Chinese Air tree  

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  1. 1. do you want to see Independant Chinese tree in Gaijin's Warthunder?

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First thing. before 1950, China was the theater of a deadly civil war who was making both industry and economy weak, the many try of china to produce their own plane was partially failled. the break of the Japanese Invasion on china even made the thing hard to china to built their own plane or have their own factory. however, China was still in that time a economical power. it was in all, slightly superrior to Japan but divided between many warlord, regional army and rebellious army. most of the aircraft who flew over china was mostly purchased from other country and usually in a little quantity and wide variety. in other word, every faction in china was buying their own plane at their taste.

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While china was big and strong, It wasn't united. to define what the Chinese Air tree, i should define what wold be allowed into their rank with strict rules. the Chinese air force is actually the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) but was formed in 1949. there was many other airforce in china before 1949 and they should be put into consideration under some requirement to decide if yes or no they should be allowed in the Chinese tree. the First requirement is ''was it used for china'' it's a unclear requirement that simply decide if it would be logic to add it or not make any sense. the second requirement is ''was it used by the Republic of China (ROC) after December 1949?'' this clear requirement is simply made to split the Republican Chinese who became know as Taiwanese after the end of the Chinese Civil war, they are from that date 2 different country with 2 very different policy and government and should not be mix. the last requirement is ''was is used by North Korea or North Vietnam?'' this is simply meant to stuffed the Chinese tree, mainly to add some very necessary Ground vehicles that was lacked in China, in the Air tree it was simply to either fill holes or add variety.

 


WHY? a lesson of History

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Now to explain why China should have a Independent tree is simple. War Thunder have not 2 but 3 alliance hower the times. The first is Obviously those who are seem as the Bad guys in history which is clearly the Axis Power which are the Fascist nation such as Germany, Italy and Japan but all tree joined the Nato as a member or a partner after his formation. the Second Faction is the famous and victorious Allied powers which included the Commonwealth (UK), the USA, France, the Soviet Russia (URSS) and the often forgotten and in civil war China. if we apply the cold war relation, we have 2 different alliance, the Nato with the Combined power of the UK, USA, France, Italy, Germany and Japan Against the Communist alliance, which is actually simply URSS. it's not very fair at all. but if we add China with the North-Korean and north-Vietnam as side kick, we get a real alliance to be promoted in the game. so to resume, the three alliance could be defined by the Fascist Alliance (Germany, Italy, Japan) the Capitalist alliance (USA, UK, France) and the Communist alliance (URSS, China).

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the second reason to add China as an Independent nation is to eventually Merge the Chinese version of the game by Tencent. Tencent's War Thunder is legally published in china for chinese citizen only. you can download the game for free, but to register an account you need the to have a Chinese citizen's number. In Tencent's War Thunder, you can actually play a chinese faction who is very little and lack of about everything. it was obviously mainly built for patriotic satisfaction rather than making the games really interesting. if we have the Chinese faction available in the Clients server of the rest of the world, we could even talk about playing with the Chinese player on Tencent's War Thunder.

for the Last reason to add the Chinese, is simply that from the late Colonial Era to the Modern times, the Chinese industry and influence over the world made China a one of the Super-power of the world. the ''Sleeping empire'' the British called them while trading Chinaware from their colony. in WW2, China was Divided but if it was united, it would had certainly overwhelmed the Japanese by their massive number. where the Japanese could field 100,000 men, China would field 500,000, where Japan could field 1,000,000 men, China could field 4,000,000. the problem with China in that time was the Civil war left a very divided country and unstable economy. so when japan could field 100,000 men to face 500,000 Chinese men, Japan was also fielding 500tanks, 1,000 feild guns and 500 planes to face 50tanks and 50planes 200 field guns (a general example). China was also divided so their men was leaded by many different faction who was also sometime fighting each other making the china weaker and ill equipped. After the end of the WW2, China keep going with his Civil war, the Japanese invasion gave the chance of the Communist Chinese to united their strength while weakened the ROC to slowly win the Civil war. as soon China was once again united, the economy start to grow at a very high speed. with the Support of the URSS, China developed a strong military industry developing their own vehicles from the Russian one at a lower cost. the as soon the civil war ended in China, China started to get involve in the neighbor's war. China participated in some of the Major post WW2 conflict such as Korean war and Vietnam war. the strong and active support of China into those 2 major war did change the outcome. while North-Korea was almost lost after the landing of the American soldier and their allied, Korea was almost completely under the control of the south-Korean's supporter. when China entered in the war, the front was almost at his border and the fast push back leaded to the actual north-south Korean's border.

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In Vietnam, the French Indochina was in war for the Independence of the Indochina. China was supporting the Rebel and forced the French to enter to a ''stronghold'' policy in the hope to cut the Chinese supply line, making them to trap themselves in a dead-hole. while retreating their army from Indochina, China and France negotiated the new border of the new country which was splinted in 4 country (Laos, Cambodia, North-Vietnam and South-Vietnam) the new border was meant to split the zone of influence between the Capitalism and the Communist. however, the North Vietnam was where the Major Rebel leader of Indochina was with their army, they didn't stopped to those border and wanted South-Vietnam and north-Vietnam unified. the war went on and while France keep up with their armistice (and another ongoing war in Algeria) the USA, supported by the commonwealth, went in support of South-Vietnam while the North was supported by the URSS and China. while very proud, the North-Vietnam was simply unable to built up their own army with local equipment and hope to the war. however, China was there to offer massive amounts of tanks, Plane, weapons, ammunition and even soldier to fight the south (mostly leaded by USA) the outcome was well know to be a total but costly victory of the north.

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What would the Tree look like? simple, it's a mix of Purchased plane, locally built plane and a few captured plane as premium. while building up the tree. i try to avoid the most i can the planes of the other country to avoid to make a Copy-Paste of half Russian and half American tree. i however promoted the locally built planes variation, the field modification and the 100% Chinese planes. some plane may seem strange at first but many was simply renamed after the Chinese designation with few or no modification at all.

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here is the V.2.07 of the Unofficial Chinese tree

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WHAT ARE ALL THOSE PLANES?
 

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To be simple. they are planes that was Used in china or by the Koran or Vietnam at some point of the times. most of them saw limited action, was i limited quantity and the repair and maintenance was difficult so durring their service in WW2 they was often already all out of service after a few months. China had a lot fewer planes than their foes, Japan but china did menage to put a few victory in the war.

 

so let's start to present the planes on the list one by one (the list will be very long and i will put a few picture for services evidence as proves of each planes, a little history of their services, a little performence chart and source of the information. please use CRTL+F to skip to the plane that interest you if you don't want to read all of it.)

