30/11/17 S-21 rocket error

[SaratogaCV60 178]

Hi,

 

S-21 rocket flight speed should be 385MPS instead of the current game 610MPS.

 

The charge is not the game 46KG, but the warhead weight 46KG. According to the current 46KG calculation, the packing factor reached 39%, this is completely impossible.

 

SOVIET/RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT WEAPONS Since World War Two    Author: Yefim Gordon (Russian)

 

 

http://juveclub.ru/item/126

 

There are references to this site that the S-21 rockets only 5.3KG explosives, and there is some reference source. But I do not understand Russian and can not find these books.

http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/anur/s21.html

 

And as mentioned in the other information above, the S-21's warheads are made of fragments, combustibles and explosives, so he can not have 46KG of explosives and can not reach other types of high-explosive rockets rate.

 

A weapon that has such a grave mistake that it has a huge impact on the current balance of the game, if not quickly fixed, I recommend removing it temporarily before fixing it.

[Rapitor 10,702]

Hi.

I will investigate the issue,

 

thank you

[Rapitor 10,702]

Can you please provide a 2nd book source / technical document ?

 

The 2 weblinks are not compliant, and for not OEM sources, we require at least 2.

 

regards

[SaratogaCV60 178]

7 hours ago, Rapitor said:

Can you please provide a 2nd book source / technical document ?

 

The 2 weblinks are not compliant, and for not OEM sources, we require at least 2.

 

regards

Without more, S-21's English language is scarce. There were some references to books on the second websites, but I couldn't understand them and couldn't find them.

 

But now the performance of S-21 is illogical, even stupid. Its charge ratio is close to 39%, which reaches the proportion of bomb loading, far beyond other conventional rockets.

Usually the rocket charge is about 20% of the warhead weight, but the S-21 warhead is different from the traditional high explosive warhead, and also has extra shrapnel and combustion agent, so the proportion will be lower. And the 5.3kg mentioned above is more logical.

 

In terms of speed, the maximum flight speed of s-24 is less than 450mps, and s-25 is less than 600mps, and S-21 has no reason to achieve faster 610mps.

Edited November 23, 2017 by MisakaMikoto_

[Totori_ 126]

15 hours ago, Rapitor said:

Can you please provide a 2nd book source / technical document ?

 

The 2 weblinks are not compliant, and for not OEM sources, we require at least 2.

 

regards

 

Although maybe we cant provide two books to  prove the data of S-21 rocket,this rocket is obviously wrong,because

1.we all agree the total weight of S-21 is 118kg,if the explosives is 46kg,the packing factor reached 39%,somehow a very magic data compare to other rockets used by all countries(including Russia,Ill mention below) It become more magic for its 610mps speed.

2. I cant imagine if the data in game is true,why Russia develop S-24 and S-25 rocket.(I can provide two second source of these two rockets if you need)

the total weight of S-24 is 235kg,weight of warhead is 123kg,weight of explosive is 23.5kg(the packing factor only reached 10%)max speed is 413mps.It heavier and bigger than S-21(data in game)but slower and less powerful.If the data of S21 in game is true,why S-24 can enter the serivce?Even the S-25(total weight 480kg,warhead  190kg)have only 27kg explosives.

Yefirm Gordon is the most famous writer of Russian/USSR airplane after 

the disintegration of USSR.His book is the only source we can find about S-21written by English.So can the developer provide their source（even only one second hand source) of S-21 to prove the data in game is true?

Edited November 23, 2017 by RRmerlin66

[Rapitor 10,702]

We can argue all day about it.

 

For now, I have one source, no technical ones, and in game values that are from a hand written string, which can be wrong while the performance in the code are correct.

 

I need therefore, as I mentioned, at least proper info for review

[SaratogaCV60 178]

A weapon, if its part of the performance is logically completely wrong, then it should not be repaired or temporarily removed? The current S-21 is completely illogical in terms of explosives loading, and none of the rocket charges can reach 39%, and it reaches that value. All the information has stated that the warhead weight is 46KG, but the weight of explosives in the game is 46KG, this is a clear mistake. If you simply refuse to deal with this stupid 100% load factor warhead simply because you did not find any more information that can justify its actual weight, I can not understand how you decide if a BUG needs to be prioritized.

 

It is really outrageous that a clear and stupid mistake has been rejected by you, rendering this weapon totally impossible. When all the rockets have adopted the new damage model, forced to use new tactics of the time. You have to release a clearly wrong weapon to use a simpler tactic to simply destroy the tank or aircraft.

 

The weapon was suspected of being erroneous from the 1.71 DEV server, but was deliberately concealed by some who discovered it in advance. Let it be a tool for profit for some, and until now you refused to correct it.

[Rapitor 10,702]

On 27.11.2017 at 5:12 PM, MisakaMikoto_ said:

A weapon, if its part of the performance is logically completely wrong, then it should not be repaired or temporarily removed? The current S-21 is completely illogical in terms of explosives loading, and none of the rocket charges can reach 39%

As far as I am concerned, for now, the only "testing" you did is to mention the textbox coming from the mouse-over, which is, like most stat chart, a manually typed string, subject to human mistake.

 

I can report that the textbox is incorrect, but I won't report that IG performance are wrong, since no testing has been made, and all conclusions are drawn from a textbox, not any actual proper testing.

 

Do you understand my point ?

[Totori_ 126]

10 hours ago, Rapitor said:

As far as I am concerned, for now, the only "testing" you did is to mention the textbox coming from the mouse-over, which is, like most stat chart, a manually typed string, subject to human mistake.

 

I can report that the textbox is incorrect, but I won't report that IG performance are wrong, since no testing has been made, and all conclusions are drawn from a textbox, not any actual proper testing.

 

Do you understand my point ?

So its better to report that text bug first,then let developer check the codes about IG performance.

 

[Rapitor 10,702]

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