Ingram_IV

MG 151/15 and MG151/20 Weight/Mass incorrect value

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Affected Vehicles: 

  • Bf 109 F-2
  • Bf 109 F-4
  • Bf 109 F-4 (American)
  • Bf 109 F-4 Trop
  • Bf 109 G-2
  • Bf 109 G-2 Trop
  • Bf 109 G-6
  • Bf 109 G-14
  • Bf 109 G-10
  • Bf 109 K-4
  • Fw 190 A-4
  • Fw 190 A-5
  • Fw 190 A-5 (Japanese)
  • Fw 190 A-5/U12
  • Fw 190 A-5/2
  • Fw 190 A-8
  • Fw 190 A-8 (American)
  • Fw 190 F-8
  • Fw 190 D-9
  • Fw 190 D-9 (Soviet)
  • Fw 190 D-12
  • Fw 190 D-13
  • Ta 152 H-1
  • Ta 152 C-3
  • He 162 A-2
  • Do 217 N-1
  • Do 217 N-2
  • Me 410 A-1
  • Me 410 A-1/U2
  • Me 410 B-1
  • Me 410 B-1/U2
  • Me 410 B-6/R3
  • Do 335 A-0
  • Do 335 A-1
  • Do 335 B-2
  • Me 410 B-2/U4* (Edited I typed the an incorrect name)
  • Me 410 A-1/U4 (Edited I typed the an incorrect name)
  • Ju 87 D-5
  • Hs 129 B-2
  • Hs 129 B-2 (Romania)
  • Do 217 E-2
  • Do 217 E-4
  • Bv 238
  • Ta 152 A-1
  • He 219 A-7
  • Ar 234 C-3
  • S.O. 8000 Narval
  • N.C800
  • C.202EC
  • C.205 Serie 3
  • G.55 Sottoserie 0
  • G.55 Centauro Serie 1
  • G.55S
  • C.205 N2
  • Bf 109 G-14/AS
  • G.56
  • Do 17 Z-7 (Added, I forgot this early plane, thanks to Pony51 to remind me this one.)
  • Ki-61-I hei (Added, thanks for *tester188 for notice this.)

 

The mass/weight of the MG151/15 and MG151/20 is incorrect, its is currently stated both at 90 kilograms. 

This MG151/15 had a weight/mass of 84 pounds or 34 kilograms and the MG151/20 had a weight/mass of 93.5 pounds or 42.4 kilograms.

 

Source:

"Tactical and Technical Trends No. 30" 29 July 1943, By the War Department of United States. Page 19 and 20.

Tactical and Technical Trends 30 (Jul 1943).pdf

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"Only for Service Use Manual of MG151 and mg151/20" ,March 1942 Page 17.

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I am fairy new to WT forum, if you need more source or info feel free to contact me.

 

Edited by Ingram_IV
Minor correction and plane name added.
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Please provide in game screen shots of where this information is incorrect.

Rest looks good, will let you know if need more.

 

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Hello there, here is the in game screen shots of where this information is incorrect:

 

 

 

Bf 109 F-2

 

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Bf 109 F-4 and its gun pods.

 

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Bf 109 F-4 (American)

 

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Bf 109 F-4 Trop and its gun pods. (Edited incorrect photo)

 

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Bf 109 G-2 and its gun pods 

 

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Bf 109 G-2 Trop and its gun pods

 

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Bf 109 G-6 and its gun pods* (Edited didn't mention the gun pods) 

 

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Bf 109 G-14 and its gun pods

 

 

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Bf 109 G-10 and its gun pods* (Edited didn't mention gun pods)

 

 

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Bf 109 K-4 and its gun pods.

I still have not unlocked the mg151/20 that goes in the motor compartment. So i don't know that to post in its place. *(Edited, highlighted)

 

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Fw 190 A-4

 

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Fw 190 A-5 *(Edited incorrect photo)

 

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Fw 190 A-5 (Japanese)

 

 

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Fw 190 A-5/U12 and its gun pods

 

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Fw 190 A-5/U2

 

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Fw 190 A-8

 

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Fw 190 A-8 (American)

 

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Fw 190 F-8

 

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Fw 190 D-9

 

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Fw 190 D-9 (Soviet)

 

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Fw 190 D-12

 

 

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Fw 190 D-13

 

 

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Ta 152 H-1

 

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Ta 152 C-3

 

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He 162 A-2

 

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Do 217 N-1

 

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Do 217 N-2

 