 

Fighter Line 1 (CAF)

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FuHsing-1

The xxxx-Hsing aircraft was a Chinese copy of the I-15 with modification to fill 2 roles, the first to act as a trainer plane, the second to act as reconnaissance plane. the production of the plane started in 1935 with 20planes. the design was made by the Russian immigrant Zakharchenko who was already working on the plane in 1934 with the financial support of Shiukwan Aircraft Works, the plane was built and upgraded to be armed and carry bombs.

this plane would make a good Reserve

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Performance

Speed: 288km/h

Armament: 2 × offensive 7.62mm MG 1x defensive 7.62mm (or a camera)

Bombload: up to 181kg in small bombs in 4 hardpoints

http://archive.is/20140717180354/cwlam2000.0catch.com/cafx07.htm

http://www.chineseaircraft.cn/showss.php?id=2200

 

Zhong 28Yi

The Zhong 28Yi or Royalty 28B was a Chinese airplane made in the first aircraft factory, the plane was built from 1938 to 1943 and was based on the I-152. the Russian who was at first suppose to set a large production of airplane in china disliked the idea of giving to china the necessary expertise to built or develop aircraft that may someday be used against them. the original 120 i-152 who was to be deliver in china was never totally deliver. so china didn't left their country fight without the necessary plane to defend themselves against the invading Chinese and built a plane with the i-152 frame, and the Hawk 3 engine and propeller. the difference is so little and so few picture are clearly identifiable that people often mistook them for I-152 but the exhaust was change, the tail sky was change for a wheel, and the propeller have 3 blade. 30 of those plane was built but was coming too late, the American plane was more suitable for battle and the Zhong 28Yi was only used for training.

recommended BR of 1.0 possible reserve

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Performance

Speed: 365 km/h

Armament: 4 × 7.62mm MG

Bombload: none

http://www.chineseaircraft.cn/showss.php?id=2206

 

I-15Bis Zhandoushi

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for most of the Fighter plane, the I-15Bis was a Russian biplane fighter given to the CAF. in 1937 a non-aggression pact was sign between the Russian and China with a secret aggrement that Russia will give military aid to China in their fight against Japanese invasion. a total of 255 I-15Bis was sent soon after with 250 voluntary Russian pilot. by 1939, a number of 357 I-15bis was reccorded to serve mostly in north China by the Mongolian border. however, the Chinese I-15Bis saw hard action against the new and more performing Japanese monoplane.

recommended BR of 1.3

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Performance

Speed: 379km/h @ 3500m

Armament: 4 × 7.62mm ShKAS machine guns

Bombload: 150kg (no record of rocket was used on the I-15bis in china)

http://www.airpages.ru/eng/ru/i15bis.shtml

 

I-153 Zhandoushi

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for most of the Fighter plane, The i-153 was an Russian plane that served in north china with the CAF from 1940. they was given by Russia as military aid in the Chinese fight against the Japanese. 75 I-153 was received and served in I-15 squadron. while it was more performing than the I-15Bis, it was still not as performing as the Japanese plane of this time and the Chinese suffer heavy lose of the I-153. the surviving I-153 was retired in 1942

recommended BR of 1.7

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Performance

Speed: 424 km/h

Armament: 4 × 7.62mm ShKAS machine guns

Bombload: none

rocket: 4x RS-82

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-153戰鬥機

http://www.airpages.ru/eng/ru/i15bis.shtml

 

 

I-16 type 5

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for most of the Fighter plane, The i-16 type 5 was officially given to china from march 1939 however, some source claim that the plane was in china from october 1938 but was only simply training the Chinese pilots to the plane before officially equipe the CAF. the plane was later assembled in Urumchi, china, without modification from the original plane (if not the Chinese writing), the accurate number of Type 5 is uncertain due to the mix of the Type 10 and the lack of documentation of the Chinese production, but a total of 216 I-16s was diliver to china from Russia and those plane serve in north China and suffer heavy lose.

recommended BR of 1.7

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Performance

Speed: 444 km/h

Armament: 2x7.62mm ShKAS machine guns

Bombload: none

rocket: none

http://documentstalk.com/wp/i-16/

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_polikarpov_I-16.html

 

 

I-16 type 5

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for most of the Fighter plane, The i-16 type 5 was officially given to china from march 1939 however, some source claim that the plane was in china from october 1938 but was only simply training the Chinese pilots to the plane before officially equipe the CAF. the plane was later assembled in Urumchi, china, without modification from the original plane (if not the Chinese writing), the accurate number of Type 5 is uncertain due to the mix of the Type 10 and the lack of documentation of the Chinese production, but a total of 216 I-16s was deliver to china from Russia by truck and those plane serve in north China and suffer heavy lose.

recommended BR of 1.3

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Performance

Speed: 444 km/h

Armament: 2x7.62mm ShKAS machine guns

Bombload: none

rocket: none

http://documentstalk.com/wp/i-16/

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/伊-16戰鬥機

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_polikarpov_I-16.html

 

I-16 type 10

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for most of the Fighter plane, The i-16 type 10 was a russian plane that was widely used in North china with the CAF. there is some 216 1-16s was sent to china as military aid and some more was built in the factory of Urumchi. the I-16 type 10 serve in china from 1939.

recommended BR of 1.7

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Performance

Speed: 450 km/h

Armament: 4x7.62mm ShKAS machine guns

Bombload: none

rocket: none

http://documentstalk.com/wp/i-16/

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/伊-16戰鬥機

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_polikarpov_I-16.html

 

Zhong 28Jia

the Zhong 28Jia or Royalty 28A was a chinese plane based on the I-16UTI-1, the SOviet was reculant to provide the chinese the nessaissary expertise to bilt their own plane but china menage to built 120 copy of the I-16 during the Sino-Japanese war. the Zhong 28Jia was built in the 2nd aircraft factory who in a large natural cave. the 2ng factory was given to order to built his own new plane out of a wreakage of a Soviet I-16. the new plane fist trial happen in 1939 and was incorporating a new Wright "whirlwind" 715 horsepower engine, variable pitch propeller, weapons to US-made Colt 12.7 mm caliber machine gun or Danish 20 mm caliber guns. a total of 30 plane was built by 1943 but the the American plane was already the only one to been used in combat against the Japanese. the Zhong 28Jia was used as trainer plane

recommended BR of 2.7 for the 12.7mm, 3.0 for the 20mm

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Performance

Speed: 450 km/h

Armament: 4x12.7 colt MG or 2x 12.7mm colt and 2x 20mm danish cannon

Bombload: none

rocket: none

http://www.chineseaircraft.cn/showss.php?id=2205

 

I-16 type 17

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for most of the Fighter plane, The i-16 type 17 served from 1941 when 75 of those plane was deliver by truck from china. a local production was planed but a difficulty to produced the 20mm ShKAS cannon made it impossible to locally produce, the 75 I-16 type 17 served for the CAF with intentional lose and was incorporated with the I-16 type 5 and 10. the Type 17 was the best fighter that was serving in china in 1941 but didn't get much attention compare with the outnumbers and very similar Type 10.

recommended BR of 2.7

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Performance

Speed: 426 km/h

Armament: 2x7.62mm ShKAS machine guns 2x20mm ShKAS cannon

Bombload: none

rocket: none

https://www.eduard.com/store/out/media/8146.pdf

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/伊-16戰鬥機

 

Yak 9P

the Yak 9p was a Russian made airplane that served in China and later in North Korea, China used their Yak 9P from 1946 during the last years of the Civil war, the aircraft was poorly maintained and the ill trained pilots was suffering heavy lose but still highly contributed to the Chinese Red army's victory ofver the Republican Chinese who was supported by the USA. In North-Korea the information are pretty spare, they did use many Yak-9P wich some of them was Captured by the US and scraped. the Korean Yak-9P was as the Chinese poorly maintained but still highly contributed to the success of the first part of the Korean war before the Landing of the USA and was the main communist fighter before the massive arrival of Mig 15 and J-2 in the conflict.

recommended BR of 5.0

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Performance

Speed: 690 km/h

Armament: 2x20mm B-20M and 1x20mm B-20S

Bombload: none

rocket: none

https://ww2-weapons.com/yak-9/

 

La-11

The first service of the La-11 in China was under the Russian banner in early 1950 when the 106th aviation division was moved to Shanghai to defend the Chinese Red Army air space against the ROCAF. a few encounter with American made airplane resulted in a few ROCAF plane was shutdown. soon after the move of the Russian division, China bought some 163 La-11 on their own. in july 1950, Chinese La-11 was defending the North Korean airspace, North Korea also bought some La-11 in an unknown number.

recommended BR of 5.3

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Performance

Speed: 674 km/h

Armament: 3 × 23 mm NS-23 with 75rounds each.

