons including (but not limited to) recoilless rifles and ATGM platforms.

 

 

Captured Vehicles

 

 

Western Front

-Char B1 bis: A few were captured during the fall of France and used in trails by the Italian army. Photos show these tanks with only their hull mounted weapons and no turrets.

 

Eastern Front

- T34 Mod 1941/42: Captured by the 120th Artillery Regiment of the Italian Army in Russia.

- BT-7: At least one captured by Italian forces and used in combat by the CSIR.

- T-60: At least one captured by Italian forces on the Eastern front.

- T-26: Captured in Ukraine in 1941.

 

North Africa/Western Front

- Light Tank Mark.VI: At least two were captured by Italian forces in North Africa.

- Cruiser Mk.II: At least one captured by Italian forces in North Africa.

- Matilda Mk.II: At least one captured by Italian forces in North Africa.

- Churchill Mk.III: Captured in Tunis in 1943.

- Valentine: At least two captured by the Italians in North Africa. One of which in the fall of 1942.

 

In-Game Vehicles

 

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AB41 : With a driving position at the front and one in the rear, the AB41 is a remarkably nimble machine. Overall the AB41 family was well thought out, with a top speed of over 70 km/h (45 mph), decent armor, and good road and cross-country performance. The only issues from the design stem from poor detail design, most of which will not readily show up in game. The AB 41 was considered a good vehicle and one of the best armored cars of its era. It was equipped with a 20 mm Breda Model 35.

- AB43 : An improvement upon the AB41 that featured a redesigned turret that housed the Cannone da 47/40. 

- R3 Capraia : A prototype armored car developed by OTO Melara. The vehicle was rather versatile and could be outfitted with a TOW turret, two recoilless rifles, a 20 mm autocannon, and other types of light machine guns.

- Fiat 6616 Scorpion: The Fiat 6614 was a wheeled armored personal carrier that has been used by numerous nations throughout the world. The 6616 variant was a prototype equipped with a 90mm Cockerill Mk 3 and could easily face most late tier armored vehicles.

- L3/35 : Largely considered the bread and butter of Italian armed forces at the beginning of WW2, Italy produced thousands of these little tankettes. Variants include various armaments to fit different scenarios. The variants include a solothurn 20 mm AT rifle, and a 20 mm Breda Model 35 (both a turreted and a hull mounted variant).

- M11/39 : The first medium tank to be produced by Italy in serious numbers. However, the tank was far from perfect. Its main armament was a hull mounted 37 mm cannon and the one-man turret housed two 8mm Breda LMGs. The tank had numerous shortcomings: its endurance and performance were poor, it was relatively slow, it was mechanically unreliable and its 30 mm maximum riveted steel armour was vulnerable to British  weapons.The tank was soon replaced by the M13/40.

- M13/40 : The primary tank used by Italy during the war, the M13/40 would see numerous improvements over its predecessors. The tank had the Cannone da 47/32 and a 8 mm Breda in a two-man turret along with twin 8 mm Breda LMGs in the hull. At the beginning of its production, the tank was on par with vehicles being produced by other nations. The shortcomings mainly centered around the unreliability of the engine and the tanks relatively low speed.

- M14/41 : An upgraded version of the M13/40 that possessed a more powerful engine and a few other minor improvements; however it was largely considered obsolete by the time of its introduction. This is primarily because the strengths of the M13/40 had already been surpassed by other nations through the production of heavier and more powerful combat vehicles.

- M15/42 : The apex of the M series of tanks, the M15/42 possessed numerous upgrades. Its gun had been replaced with an improved version (the Cannone da 47/40) and the engine had been upgraded. The transmission had also been replaced and a electrical turret drive installed. While the most powerful of the M series, it was already obsolete by the time it was introduced.

- L6/40 : The primary tank for the Italian Expeditionary Corps in Russia, the L6/40 was a capable light tank in the early years of the war. Equipped with a 20 mm Breda Model 35, the tank had a good gun along with decent armor protection.

- P26/40 75/34 : Classified as a heavy tank by Italy, the P26/40 was suppose to become Italy's answer to the modernizing armor of other nations. Influenced by a captured T34, the P40 had sloped armor in an effort to increase the survivability of the tank. It was also equipped with a 75 mm cannon which could penetrate most allied medium armor of the time. Only around a hundred of these where manufactured before Italy signed an armistice in 1943.

- Sherman Firefly: A few of these tanks equipped Italian units after WW2.

- M26 Pershing: Same as the other US designed tanks, came to equip Italian units after WW2.

