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British Bug Reports

A place to discuss and list all bug reports for British ground forces. I will try my best to update this list. 

 

Issues to be submitted:

Valentine Mk. I issues with armour thickness

 

Pending bug reports: 

Avenger missing structural steel of chassis

- Cromwell Mk. I missing structural steel of chassis

- Cromwell Mk. V missing structural steel of chassis

- Cromwell RP-3 missing structural steel of chassis

- Churchill Mk. III missing structural steel + turret offside incorrect thickness

- Sherman Firefly VC Wrong Smoke Dischargers

- Churchill Mk. VII issues with armour thickness (Additional)

- Cromwell I modelled/armed with wrong 6-Pdr

- Crusader AA Mk. I missing rear smoke generators

- Crusader AA Mk. II missing rear smoke generators

- A30 Avenger missing rear smoke generators

- Valentine Mk. XI missing rear smoke generators

- Crusader Mk. III missing rear smoke generators

- Cromwell RP-3 missing rear smoke generators

- Cromwell Mk. V missing rear smoke generators

- A34 Comet missing rear smoke generators

- A30 Challenger missing rear smoke generators

- Archer missing rear smoke generators

- Churchill Mk. VII missing rear smoke generators

Challenger I Mk. 2 armor values (Duckmartin)

- Swingfire ATGM on FV102 Striker missing penetration (*Carbide_)

 

Resolved bug reports:

- AC IV Historical Issues

- Churchill III stowage box not modelled as armour

Churchill Mk. VII missing structural steel

- Churchill VII stowage box not modelled as armour

- 3 inch Gun Carrier's stowage boxes not modelled as armour

- Black Prince spare track link armour

- Black Prince track guards not modelled as armour.

- Sherman VC Firefly sections missing from damage model

- Sherman IC Firefly "Scorpion" sections missing from damage model

- Excelsior missing smoke shells

- Cromwell Mk. V missing smoke shells

- Cromwell RP-3 missing smoke shells

- Churchill Mk. VII missing smoke shells

- Valentine Mk. XI missing smoke shells

- Churchill Mk. III issues with armour thickness: Partially resolved still needs hull MG port armour fixed. Also needs internal MS plates and rear fuel drum added to damage model.

- Sherman IC Firefly missing smoke grenades: Partially resolved still needs number of smoke grenades fixed.

- Churchill Mk. VII issues with armour thickness: Partially resolved still needs hull MG port fixed.

- AEC Mk. II Wrong Crew Size:

- Valentine Mk. I wrong engine power

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Dedushka_1963 said:

 

You can't use wikipedia as a source unfortunately. Needs to be some kind of technical document - actual vehicle manual or archive information (primary source), or at least 2 published works - books, magazines, websites (secondary sources).

 

Thanks for your help anyway. :)

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5 minutes ago, Jarms said:

 

You can't use wikipedia as a source unfortunately. Needs to be some kind of technical document - actual vehicle manual or archive information (primary source), or at least 2 published works - books, magazines, websites (secondary sources).

 

Thanks for your help anyway. :)

 

Wiki can link to some decent sources at the bottom

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You could always use this I guess for the Churchill

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Edit: Hmmm on second tought maybe not, the MKV seems related to the 75mm, not the 6pdr... 

 

Secondary source then... first one 

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For the Cromwell MkI I think I have some parts list mentioning both the MkIII and MkV canon.

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On 11/29/2017 at 1:17 PM, FuryMkI said:

You could always use this I guess for the Churchill

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Edit: Hmmm on second tought maybe not, the MKV seems related to the 75mm, not the 6pdr... 

 

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For the Cromwell MkI I think I have some parts list mentioning both the MkIII and MkV canon.

 

AFV Profile was the first reference I had, thanks for the second! Much appreciated.

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For the Cromwell I, not sure if you could do something about this but it might always help

 

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Just a bit of an update on this. Churchill Mk. III bug report was accepted, so hopefully sometime over the next few months it is correctly modelled with the 6-Pdr Mk. V. 

 

On 01/12/2017 at 2:16 AM, FuryMkI said:

For the Cromwell I, not sure if you could do something about this but it might always help

 

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Tried using that source. Unfortunately it’s not what they’re looking for. Don’t suppose you have anything else, Fury?

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Nope, Magicool asked me,  I checked but couldn't find anything specific related to the length of both barrels sorry :dntknw:

 

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To show the measurements for the two different 6-Pdr’s I gave him these:

 

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Credit goes to Time4Tea, for PMing me these from his report. 

 

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I also gave gave him this from the Churchill report as it has the caliber measurements for both the Mk. III and V. 

 

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Then to explain what caliber measurements were: 

 

- 6-Pdr Mk. III: 43 calibers x 57mm = 2457mm or 2.45m

- 6-Pdr Mk. V: 50 calibers x 57mm = 2850mm or 2.85m

 

But I’m afraid this might not be enough. Shame, there’s just not many sources that differentiate between the 2 6-Pdr’s mounted on the Cromwell Mk. I

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Another update with this one, does anyone know how to make in-game measurements?