Bombload: none

rocket: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-11

 

Yak 17UTI

for training purpose, China imported 44 Yak 17UTI in 1950 1951, the reason of the plane was to refit the La-9 and La-11 pilots to Mig 15. the Yak 17UTI was not as well armed compared with the Yak-17 and didn't had as much range but the plane was fitting his purpose well.

recommended BR of 6.0

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Performance

Speed: 750 km/h

Armament: 1x 12.7mm UBS

Bombload: none

rocket: none

 

Hong Zhuan-503

Later know as the JJ-1, the Hong Zhuan-503 was the first native Jet plane of china. the plane was design to offer the Chinese a trainer plane for the mig pilots after the disparity of the Socialism/Communist between USSR and China. 3 plane was built for test purpose and the plane show suitable for his trainer task while able to be slow enough to offer close support and fast enought to escape danger. the plane was never mass produced because the government thought the pilots could do the transition between propeller plane to jet plane without the JJ-1

recommended BR of 7.0

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Performance

Speed: 840 km/h

Armament: 1 × 23 mm NS-23

Bombload: none

rocket: none

http://www.internationalresinmodellers.com/articles_6_hong_zhuan-503shenyang_jj-1

 

Mig 9

in 1950 China received over 30 Mig 9 to defend their airspace against the Taiwanese and American incursion, those plane ware used in the 6th, 7th, 12th, 14th, 16th, and 17th Fighter Divisions of the People's Liberation Army Air. later one the Mig 9 was sent to Korea to help their war. the Chinese gouverment saw more fitting to used the new Mig 15 over the Mig 9 and never used the Mig 9 after the Korean war.

recommended BR of 7.3

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Performance

Speed: 1050 km/h

Armament: 2 × 23 mm NS-23 1x 37mm N-37D

Bombload: none

rocket: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-9

 

Jianjiji-2

the Jianjiji 2 (J-2) was a chinese designation of the Mig 15bis. in 1950, China bought a large number of Mig 15bis and also hired thousand of Russian engineer to produce the trainer version of the plane, the JJ-2. the Chinese J-2 was sent to the Korean border in the early 50s to defend the Chinese airspace against the American reconnaissance plane. soon after the J-2 was involve directly against the F-86 sabre over north Korea suffering of heavy lose but out numbered the American plane. the  J-2 was replaced by the J-5

recommended BR of 9.0

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Performance

Speed: 1076 km/h

Armament: 2 × 23 mm NS-23 1x 37mm N-37D

Bombload: 2x 100kg

rocket: unguided rocket

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15

 

Type 56

the Type 56 was a early chinese designation for the J-5, the Type was based on the Mig 17 with the Fresco-A engine (without afterburner) before producing the J-5. the Type 56 was produced as a pre-serie plane for production test and was upgraded with the Fresco-C like the J-5 before introducing it to services.

recommended BR of 9.0

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The picture is one from the Shengyan 5 but the Type 56 was externally identical.

Performance

Speed: 1150 km/h

Armament: 2 × 23 mm NS-23 1x 37mm N-37D

Bombload: 2x 250kg

rocket: unguided rocket


Fighter line 2 (CAMCO)

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Boeing model 218

The Boeing Model 218 is also know as the Xp-925A. the plane was studied by the USA and used to develop the P-12E. the Model 218 was sold to China in 1932 where the Amarican volonteer pilot Robert Short. over the city of Shanghai, the plane was destroyed after shooting down 2 of 3 Japanese attacker plane that Robert engaged.

 

This plane can only be premium or event plane BR.1.0

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Performance

Speed: 330km/h @ 3000m

Armament: 2x 0.30 M1919

Bombload: 111kg of bomb

 

 

BOYIN 281

the name literally mean Boeing 281. also know as Boeing model 281 which is an export version of the Boeing P-26C. in 1936, 11 Boyin 281 was ordered by ROC air forces. the date of delivery and their faint uncertain. most of them (if not all) was probably lost in battle.

(this plane would be a possible reserve)

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Performance

Speed: 377km/h (P-26A)

Armament: 2x 0.30 M1919

Bombload: 2x 45kg bomb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_P-26_Peashooter

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-26戰鬥機

http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/p26.html

 

A.W.16

Amstrong and Wright 16 built in UK. it was a  plane built in a total of 18 aircraft. 16 of them was use as a local warlord airforce, the Kwangsi Air Force. the plane was ordered in 1931 and delivered via Hongkong. in 1937 the Kwangsi Air Force was incorporated in the ROCAF

this plane would make a good Reserve

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Performance

Speed: 322km/h

Armament: 2x 0.303 vickers (500rpg)

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_A.W.16

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20070211094437/http://www.britishaircraft.co.uk/aircraftpage.php?ID=113

 

Fairey Fox III

in 1934, hong kong Far east airline, promoted the Fairey Fox III to different chinese Warlord. after sending a few plane for demonstratopm, the guandong airforce and the Guangxi airfpre ordered a few planes that was second handed. less than 10 Fox III was ordered by the chinese warlord.

probable Br.1.0 premium

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Performance

Speed: 360km/h

Armament: 2x offensive MG, 1x defensive MG

Bombload: 100kg

 

Feiyate CR.32

it was a modified Fiat cr.32. the gun was change for the Vickers 303, the cooling fins on the oil tank in the nose were removed. the plane was often equipped with a radio. 16 to 24 were ordered in 1933. only 6 remained in service in may 1936 and was use with some early success against the Japanese invasion of shanghai. all of the Freccias was lost by the end of 1937,

no photo evidence found Possible reserve plane

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Performance

Speed: 360km/h

Armament: 2x 0.303 vickers

Bombload: 100kg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_CR.32

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_fiat_cr32.html

 

Breda 27

in the early 30s, Italy created the a new plane that didn't catch the interest of the Italian government. but China saw in the Breda ba.27 and more than capable plane. in 1935, 18 Breda ba.27 Metallico was ordered to chine but 11 were diliver. China stationed the planes at the Chinese Air Force 7th Brigade in Nanchang. the Chinese pilot was very in-experimented and crashed 5 of the planes in training. the plane saw action against the Japanese but their limited number made that plane noticed.

the Ace's plane can be the Chinese free premium plane. ba27-10.jpg

 

Performance

Speed: 380km/h

Armament: 2x 12,7mm Breda-Safat

Bombload: non

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba.27戰鬥機

 

Gedoushishi

Chinese name for the modified Gloster Gladiator Mk.1 (Gedoushishi mean Gladiator). 36 gladiator Mk.1 was ordered to Guangzhou in 1937 to for new 2 unites. the Chinese Gladiator armament was changed with M1919 gun to shoot American 30-06 Springfield. the Gladiator score serial victory over the Japanese in WW2 and was the warbird of the ace Capt John Wong Sun-Shui (bufalo) and Arthur Chin. it served in china until 1939 when the last plane was shutdown.