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Me 410 A-1* (Edited incorrect photo) 

 

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Me 410 A-1/U2

 

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Me 410 B-1

 

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Me 410 B-1/U2

 

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Me 410 B-6/R3

 

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Do 335 A-0 and its motor gun change 

 

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Do 335 A-1

 

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Do 335 B-2

 

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Me 410 B-2/U4* (I incorrectly typed it Do 410 B-2/U2 on original post)

 

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Me 410 A-1/U4* (I incorrectly typed it Do 410 B-2/U2 on original post)

 

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Ju 87 D-5 and its gun pods

 

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Hs 129 B-2

 

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Hs 129 B-2 (Romania)

 

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Do 217 E-2

 

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Do 217 E-4

 

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Bv 238

 

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Ta 152 A-1

 

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He 219 A-7

 

 

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Ar 234 C-3

 

 

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S.O. 8000 Narval

 

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N.C800

 

I don't own this plane, I don't know what to post. But I know it is a Fw 190 A-8 so, can someone post it for me?

 

C.202EC

 

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C.205 Serie 3

 

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G.55 Sottoserie 0

 

 

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G.55 Centauro Serie 1

 

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G.55S

 

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C.205 N2

 

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Bf 109 G-14/AS and its gun pods

 

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G.56

 

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Thanks for your time, If you need more source or info feel free to contact me.

 

 

 

 

Edited by Ingram_IV
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WOW!

 

Thanks for you hard work!

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Maybe shown mass include both mass of ammunition and belt itself ? As I know 20mm rounds weights 100grams each, multiplied by 350 rounds ammo itself can weight approx 35kg !

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8 hours ago, NoreZi said:

Maybe shown mass include both mass of ammunition and belt itself ? As I know 20mm rounds weights 100grams each, multiplied by 350 rounds ammo itself can weight approx 35kg !

 

4 hours ago, s9723 said:

Maybe 90kg means rough mass of mg151 + ammunition?

 

Not likely:

1. not all have same number of rounds.

2. MG151/15 round weighs a bit less, but in game same 90kg

3. as ammo used the weight will change.

 

As it is, to number may just be a text, does nothing to FM.

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We will see.

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You forgot the Do 17Z-7 and Ju 88C-6, added them to list.

 

Report filed.  o7 

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23 hours ago, Pony51 said:

You forgot the Do 17Z-7 and Ju 88C-6, added them to list.

 

Report filed.  o7 

Hello thanks for the remind, the Do 17 Z-7 was added to the original post list. while the Ju 88C-6 was not,because i don't  find it to have mg151/15 or mg 151/20

 

New screenshot with incorrect information of the mg151/20 added:

Do 17 Z-7 

 

Do 17 Z-7.jpg

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3 hours ago, Ingram_IV said:

Hello thanks for the remind, the Do 17 Z-7 was added to the original post list. while the Ju 88C-6 was not,because i don't  find it to have mg151/15 or mg 151/20

Do 17 Z-7

 

 

Ohhh, yes, the 88c-6 is incorrect.  It should have 1x 151.  for a different report.

2 minutes ago, *tester188 said:

Could you add Ki-61-I hei to the list, too?

 

Ki-61-I hei

 

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Will do!

 

I think it is a universal value.  Set one, all will change.

 

...That the only Japanese plane with 151?

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2 hours ago, Pony51 said:

...That the only Japanese plane with 151?

 

I think that Ki-61-I hei is the only Japanese aircraft equipped with MG 151/20 in the game and in history.
The German aircraft purchased by Japan for research is an exception.

 

Reference

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Books:

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Japanese military aircraft dictionary 1910-1945 Army version. Written by Shigeru  Nohara. October 2005. ISBN-13: 978-4871497329, Page 180.

 

 

Historical documents:

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Supplements Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 to manual on Japanese aircraft, TAIC No. 1, 19 March to 7 August 1945. Report No. 9-a(46), USSBS Index Section 6. Page 72.

http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/4009758/72?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F4009758&contentNo=72&__lang=en

 

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TY  :good:

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Hello there, thanks *tester188 for the additional info, I added the Ki-61-I hei to the original post. , that info also shows the correct weight of the weapon.

Also I would like to ask ¿should the AMX-50 Foch be included in the list? it has the mg151/15 as a secondary gun. but I don't know why it does not show the mass/weight value.

 

 

AMX-50 Foch (Ground Vehicle)

 

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Lets see after the fix is applied.

Not all info module is displayed in all objects.

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