- M47 Patton: The primary Italian tank after throughout much of the Cold War. Would be replaced by the Leopard 1 later on.

- M47 105/51 Patton: An OTO Melara project that would change many aspects about the M47 Patton. A a more powerful 105 mm cannon was equipped, changes to the hull were made, a new electrical system installed, and a redesigned feeding system to increase fire rate.

- M60 Patton: Would serve Italy until the end of the Cold War and would compete to be the primary Italian tank next to the Leopard. The Patton would be retired before the Leopard but they would both be replaced by the C1 Ariete.

- OF-40 Mod. 1:  The OF-40 is an Italian main battle tank developed as a joint venture between OTO Melara and Fiat, and intended primarily for export sales. The tank would resemble the Leopard in a few ways but many differences could be witnessed between the designs. The vehicle served as a basis for numerous variants, including a SPG and a SPAA.
- OF-40 Mod. 2: The Mk.2 version of the OF-40 featured an improved OG14LR fire control system which included dual-axis main gun stabilization and improved sensors. The Mk.2 had an improved day/night periscope for the commander, an improved sight with variable 7x and 14x magnification for the gunner, and a turret-mounted LLLTV camera which provides night-time observation and identification up to 2 km and relays imagery to monitors at both the gunner's and commander's stations. This variant also received welded steel appliqué armor on the turret front face.

- C1 Ariete :  The first third generation main battle tank to be developed by Italy. Prototypes of the Ariete were seen in the mid to late 80s and the tank still serves the Italian army in the present. 

- SPA-Viberti AS.42 : Known as the Sahariana, the vehicle was an Italian reconnaissance car that was extremely versitile and used as a bed for numerous weapons systems. The vehicle was fast, maneuverable, and can be argued as one of the best scout cars of the war. The vehicle was equipped with a 20 mm Breda Model 35.

- M15/42 Contraeero : A prototype self-propelled anti-aircraft gun carrying four 20 mm Soctti-Isotta Fraschini anti-aircraft guns in a lightly armoured turret, based on the M15/42, was produced in 1943. After the armistice the Germans captured this vehicle, and may have used it as a model for their self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.

- SIDAM-25 : The SIDAM is more of a dedicated AA turret than its other M113 counterparts. The quad 25 mm Oerlikon KBA cannons are quick to shred most aircraft that enter its vicinity firing at 2,440 rounds per minute. The cannons also have an APDS shell to handle any light armor that may stand against it. The turret equipped M113s and  OTO C13s.

- Otomatic : A prototype SPAAG developed by OTO Melara and Fiat on the OF-40 hull. The vehicle has a Otobreda 76 mm cannon with an estimated fire rate of 85 rounds per minute.

- Semovente 47/32 L40 : One of Italy's first dedicated anti-tank platforms, the Semovente L40 was created by mounting the Cannone da 47/32 in a modified, open-top L6/40 light tank. The vehicle had decent armor and a powerful gun when it was introduced. 

- Semovente da 75/18 : One of the most successful tank destroyers employed by Italy, the Semovente 75/18 was intended to be more of an artillery piece than an actual assault gun. However, it proved its power in numerous ways as the HEAT shells of the Obice da 75/18 modello 34 had the ability to penetrate any Allied armor of the time. The Semovente 75/18 was upgraded numerous times throughout its life time, being adapted for the hulls of the M13/40 and M14/41.

- Semovente da 75/32 : An early production version of the 75/34 equipped with a slightly shorter gun.

- Semovente da 75/34 : After the success of the Semovente 75/18, it was decided to build a self-propelled gun with a better gun, to improve its anti-tank capability. The Cannone da 75/32 was equipped to the hull as the gun had shown its merit as an AT weapon in Russia and North Africa. The chassis was upgraded to the M43 chassis towards the end of the war which provided the vehicle with much greater armor protection and a lower silhouette.

- Semovente da 105/25 : The most powerful SPG platform constructed by Italy during the war, the Semovente 105/25 was a powerful piece with good support and AT capabilities. It made use of the M43 chassis and had decent frontal armor along with a low silhouette.

- Semovente da 75/46 : Equipped with the only long-barrel 75 mm cannon in Italy's arsenal, the Semovente 75/46 would have proved to be a tough opponent if Italy could have manufactured them in large numbers. Using of the M43 chassis, the vehicle also had an increased frontal armor thickness of 100mm, plus some other improvements like the welded side armor plates.