the Ace's plane can be the Chinese free premium plane. the plane himself can be br.1.3

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Performance

Speed: 407km/h

Armament: 4x M1919 30.06 Springfield

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Gladiator

 

F11C-2 Hawk II

China used a total of 52 Hawks II in 1932-1933. the planes was used by ROC along side with the Hawk III, Cr.32 and the P-26. it was intensively used against both ground and naval target. the plane was Assembled by CAMCO Shen Chiao plants in Hangzhou. it was one of the first locally built plane in china. the Hawk II was know as a fighter/dive bomber.

probable Br.1.3

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Performance

Speed: 325km/h

Armament: 2x M1919 .30

Bombload: 1x 215kg or 4x 53kg

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_F11C_Goshawk

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/霍克II戰鬥機

 

BF2C Hawk III

it is the chinese model 68C Hawk III. 102 aircraft was used by ROC as a front line fighter and pursuit aircraft and targetted both ground and naval target. the aircraft was used from 1937, in 1940 it was used as night fighter at the war capital, Chongquing, the plane was Assembled by CAMCO Shen Chiao plants in Hangzhou. this plane is already in warthunder but not yet in the game

Good for br.1.7

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Performance

Speed: 362km/h

Armament: 1x M1919 7.62 and 1x 12.7 m2 browning.

Bombload: 1x 215kg or 4x 53kg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_BF2C_Goshawk

 

CW 21 EMO

''emo'' mean demon in china. it was also the nickname of the Curtis-Wright CW.21. a prototype was sent to china for trial and after shooting down a unexpected Japanese bomber, China ordered 30 planes. 3 planes was built by Curtis-Wrigh and shipped to china, 27 other was to be assembled to china, however, the Japanese advance shut the production down, the 3 flying CW.21 was eventually given to the Flying tiger an and was crashed soon after because of the poor visibility. the CW.21 was a plane who didn't had the chance to prove his wroth. the plane was Assembled by CAMCO in Loiwing .

Recommend a BR of 2.0

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Performance

Speed: 505km/h

Armament: 2x M1919 7.62 and 2x 12.7 m2 browning.

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_CW-21

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW-21戰鬥機

 

D.510C

the Dewoitine D.510C was a variant of the D.510. 24 D.510c was ever built and all exported to ROCAF in china in febuary and june 1938. the D.510c was action in the defense of Chongquin, the chinese capital durring WW2

Recommend a BR of 2.0

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Performance

Speed: 402km/h

Armament: 2x 7.5mm MAC 34 and 1x 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS6

Bombload: none

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewoitine_D.510

http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2008/05/rocaf-dewoitine-d510.html

 

Chernault Yingshi 75H

Yingshi mean Hawk in Chinese. it was a simplified prototype of the Hawk 75 with fixed wheel meant to be exported. 2 was ever built. one given to Argentina and the other to china. China give it again to Clair Lee Chernault for his personal used. Chernault used his plane to train Chinese pilots and to do Recon mission. he also supervised the Chinese international mercenary pilots before creating the American volunteer squadron, the Flying tiger

recommend a BR of 1.7 and to be tier 1 premium

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Performance

Speed: 518km/h

Armament: 1x M1919 7.62 and 1x 12.7 m2 browning.

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk

 

Yingshi 75M

Yingshi mean Hawk in Chinese. it was a simplified prototype of the Hawk 75 with fixed wheel and powered by a Wright R-1820 Cyclone engine. the aircraft was built by Curtiss's company and Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company in China. there number of planes built is unknown.

recommend a BR of 1.7

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Performance

Speed: about 520km/h

Armament: 4x M1919 7.62

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk

 

Yingshi 75A-5

Yingshi mean Hawk in Chinese. it was a similar to the Hawk 75A-4 who was powered with R-1820-G205A Cyclone radial with 1,200 hp engine and armed with six 7.5mm MG. the Hawk 75A-5 was built in under license in china and later the production was transferred to India. the Chinese Hawk 75A-5 was well loved by Chinese pilots saw a lot of action against the Japanese. compared to his sister plane the P-36A, the Hawk 75A-5 was 10cm longer and 5cm taller, the engine was upgraded (which was also implanted to the later model of the P-36) and the throttle was reversed. there was also some difference in the armament and other comportment but from the outside, it was hard to tell the both plane apart. the series Hawk-75 was initially built for France which later was taken over to Britain with the name Mohawk, some variant of the Hawk 75 was used in other country with local specification such at the Hawk 75A-5 was built with the Chinese specification and initially produced in china.

recommend a BR of 2.0

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Performance

Speed: max 522km/h @ 4600m

Armament: 6x M1919 7.62

Bombload: none

http://www.aviation-history.com/curtiss/p36.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk

 

Yingshi 75Q

Yingshi mean Hawk in Chinese. it was a trial version proposed to china built from the Hawk 75A-5. 2 of them was built with an armament of 2x 23mm Madsen autocanon underwing. the plane was slowed by the armament but the better engine make it faster of the previous tiral of the same armament on the Xp-36F. at least one of the 2 plane saw action in shanghai in September 1937 when a Hawk 75Q was rapported shooting down serial Japanese Bomber before been destroy himself.

recommend a BR of 2.7 premium

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Performance

Speed: between  426 and 500km/h

Armament: 2x M1919 7.62mm + 2x 23mm Madsen auto-cannon

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk

 

Chu X-PO

the Chu X-PO was a development of the Hawk 75 that was built without license by the Chief of the Air Force Technical Bureau. the new plane was a reworked Hawk 75 structure and upgraded engine. the plane was able to carry a bomb along a central rack. the armament was meant to be 2 guns pod under-wing that could carry 1 or 2 x 20mm each. there was 5 planes that was built and the plane was meant to be the new standard Chinese plane to beat the Japanese plane. the first flight went good but a landing too fast mad the plane crash. the plane was never repair due to the American entering into war giving china access to American planes making the need of producing a new plane not that urgent. there is almost no infor about the 4 other Chu X-PO, they may never had been finished.

recommend a BR of 4.0

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Performance

Speed: 504km/h

Armament: 2x or 4x 20mm

Bombload: 1x 100kg

https://www.aviarmor.net/aww2/aircraft_exp/other/chu_x_po.htm

 

Yenchu XP-1

The Yenchu XP-1 was an experimental pursuit aircraft made to study the reverse sweep wing on a small airplane. 2 XP-1 was built. a prototype first flew but show little stability in the air and crash near the airfield after a little run, the lack of stability of the plane cause the end of the XP-1 and already under development XP-2. the XP-1 had little data in record, only that the plane was theorically reaching and speed of 580km/h and carry 2x 20mm guns to attack the Japanese bomber. however, no prove that the plane could reach the speed of 580km/h and no armament was installed.

recommend a BR of 4.3

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Performance

Speed: 580km/h

Armament: 2x 20mm

Bombload: none

http://www.afwing.com/intro/yq1/1.htm

 

