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A suitable Tier 2 premium for the French tree : the Renard R36

The Belgian Renard R36  

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  1. 1. Would you like to see the Renard R36 as a French Premium plane ?

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Hi,

 

The arrival of the French tech tree is also an opportunity to see material from other related or "similar" countries. One of those countries is Belgium because, after all, half of Belgium is French speaking after all :p

 

One of those planes that would be great to show the war potential of our Belgian friends would be the Renard R36.

 

Some rapid history

 

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The Renard R36 was designed to replace the old Fairey Firefly Mk.IIM. The plane first flew in 1937 and tests were promissing, it had good performances for the time, even better than the British Hawker Hurricane Mk1. The plane was even proposed to the French Government, with a planned batch of 100 planes, but France declined the offer. But then, after a tragic accident during a test flight in early 1939, the Belgian Government cancelled the production of the R36 and decided instead to buy British Hurricanes. The plane was supposed to be followed by 3 variants, the R37, powered by a Gnome-Rhône 4N21 engine, the R38 and R40, both powered by a Merlin II engine, the R40 being a version that would be exported to France following French interest in the project. With the testing problems and the war, only 6 R36 were ever produced.

 

The machine

 

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Powerplant : Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs 21, 910hp

Armament : 4 x 7.7mm FN Browning machineguns in the wings, 1 x 20mm Hotchkiss cannon through the propeller hub

Payload : 80 kg of bombs

Empty weight : 1 810 kg

Max takeoff weight : 2 460 kg

Max speed : 515 km/h at 4 000 m

Climb rate : up to 4 000 m in 4 mn 56 s (13.5 m/s)

service ceiling : 12 000 m

Range : 890 km

 

Sources ( all in French... sorry :( )

http://www.fnar.be/?Les_Avions_Renard:R36

http://www.avionslegendaires.net/avion-militaire/renard-r-36/

http://aviation-militaire.kazeo.com/renard-r-36-a121956426

 

I think it would be a really good French Tier 2 premium at a BR around 2.7 or 3, and also be a great way to introduce Belgium into the game.

I hope you will approve that potential addition into the game. A poll is here to give your opinion quickly on the topic, but a discussion is still welcome.

 

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pretty nice plane. in ww2, the French was helping a lot the Belgian when the german invaded their country. that didn't turned well but that just show how close France was to belgium, not only on the map or economically but also politically. having them as premium for french tree will just make sense.

 

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14 hours ago, CaID said:

pretty nice plane. in ww2, the French was helping a lot the Belgian when the german invaded their country. that didn't turned well but that just show how close France was to belgium, not only on the map or economically but also politically. having them as premium for french tree will just make sense.

 

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It's also a plane that would handle quite like a French Fighter. The engine is a French Hispano-Suiza V12 and the weapons are half French, half Britsh. It would be an interesting mix between a Hurricane and a VG.33.

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7 hours ago, Shepard_FR said:

 

It's also a plane that would handle quite like a French Fighter. The engine is a French Hispano-Suiza V12 and the weapons are half French, half Britsh. It would be an interesting mix between a Hurricane and a VG.33.

actually the Hotchkiss is a french gun and the FN Browning is a license built M1919 from Fabrique National. so this last is half Belgian and half American.

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On 26/11/2017 at 7:43 AM, CaID said:

actually the Hotchkiss is a french gun and the FN Browning is a license built M1919 from Fabrique National. so this last is half Belgian and half American.

 

I meant that the 7.7mm Brownings uses the same ammo as the British does.

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Looks like a good option.  If there's anywhere to put Belgian aircraft after the International Tech Tree was cancelled in all but name (officially, it's on "indefinite hiatus", but we all know what that likely means in reality), the French tree's the best place.

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+1.  The French air tree needs some more fleshing out (like the Italian air tree and Japanese tank tree) and this plane would make an excellent addition.

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Am I the only one dreaming about a belgian line in the french tree with the Renard 36, 37, 38 and 40 (premium) ?

The fact is Italy gonna have romanian and other minor axis vehicules... 

 

http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/s-a-m-31-the-belgian-alternative

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On 09/06/2018 at 04:37, sh4d0w said:

Am I the only one dreaming about a belgian line in the french tree with the Renard 36, 37, 38 and 40 (premium) ?

The fact is Italy gonna have romanian and other minor axis vehicules... 

 

http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/s-a-m-31-the-belgian-alternative

 

Not to mention all the ties between the French and Belgian military before WW2 broke out.

Belgium had fortification lines planned for the French infantry as an extension of the Maginot line just in case German declared war (but this plan was cancelled by the Belgian king in 1938, exposing the Ardennes). At some one the French were interested into having some of those R.36s produced for them.

Having an premium line of Belgian planes for the French would indeed being very interesting just like how Commonwealth nations are included in the British tree, and Romania in Italy.

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Wouldn't the FN Brownings be in 7.92 caliber (8mm Mauser)? At least that's what the FN Brownings on the IAR 81 use.

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On 15/11/2018 at 03:07, FouManchou said:

Wouldn't the FN Brownings be in 7.92 caliber (8mm Mauser)? At least that's what the FN Brownings on the IAR 81 use.

 

Browning sold machineguns to pretty much the entire world, and rechambered the guns for specific country if necessary, that's why there are Brownings chambered in 7.62x63 (30-06), 7.7x56 (.303), 7.5x54 (7.5 MAS) or even 7.92x57 (8mm Mauser). Romania had German ammo so they ordered Brownings in 8mm Mauser, Belgium had British ammo so they ordered Brownings in .303 British.

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