- Semovente da 90/53 : Created by mounting the Cannone da 90/53 anti-aircraft gun on top of an enlarged chassis of a M14/41 tank. Only 30 of these vehicles were produced, all in 1942. This low production was due to Italy's limited industrial capability at the time, as well as high demand for the 90 mm gun for regular anti-aircraft duties. The vehicle could destroy any Allied armor vehicle of the time and proved its worth in both North Africa and Italy.

- M36 B1 : Same as the other US designed tanks, came to equip Italian units after WW2.

- M113 : Without a dedicated ATGM carrier, Italy would modify numerous M113 vehicles to use SS11 and BGM-71 anti-tank missiles.

- B1 Centauro : Constructed in response to the Italian Army's need for a dedicated anti-tank platform, the Centauro began its development in the late 80s. Originally equipped with a 105 cannon, all Centauro's have been upgraded to a low recoil 120/45 cannon in a redesigned turret.

 

 

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Ahhh... Very nice post! :good:

 

Just to point out, the Semovente 75/46 M43 adopted a modified M43 chassis, with an increased frontal armor thickness of 100mm, plus some other improvements like the welded side armor plates. In comparison the Semovente 105/25 M43 had "only" 75mm of frontal armor.

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2 minutes ago, Menarrosto said:

Ahhh... Very nice post! :good:

 

Just to point out, the Semovente 75/46 M43 adopted a modified M43 chassis, with an increased frontal armor thickness of 100mm, plus some other improvements like the welded side armor plates. In comparison the Semovente 105/25 M43 had "only" 75mm of frontal armor.

 

Thank you!

 

Edited the OP to reflect this.

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Bellissimo! I'll have to look through it all later. I just had to make sure the P43 bis was listed. 

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Why didn't you include a little brother of the Otomatic - C13/60A?

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+ C13 SIDAM-25(this could be more authentic than M113)

This can be a link for all C13 https://www.militarypedia.it/iveco-dardo/

Also after announcement of the M1 Abrams we will probably get OF.40mk2a and C1 Ariete.

PS I think we should get at least three versions of Centauro:

1) early

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+ ERA modification(Romor-A)

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2) A version with applique armor

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3) B1 Centauro HITFACT 120

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PS PS I remember a photo of the Fiat 6614 106sr, but I can't find it anymore, i will be grateful if someone share this)

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On 2/25/2018 at 10:25 AM, _Condottiero_ said:

Why didn't you include a little brother of the Otomatic - C13/60A?

 

+ C13 SIDAM-25(this could be more authentic than M113)

This can be a link for all C13 https://www.militarypedia.it/iveco-dardo/

Also after announcement of the M1 Abrams we will probably get OF.40mk2a and C1 Ariete.

PS I think we should get at least three versions of Centauro:

1) early

 

+ ERA modification(Romor-A)

 

2) A version with applique armor

 

3) B1 Centauro HITFACT 120

 

PS PS I remember a photo of the Fiat 6614 106sr, but I can't find it anymore, i will be grateful if someone share this)

 

Added the combat capable variants of the C13. Thank you for the link!

 

C1 Ariete has also been added.

 

 

5 hours ago, PlanyKaanere said:

 

Added. Thank you for the links!

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Nice work :good:.
The right variants for the OF-40 should be the Mod 1, Mod 2 and Mod 2A.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/391690-oto-melara-of-40-and-derivatives/

 

You could also add the AAA version with the Gepard turret
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20 hours ago, Redberseker said:

Nice work :good:.
The right variants for the OF-40 should be the Mod 1, Mod 2 and Mod 2A.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/391690-oto-melara-of-40-and-derivatives/

 

You could also add the AAA version with the Gepard turret
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I changed the names of the OF-40 and added descriptions of the designs.

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18 hours ago, CarcanoM38 said:

 

I changed the names of the OF-40 and added descriptions of the designs.

Keep up the nice work :good:

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Added a category for captured vehicles and began to list a few of them.

 

Also added the M5A1 Stuart since Italy made use of it after WW2. Also added the AMX-S11 since photos exsist of them in use by Italy before they adapted M113s to become their dedicated ATGM platforms.

 

A photo of the AMX 12;

 

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43 minutes ago, CarcanoM38 said:

Added a category for captured vehicles and began to list a few of them.

 

Also added the M5A1 Stuart since Italy made use of it after WW2. Also added the AMX-S11 since photos exsist of them in use by Italy before they adapted M113s to become their dedicated ATGM platforms.