P-66 Vanguard

The P-66 Vanguard was a third or fourth hand, American planes. in 1943, acquired 104 P-66 Vanguard from the from Canada via a lead-lease program from the British. the p-66 Vanguard in Canada, was meant to be shipped to Sweden but the attack on pearl harbor cause the USA to retain the plane to later give them to the British who give them to Canada for a trial advance training purpose. the P-66 Vanguard was to be shipped in China Via India but many plane was lost during the shipping. the P-66 was meant to equip in china the 3rd American Volunteer group but saw little action. additional Vanguard was to be assembled but at the end of the Chinese Civil war, many was still in their crate still with the USAAF marking. while able to get to the speed of 550km/h, the Vanguard show a bad agility in high G

recommended BR of 3.0

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Performance

Speed: 548km/h

Armament: 2x 12.7mm and 4x 7.62mm

Bombload: none

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vultee_P-66_Vanguard

 

P-43 Zhandouji

Zhandouji was the Chinese name for the P-43 lancer. in the early 40s China ordered 125 P-43A-1 to equip the 3rd American volunteer group. the P-43A-1 was a P-43A Lancer with Chinese specification with additional rudimentary armor and wing tank protection and a central line hard point for additional fuel tank or up to 200lb of bomb.

recommended BR of 3.3

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Performance

Speed: 573km/h

Armament: 4x 12.7mm

Bombload: 200lb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_P-43_Lancer

 

CXP-1001

The CXP-1001 was the first chinesse research for a domestic jet fighter, the ressearch start as early as 1946 by the ROC gouverment, the Civil war slow down the ressearch and even force the gouverment to go in exile in Taiwan leaving behind a portion of the research of the CXP-1001 in china mainland in 1949. but the ressearch carried on and with the help of the british gouverment, a design was completed, saddly the financial situation of Taiwan, didn't allow the plane to be produced. in 1953, USA give a large number of new jet plane to Taiwan as support removing the need of Taiwan to produce a new plane, the CXP-1001 was never born.

recommended BR of 7,7

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Performance

Speed: 965km/h

Armament: 4x 20mm or 2x 30mm

Bombload: possible hardpoints on the wing

http://blog.xuite.net/naijih/twblog/148052884-失落的噴射戰鬥機研發案-CX-1001

 

 

 

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Tien Chu

the Tien chu is the Official name that China given to the Junker K-47 powered with the BMW hornet engine. in the early 1930, China purchased 10 or 12 of those fighter plane that was originally design to be exported to turkey. however after the death of the planes designer before the end of the project, it was finished by the Polmman but didn't catch the interest of Turkey. the plane still found interest in Russian who bought 3 of them for trial and China who bought them and renamed the plane Tien Chu. While been officially a fighter, the plane was ill suited as fighter but the defensive armament and the hability carry light bombs make Junker K-47 the ancestor of the famous Ju 87

recommended BR of 1.0, possible resserve

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Speed: 300 km/h

Armament: 1x offensive 7.92 mm (.312 in) LMG 08/15. 1x defensive 7.92mm

Bombload: 2x 50kg

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-47戰鬥機

 

A-12 Shrike

The A-12 Shrike was built by Curtiss in the USA, 46 planes was ever built and amounts of them 20 ware sold to china in 1936. the Chinese A-12 ware used with a certain sucess along side with the Gamma 2E in raids against the Japanese.most of the A-12 in china didn't survive and was relocated to Shanxi in 1941 and was used for training duty. no American A-12 saw action.

recommended BR of 1.3 possible premium

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Speed: 285 km/h

Armament: 4x offensive 0.30 cal MG, 1x defensive 0.30 cal

Bombload: 4x 55kg or 10x 13kg

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_curtiss_A-12_Shrike.html

 

HS 123

China bought 9 or 12 HS 123 in the early 1937, the plane serial was from 1501 to 1509 and was used to harass the Japanese along the Yangtze river targetting the ship, vehicles and road in dive bomb. the faith of those plane is certainly they was quickly destroy as there is no record of those plane after 1940.

recommended BR of 1.3 possible premium

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Speed: 341 km/h

Armament: 2× 7.92 mm

Bombload: 450kg (up to 5 bomb)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_123

 

Breguet BR.27-3

the BR.273 was a french export plane made for Chinese used. it was a reconnaissance/bomber biplane. the plane was upgraded with the Hispaniola-Suiza 12Ybrs of 860HP (over the 500hp of the original BR.27) 13 planes was built, 10 was newly built and 3 converted.

recommended BR of 1.3

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Performance

Speed: 245 km/h

Armament: 1x 7.7mm vicker foward firing, 2x 7.7 lewis defensive dorsal turret.

Bombload: 400kg

http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/breguet-270.php

 

Northrop Gamma 2E

the Gamma 2E was a American plane that was designed to be built in China. China built 25 Gamma 2E with the comportment provided by northrop Compagny. China used the plane as Light bomber in a partial dive until 1938. the Japanese and the British also tested the Gamma 2E but never used it in action.

recommended BR of 1.7

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Performance

Speed: 360 km/h (aproximatively)

Armament: 4x offensive 0.30 cal MG, 1x defensive 0.30 cal

Bombload: 1600lb (727kg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Gamma

 

Vultee V11G

The Vultee V11G was a tow sited light bomber that was built for china. 30 planes was ordered before the end of 1935. the planes was used with a certain success in many raid against the Japanese. they ware use in international units with American or french pilots with a Chinese gunner. the aircrafts were withdrawn from bombing missions to training and liaison duties in 1940

recommended BR of 2.0

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Performance

Speed: 370 km/h

Armament: 4x offensive 0.30 cal MG, 1x defensive 0.30 cal

Bombload: 1000lb

http://www.americancombatplanes.com/v11_1.html

 

Vultee V12C

The Vultee V12C was a attaker/bomber plane based on the V11. the plane was offering a new canopy and an more aerodynamically design, a single plane was assembled in USA while 25 was to be assemble by CAMCO in the factory of Lonwing, the Japanese advance force the production to halt and an unknown number of the V12C was finish.

recommended BR of 2.0 possibly premium

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Performance

Speed: 390 km/h

Armament: 4x offensive 0.30 cal MG, defensive ???

Bombload: 1125lb

http://www.americancombatplanes.com/v11_1.html

 

Vultee V12D

The Vultee V12D was a attaker/bomber plane based on the V11. the engine was more powerful making the plane faster and more performent, 2 patern plane was built in USA and send to china and 50 other was to be assembled by chinese hand in the CAMCO factory of Lonwing, however the japanese advance force the production to an halt and an unknow number of V12D was finish.

recommended BR of 2.3

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Performance

Speed: 450 km/h

Armament: 4x offensive 0.30 cal MG, defensive ???