 

5 hours ago, Magicool said:

 

Maybe you can find some more info too and you can use the asset viewer of the CDK to examine the model closer.

 

 

Magicool suggested using CDK, but I don't know what I'm doing with that.

 

I have also attempted to submit a bug report with the information I have so far, any help would be appreciated.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/402404-cromwell-i-modelledarmed-with-wrong-6-pdr/

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Alright fellas, just realized I've submitted something around 18 bug reports over the last two months. What's next? Lol.

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6 hours ago, SneakySausage said:

How many where accepted ?

Would you know if one has been submitted about cromwells lack of reloading its smoke grenades and its lack of smoke?

 

Almost all of them. If any don’t get approved I’ll go back and search / ask for additional sources, then resubmit. I think the reloading bug was fixed. I have reported the missing smoke shells, and missing rear smoke generators. The former has been accepted so far.

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Edited initial post to reflect latest bug report.

 

Was wondering if anyone has any additional sources on the A30 Avenger's armour thickness? It's current in-game model is largely sharing the Cromwell's armour profile, which I believe is incorrect. My current and only source is "A30 Challenger Tank A Technical History" by P.M. Knight which seems to reinforce this claim. I however, need an additional source to back this up.

 

What I think needs to be done (as per source from P.M. Knight):

- hull armour needs to be made to same armour standards as A30 Challenger

- turrer armour needs to be 50.8 / 40 / 40

- counterweight at rear of turret needs to be modelled separately as armour

 

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Hello Jarms, sadly I don't have much more than you on the Avenger, I have some documents from Bovi but nothing armour related, this summer I'll try to look more into it at the NA if I have time but I can't guarantee you anything. :dntknw:

 

I just saw that you changed the title of your topic, how about using this place as a general database similarly to what JimSan did for the airplanes ? https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/341237-british-aviation-bug-tracking-thread/

 

We could list reports by vehicle's name in spoilers, what has been reported, what has been corrected, etc... We could also discuss about future bug report or ask for information for example ?

 

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18 hours ago, FuryMkI said:

 

Hello Jarms, sadly I don't have much more than you on the Avenger, I have some documents from Bovi but nothing armour related, this summer I'll try to look more into it at the NA if I have time but I can't guarantee you anything. :dntknw:

 

 

Cheers, mate.

 

18 hours ago, FuryMkI said:

 

I just saw that you changed the title of your topic, how about using this place as a general database similarly to what JimSan did for the airplanes ? https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/341237-british-aviation-bug-tracking-thread/

 

We could list reports by vehicle's name in spoilers, what has been reported, what has been corrected, etc... We could also discuss about future bug report or ask for information for example ?

 

 

That's a cool idea. We should definitely do that, would make everything easier for all of us.

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Chieftain's turret needs to be reported, the "mantlet" area is horrible, not much better than M60A1 "hollow" gunshield. I only got this requirements docs from Jarms, that's definitely not enough for reporting. Or should we try?

 

Btw it's really annoying how many tanks have their turret face/mantlet modeled with errors that creates weakspots.

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It could work considering it’s from the archives and should be considered a primary source. I can get you the cover page too. I think I forgot that. 

 

If if you found any secondary supporting sources in the meantime that would definitely make it easier. 

 

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Here's a Russian document I found outlying the armour thickness. 

 

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This one is a Swedish source.

 

Here's a separate source from the Australian Archives:

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Here's a general specification outline of the "pike nose" Chieftain.

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On 11/04/2018 at 5:03 AM, Jarms said:

Edited initial post to reflect latest bug report.

 

Was wondering if anyone has any additional sources on the A30 Avenger's armour thickness? It's current in-game model is largely sharing the Cromwell's armour profile, which I believe is incorrect. My current and only source is "A30 Challenger Tank A Technical History" by P.M. Knight which seems to reinforce this claim. I however, need an additional source to back this up.

 

What I think needs to be done (as per source from P.M. Knight):

- hull armour needs to be made to same armour standards as A30 Challenger

- turrer armour needs to be 50.8 / 40 / 40

- counterweight at rear of turret needs to be modelled separately as armour

 

@Time4Tea @FuryMkI @Whelmy

 

No more needeed I guess... 

https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/240869-1772149-avenger-oshibki-v-bronirovanii/

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@Jarms the Russian document is not showing, but I guess I know which one it is.

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3 minutes ago, Godman_82 said:

@Jarms the Russian document is not showing, but I guess I know which one it is.

 

Do you see it ? I just added the main one but there are more

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7 minutes ago, FuryMkI said:

 

Do you see it ? I just added the main one but there are more

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I was talking about Chieftain :)

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1 minute ago, Godman_82 said:

I was talking about Chieftain :)

Woops sorry ^^ didn't see you were replying to Jarms !

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42 minutes ago, Godman_82 said:

@Jarms the Russian document is not showing, but I guess I know which one it is.

 

You probably do, that one is pretty easy to find with a simple google search.

 

1 hour ago, FuryMkI said:

 

Excellent! I'm going to save that document for later. Just in case... :D

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