 

A photo of the AMX 12;

 

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Added the Lizard F333E. Its an armored scout car developed by Ferrari and Lamborghini in the eighties. The vehicle had a two man crew and could be equipped with a Breda Folgore 80mm recoilless rifle (9 rounds) or two Euromissile MILAN ATGW launchers (six missiles). The vehicle had a road speed of 120 km/h. Here are some photos of the mini-beast. Three prototypes and fifteen pre-production vehicles were built.

 

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1 hour ago, CarcanoM38 said:

Added the Lizard F333E. Its an armored scout car developed by Ferrari and Lamborghini in the eighties. The vehicle had a two man crew and could be equipped with a Breda Folgore 80mm recoilless rifle (9 rounds) or two Euromissile MILAN ATGW launchers (six missiles). The vehicle had a road speed of 120 km/h. Here are some photos of the mini-beast. Three prototypes and fifteen pre-production vehicles were built.

 

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Ferrari + Lamborghini + missiles.

Perfect.

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Some vehicles copied from Rataz's old posts on the old suggestion thread:

these all came from old wargame forums, no real description http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?t=47805&start=20

Quadrinata ACM 52

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A picture of that fiat campagnola (ar76) with a TOW atgm

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SIDAM on an armoured car chassis (BMR-35-60)

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I remember there being photos of a few other vehicles, in particular a couple of other italian m47 modifications, the I.S.I. M47 90/50, and the Astra M47 90/50 Mod.67 , the Fiat 6614 106sr (fiat 6614 with a recoiless rifle, this one in particular I remember there being data and picutres for on the old italian tanks data sheet thread that is now restricted from viewing, you might get the data again if you convince a mod to let you see that thread).

Also from this page: 

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Double check also the other threads on this sub-forum, there are I think, a few prototypes missing on the list, such as the AB42, and the AB41 TD, aswell as the prototypes of several tanks which were significantly different from the final production model.

 

Final thought on your thread is that I think you could split the categories up a bit better. I might reorganize it to have main sections and sub categories within them, for example category: Tanks (subsections: armoured car, Light, medium, heavy, post-war), SPAAG (tracked, wheeled), SPG/TD (TD, Autocannoni, Post-war, ATGM), captured. This I think would sort things a little better.

 

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20 hours ago, Nemrav said:

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Thank you! I will be sure to look through these and add what I can.

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See what did I tell you when I posted asking about vehicles? So many we don't know what to do with them all!!!!! Add them in-game right? lol.

 

Anyways that's crazy how you managed to put together this massive list of vehicles and I thank you a lot for providing such easy access for me, and many others. 

 

Hopefully after a mod helps you make sure your post is the best it can be, something like this can be pinned up that way later on we can also just link the threads of each vehicle people have brought up on the forums. 

 

Mostly from the suggestion part of the forums but it can be anywhere as long as the thread is constructive. 

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@CarcanoM38 Some of the links seem to link back to this page. Is that intentional? 

 

3 hours ago, KapitanRedDead said:

 

 

Carcano is someone you can really rely on to do the work. This page is definitely very helpful and basically, as you said, solves the problem of your original question a couple of weeks ago for new people who are overwhelmed by pages of Italian vehicles. Not that everything is yet covered in separate posts.  

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19 hours ago, KapitanRedDead said:

See what did I tell you when I posted asking about vehicles? So many we don't know what to do with them all!!!!! Add them in-game right? lol.

 

Anyways that's crazy how you managed to put together this massive list of vehicles and I thank you a lot for providing such easy access for me, and many others. 

 

Hopefully after a mod helps you make sure your post is the best it can be, something like this can be pinned up that way later on we can also just link the threads of each vehicle people have brought up on the forums. 

 

Mostly from the suggestion part of the forums but it can be anywhere as long as the thread is constructive. 

 

Thank you! This is why I put together the list, so people who knew little about Italian vehicles could see what Italy could possess in War Thunder. @BlueBeta is the form mod, so its his decision wither or not this form deserves to be pinned. I will have to look through what has been suggested and see what information has been shared. I will try to post links to these suggestions in the OP soon.

 

16 hours ago, Vand3rz said:

@CarcanoM38 Some of the links seem to link back to this page. Is that intentional? 

 

 

Carcano is someone you can really rely on to do the work. This page is definitely very helpful and basically, as you said, solves the problem of your original question a couple of weeks ago for new people who are overwhelmed by pages of Italian vehicles. Not that everything is yet covered in separate posts.  

 

I will look over the links and see what I can do. Thank you for your input!

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