Bombload: 1125lb

http://www.americancombatplanes.com/v11_1.html

 

Bellanca 28-90FB

the Bellanca 28-90B (fighter-bomber) was originally an American fighter plane that was deliver in Hankou in January 1938, the American Volunteer had for task to install 4 machine gun on the wing and 1 in the rear if the plane with an additional bomb rack under the plane. the first conversion was successful while the plane was not as maneuverable as expected. of 19 Bellance 28-90 that china had, 9 was to be converted, the other was to be used as trainer. in febuary 1938, a Japanese raid destroy 60% of the planes and damage the other, the 28-90B was never used in combat.

recommended BR of 2.7

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Performance

Speed: 450 km/h

Armament: 4x offensive 7.62 MG, 1x defensive 7.62

Bombload: 725kg of small bomb in rack under the plane

https://www.aviarmor.net/aww2/aircraft/usa/bellanca_2890.htm

 

T-CH-1

this is a Taiwanese plane of the early 70s, the plane was based on the T-28A and offer an better engine and more aerodynamic design. there was 52 plane built in 3 variation, the Trainer Varriant was the earliest and was offering 4 hard-points to carry gun pod, bombs, rocket and unguided missiles

recommended BR of 4.3

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Performance

Speed: 593 km/h

Armament: none (but could carry 7,62mm or 12.7mm gun pod)

Bombload: 4 hardpoints with small load (usually rockets pods or unguided missiles)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_T-CH-1

 

IL-10

In 1950, China began to import the Il-10 aircraft from the Soviet Union. By 1952 a total of 274 imports

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Il-10 PLAAF

late chinese modification of the IL-10 from the 60s. du to the detoriation of the Sino-Soviet relation, the engine of the well loved Il-10 became hard to get, a chinese copy of the Am-42 engine was produced locally to extend the Il-10 life but the production of the engine stoped du to the lack of demand. in the 60s, China converted 2 Il-10 with a domestic piston-8 air-cooled piston engine, with 4 leaves variable pitch propeller. Modified aircraft also added four 57 mm rocket launchers

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BT-32

The BT-32 was an American made Heavy bomber built by Curtis company in 1932 for export. height was built and send to China and was destroyed by the Japanese.

recommended BR 1.3

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Performance

Speed: 274 km/h

Armament: 5x 7.62 M1919

Bombload: aprox. 1800kg

http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_condor.php

 

Martin 139WC

It was an export version of the Martin B-10 for china. the Chinese ordered 6 139WC and they arrived in Shanghai in Feb 1937, the plane was concidered as national treasure and was used with the 30th bomber squadron of the 8th bombrt group. but the plane suffer of the lack of speed and armament and was unable to rivalise whith the Japanese fighter, 5 out of 6 was soon destroyed,

recommended BR 1,3

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Performance

Speed: 320 km/h

Armament: 3x 7.62 M1919

Bombload: 1000kg

 

Savoia-Marchetti S.72

The S.72 was an Italian plane plane originally built as a single prototype and given as a gift to the General Chiang Kai-shek after a demonstration in 1935. 6 other plane was later ordered and assembled in china. all the plane was destroyed in a Japanese bombing in the early war.

recommended BR 2.0 if only armed with 20mm. 2.3 if have additional 7.7mm

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Speed: 295 km/h

Armament: 1x 20mm dorsal turret, up to 6 defensive 7.7 MG

Bombload: 1000kg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_S.72

 

 

ZHONGYUN 1 HAO

The Nato designation of the Zhongyun 1 hao is C-0101 was the first Chinese home made transport/bomber plane. the plane was designed in 1944 as an anti-japanese resistance program that came late in the war. the development started in 1942 and was lead by the famous Professor Lin Tonghua. the plane was originally a transport plane but a tentative of converting it as a bomber was successfully made. while been the pride of the Chinese industry, the lack of fund, the difficulty to produce the part and the large amounts of foreigner plane and the coming end of WW2 lead the mass production to be cancel.

recommended BR1.7 if unarmed, 2.3 if lightly armed.

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Performance

Speed: 350 km/h cruise speed

Armament: unknow

Bombload: aprox. 1200kg

http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/3722858.html

 

SB 2M100

with the Sino-Soviet non aggression pack 21 August 1937, USSR and China mad a secret agreement for military support to china, this support was to include the supplies of weapon and vehicles to china in their fight against, the Japanese. amounts of those vehicles come 62 SB2 M100 in September and October of 1937. those SB2 was initially used in Russian unites but the replacement of the SB2 for DB3 allow Russia to give the SB2 to Chinese units. the Chinese used the SB2 as main bomber but seldom sent them on mission until they was replaced for more modern American bomber. the last SB2 was used against the communist in the Chinese Civil war until 1946.

recommended BR1.7

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maybe not actual Chinese but real SB 2M100

Performance

Speed: 550 km/h cruise speed

Armament: 4x defensive 7.62mm

Bombload: 500kg

 

SB 2M105

info to come

 

XB-3

The XB-3 was a Chinese made plane that was based on the SB2 M105. the development was simply  made out of scraped part of other plane in an attemp to create a more performent new plane. the XB-3 was built in the 3rd aircraft factory of Zheng Bao in 1944. the airplane sucessfully flew 3 flight unarmed but the landing gear broke in the 3rd flight, the damage was little and the crew was lighly injured but the accident and the recent victory and the anticipation of the end of WW2 made the project cancelled because the gouverment didn't needed more bomber.

recommended BR.2.0 with the 12.7mm

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Performance

Speed: 380 km/h cruise speed

Armament: 2x defensive MG (7,62 or 12.7mm)

Bombload: aprox. 500kg

http://www.360doc.com/content/15/0120/19/13301775_442380234.shtml

 

Tu-2

at the End of WW2, the Chinese red army receive in support 311 second hand Tu-2 of unknown variant from USSR to be used against the Republican Chinese. the Tu-2 saw later action in Tibet, Korea and Taiwan strait where they was used as patrol, recon and ground attacker. the Tu-2 remained in service in china until 1982. a certain number of Tu-2 was also used in North Korea (probably still used)

recommended BR of 4.0

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Performance

Speed: 528 km/h

Armament: 2x offensive 20mm, 3x defensive 7.62

Bombload: 1500kg internal and 2,270 kg external

https://books.google.ca/books?id=p9DyDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

Boeing B-25J

the Boeing B-25J was the most common american bomber used in china. 131 B-25J was supplied to china under the lend lease act. the chinese B-25J often fought the Japanese with de Havilland Mosquitos as an escort. the B-25J become the new main Chinese bomber of the second half of ww2

recommended BR.4.0

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Performance

Speed: 580 km/h cruise speed

Armament: 6 offensive 12.7mm, 7x defensive 12.7mm

Bombload: 3000lb

 

TU-4

in 1953, for the Birthday of Mao Zedong, Stalin gave 10 Tu-4 to china. the Tu-4 was used in china as Heavy bomber in bomber unites along side the Tu-2. the bomber saw action in the Sino-indian war of 1960, patrol on tibet and bombing the glacier in the yellow river

recommended BR.7.3

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Russian Tu-4 identical as those given to china.

Performance

Speed: 558 km/h

Armament: 10x defensive 23mm

Bombload: 12000kg

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/圖-4

 

TU-4 PLAAF

In 1966, China modernized the Tu-4 giving them a new AI-20K engine and removing the defensive armament (they was seem as useless) the new plane was offering a better speed, range and lower maintenance cost while having the same load. the new plane never saw action and was retired in 1988.

recommended BR.7.0

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Performance

Speed: 600 km/h

Armament: none

Bombload: 12000kg (bomb and anti-ship missile)

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/圖-4

 

Harbin-5

the Harbin 5 (H-5) was a chinese license built of the Il-28 built in china. there was several hundred H-5 in service in china by 1970. the production of the H-5 officially started in 1964 but a few IL-28 was already in service in china prior this date. the H-5 bomber was exported in many other country such as Romania and North Korea.

recommended BR.8.0

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Performance

Speed: 900 km/h

Armament: 2x 23mm offensive, 2x 23mm defensive

Bombload: 3000kg

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il-28轟炸機

 

Tier 6 (anticipating)

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Shenyang J-5

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 1,130 km/h

Armament: 1x type 37 37mm, 2x type 23-1 23mm

Bombload: 

 

Shenyang J-5A

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 1,145 km/h

Armament: 2x type 23-1 23mm

Bombload: 

 

Chengdu J-5A

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 1,145 km/h

Armament: 2x type 23-1 23mm

Bombload: 

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Nanchang Q-5

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 1,210 km/h

Armament: 2x type 23-2k 23mm

Bombload:

 

Nanchang Q-5Yi

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 1,210 km/h

Armament: 2x type 23-2k 23mm

Bombload: 

 

Xian H6

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 1,050 km/h

Armament: 6x NR23 in 3 turret, 1 NR-23 occasionally installed in the nose

Bombload: 9000kg

 

 

Tier 0 (anticipating)

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Zhu Rongzhang

the 2nd Guangxi, later know as the Zhu Rongzhang, was a Chinese plane built by Zhu Roughang. Originally made for Guangxi aviation, in the city of Liuzhou, the plane was a copy of the Boeing Model 218 (p-12) the plane first flew in 1937 and did performed well, but the fate of the plane is unknown after 1937. the plane was never mass produced.

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this is robert short's p-12 and was similar to the Zhu Rongzhang

Performance

Speed: 283 km/h

Armament: 2x 7.26mm

Bombload: 0

 

Liuchow Kwangsi Type 3

infos coming soon.

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Performance

Speed: 283 km/h

Armament: 1x 7.7mm

Bombload: 0

 

 

 

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the most frequently asked question DID CHINA BUILT THEIR OWN PLANE IN WW2?
 

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The short answer is Yes, but not all of them. (about 500 planes)

 

to explain it more clearly, China had serial Aircraft Factory in WW2 that was building SBs and I-16s in the nort and HAwk 75 in the south. the Factory in Dihua factory (today in Urumqi) was meant to produced 300 fighter every year with additional SB bomber from 1940. but the plane who was good in 1938 was obsolete in 1940. the Chinese was working on a treaty that would change the production of the I-16 and SB for Mig-1 and Il-4 who was more modern planes, however the Russian and China never found a common agreement over the production. the production of the I-16 and SB remained unchanged even while been obsolete planes. the real production of the plane is uncertain due to the disturbing of the Japanese army and a late development of the factory. a more realistic number of about 200 I-16s was probably built in that factory alone before the complete retirement of the i-16s. the model of the I-16s locally built was the type 5, type 6 and type 16UTI. the accurate number of each model is uncertain.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=hBjoCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Urumqi+aircraft+factory&source=bl&ots=51TJW9IO3E&sig=uAa5eJC3TB3tVYbGYKEgo_wrkro&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCzNL16vLUAhXn7IMKHZvdC24Q6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

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in the South, the Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company (CAMCO) had a factory In Hangzhou in 1933 that had produced about 100 Hawk II and Hawk III and also assembled the Nortrup and Vultee that served in china and another factory in Hankou (today part of Wuhan) and was building the Specially modified for China Hawk 75M and produced there 30 aircraft out of the 82 planed in 1938 which the factory had to be moved to Loiwing at the Burmese Border in China. there the production of the Hawk 75M changed for the Hawk 75A-5, a new variation based on french Hawk 75A-4. the new plane was difficult to built in the new plane due to the trouble to setting up the new production, however a new production plan of the CW-21 was initiated but the Japanese advance force the Factory to be relocated once again in Kunming China in 1942 while the American personnel was setting up to Idian to produce the Hawk 75A-5 from India to deliver to china. fomr 1942 to 1946, The CAMCO factory in Kumming developed a series of 9 experimental aircraft under the name chu X-P0, Yenchu XP-1 and Yenchu XP-2, only the first 2 plane flew but both crashed in the first flight and no production of those 3 planes was ever implanted.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Aircraft_Manufacturing_Company

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to be fair, China was in the front line with the Japanese army and himself in Civil war. The production of the Chinese plane was often disturbed by the Japanese and the fact that they produced serial hundreds of planes in china is impressive by himself. However China also received 848 planes from Russia and even more from the USA. many other planes was bought in smaller number from USA, UK, Germany, France and Italy in smaller number, those plane was often locally modified, principally to have armament that could be supplied locally.

 

 

 

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so i am asking for your support and help to built the Chinese air and ground tree.

 

 

Please also support the Ground forces for china

 

FAQ

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Q: Is the Chinese even had planes?

A: yes, china had over 800 planes during the break of ww2 which about 500 was locally made/assembled. during the war, even more was added but fewer was produced in china. the local production started back in the 50s

 

Q: is china only have copy paste?

A: no. most of the planes was unique modification who was unique to china. while there is many planes that was also used in other country, i try to make the tree as unique as possible

 

Q: is China censored Gaijin?

A: no, this is a well spread rumor but a false one who was been officially deny by the CEO of gaijin himself. China never really care about this game. the Chinese version of the game is modified to fallow the local regulation about video game which some rule to not hurt anyone feeling and anti-addiction system. the international version of the game lock the Chinese IP and the Chinese game use the citizen ID to create an account so we shouldn't really care about what they do there.

 

Q: will Gaijin ever add a Chinese tree?

A: maybe. no door is close and Gaijin officially said they want to add more nation but they didn't say which one and only after they added the WW mode, italian ground force and the naval ground forces.

 

Q: is a there any agreement between Gaijin and Tencent that affect the chance to release a Chinese tree?

A: not really. Tencent created a limited Chinese tree for their own version of the game to make the game more representative to the Chinese player but the international game can add their own version of the game with their own vehicles and a lot of addictive content.

 

Q: the problem with china is there is not much data to be found, do you have any solution?

A: yes, there is nothing easy, just need some hard work,. i am often traveling to china to gather a lot of information and have a lot of contact in china amounts the museum and historian. i also work closely with the members of tanks planes encyclopedia. i believe together we gather enough data to built a tree.

 

Q: who is supporting this tree?

A: a lot of simple community member, some moderator of the forum, some developer, a lot of historian. there is a pool there that show the support. sadly i wish people could change their answer in that pool as there is many who told me they was at first against it and after a while their changed their mind. so i think about a dozen "No" would had move to "yes" and also a lot of "Maybe" would have became either "no" or "yes"

 

Q: how can i help?

A: you can first show a passive support by voting and liking the content. you comment in this topic and the sister topic of the ground forces. if you want a more active support, you can make research on your own and share it here. any help is welcome.

 

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Hopefully but let them work step by step, Italy has come next will be France and then the Ships(maybe?). They still have to add ground vehicles to some trees and fill them more, same for aircraft so I cannot really see the Chinese Techtree being added soon but maybe onde day!

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it took 4 years of discussion to come out with the Japanese ground tree. Italian ground, fallowed by France air then ground. the ship will probably come out somewhere in the between. so they have a few years to be busy so lets talk about it now and see what happen next.

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Just now, Vescolar said:

I will re-answer this post in 2 years hahah

sure. i expect that take that long before we could hope to have the Chinese confirm. Gaijin is wise to not conform their project too early, even if they like to have thousand of plan, they only confirm those who are already on work. it give them the chance to change their mind and not eating their word.

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True, hey one little question how do you get thos tabs on your profile like the "Regia Aeronautica" or "Way of the Samurai"? I am pretty new to the forum :)

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8 minutes ago, Vescolar said:

True, hey one little question how do you get thos tabs on your profile like the "Regia Aeronautica" or "Way of the Samurai"? I am pretty new to the forum :)

you need to buy the premium vehicles that allow you to be a tester of the Japanese and the Italian. it's too late for the Japanese but there is still a week or 2 for the Italian i thinks.

 

http://warthunder.com/en/news/4735-become-a-tester-for-italian-aircraft-available-aircraft-list-updated-en

 

buy either the CR.32bis or the G.55S or both and you will have the title in the forum and access to the limited access part of the forum where we can suggestion, rapport bug and talk about the Italian plane.

 

it will probably have one for the Italian ground and the French when they come out.

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I already own the G55S and I bought it the first day but I dont have the tab hahah

I just relogged and now I have it, thank you!

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2 minutes ago, Vescolar said:

I already own the G55S and I bought it the first day but I dont have the tab hahah

I just relogged and now I have it, thank you!

 

yeah, it took me 2week before i noticed that i should had the Regia tittle. i really should restart my computer more often.

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12 minutes ago, Vescolar said:

Right haha

And how does the reputation system work?

the little heart at the conner of each post. someone need to like your comment and post. if there is other question like that i would be happy to answer you in Private chat. i would like to keep the discussion on the Chinese plane about the Chinese plane.

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I say a big no from me.

 

They would have basically no domestic aircraft, and would just be a copy-paste tree. There's no real reason to add them, except for political reasons in China, which they are already there.

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7 minutes ago, F7UCutlass said:

I say a big no from me.

 

They would have basically no domestic aircraft, and would just be a copy-paste tree. There's no real reason to add them, except for political reasons in China, which they are already there.

 

there is domestic plane. license produced, field modified and local design. less than a quarter are a copy past. if you red the few thing about the plane that i put on the last spoiler, you will see no plane that was actually used identically somewhere else. it was the case of most of the Chinese plane before the Flying tiger and the massive Russian support. also many plane and variation was used nowhere but in china exept a few prototype such as it was for the A.W.16 and Hawk 75.

 

so yes, china will bring a lot of new planes. including a lot of domestic.

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12 minutes ago, CaID said:

 

there is domestic plane. license produced, field modified and local design. less than a quarter are a copy past. if you red the few thing about the plane that i put on the last spoiler, you will see no plane that was actually used identically somewhere else. it was the case of most of the Chinese plane before the Flying tiger and the massive Russian support. also many plane and variation was used nowhere but in china exept a few prototype such as it was for the A.W.16 and Hawk 75.

 

so yes, china will bring a lot of new planes. including a lot of domestic.

Sure, They are somewhat modified, but in my eyes they don't warrant their own tech tree.

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There are, of course, a couple of US aircraft that were used by the Chinese uniquely or almost uniquely - the P-66 Vanguard 

 

Image result for p-66

 

 

P-43 Lancer - was used a bit by the USAAC for photo-recce, and a handful sent to the RAAF for the same purpose, so a couple of alternative skins....

 

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Curtis-Wright CW-21 in limited numbers.....about 1 :O - the Dutch used more of them, but hey....

 

220px-Curtiss_CW-21B_%281941%29.jpg

 

also according to wiki the Chinese X-P0 - based on the Curtis Hawk 75, but with 4 x 20mm.....Airwar.ru page - in Russian

 

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A list of aircraft used by the ROC AF 1937-45 is available on wiki here.

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40 minutes ago, Josephs_Piano said:

There are, of course, a couple of US aircraft that were used by the Chinese uniquely or almost uniquely - the P-66 Vanguard 

 

Image result for p-66

 

 

P-43 Lancer - was used a bit by the USAAC for photo-recce, and a handful sent to the RAAF for the same purpose, so a couple of alternative skins....

 

image012.jpg

 

Curtis-Wright CW-21 in limited numbers.....about 1 :O - the Dutch used more of them, but hey....

 

220px-Curtiss_CW-21B_%281941%29.jpg

 

also according to wiki the Chinese X-P0 - based on the Curtis Hawk 75, but with 4 x 20mm.....Airwar.ru page - in Russian

 

xpo-i.jpg

 

 

A list of aircraft used by the ROC AF 1937-45 is available on wiki here.

 

true indeed. many of the Chinese plane got a few field modification such as the Armament, usually it was because of the availability of the ammunition and the maintenance. as you say, many plane's variant was limited to china and a few other nation that is not likely to be added in war thunder (any soon at least) it would make china have a lot of exclusive plane and for that, it deserve to have their own tree. also, the v.1.01 of the tree is already on the way adding 4planes and modifying one. it would raise the count to 64planes. even if we remove all the planes that was used in other nation in games. it still leave at least over 30planes. but they would be badly balance just like the Italian at tier 4 with their B 3.3.

 

to have a good balance we need to include some copy past. there is not that many. most are modified. only an handful are exactly the same.

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Lack of indigenous aircraft would mean it is going to be filled with foreign aircraft which defeat the purpose of a national tree imo.  I think it's best if they are implemented as skins.

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2 minutes ago, fufubear said:

Lack of indigenous aircraft would mean it is going to be filled with foreign aircraft which defeat the purpose of a national tree imo.  I think it's best if they are implemented as skins.

you didn't read did you?

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11 minutes ago, CaID said:

you didn't read did you?

I did.

 

My point still stands.  There is a lack of true Chinese designs.

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7 minutes ago, fufubear said:

I did.

 

My point still stands.  There is a lack of true Chinese designs.

 

they have enough. wait for when i put the additional description on those planes and you will see. so far just don't close your mind at the idea hear it.

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54 minutes ago, fufubear said:

Lack of indigenous aircraft would mean it is going to be filled with foreign aircraft which defeat the purpose of a national tree imo.  I think it's best if they are implemented as skins.

 

Many of the aircraft will never appear in other trees - the Chinese had more than just the ones I listed where there were only small numbers made and they were probably the major user.

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Which only account for low tiers.  By mid tiers they are fully equipped with workhorse US aircraft like the p40n and p51c.

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As the others have said, the problem with an "independent" Chinese air tree is that the existence of their own air force was entirely dependent on other nations and their aviation industry.

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3 hours ago, Retry said:

As the others have said, the problem with an "independent" Chinese air tree is that the existence of their own air force was entirely dependent on other nations and their aviation industry.

you see. the British have the T17E2 as tier 1 AA. the T17E2 is an American built armored car to export specifically for the British army. there is no reason to see the T17E2 in the American tree since it wasn't used but the US army. fallowing that logic, most of the planes that is proposed in the tree have no reason to be in any other nation since it wasn't used by any other nation presently in the game. the dependent equipment in this case also mean bought by trade. most of the plane i proposed here are either legitly bough with money or trade agreement, locally produced under license, locally modified or locally developed. only a few planes was actual use as is it on the shelf. many are unique to china and by this fact they show few dependency on the other nation. just don't forget that the t-26 was a local modified the vickers 6ton. the T-35 and T-28 was a local modified of the A1E1 Independent, the Bt-5 was designed by an American and was the base development of the T-34. all vehicles are inter-dependent to the other this is not something new.

 

so now, i propose a entire tree that propose 75% of planes that was locally modified, varriant designed especially for export or for China himself, planes that are designed and equipped with what china could offer at the best of their capacity in a warzone where people are starving and running away from the Japanese and the only thing you can answer is they are not dependent enough? guess what, Russian was dependent of America, Uk was dependent of Canada, Australian, New-Zealand. Italy was dependent of Germany. Japan wasn't dependent of any nation by was unable to produce enough metal to keep going with the war. put the pride aside and get to reality, 75% of the British equipment was produced elsewhere from USA, South-America or the rest of the Commonwealth. should we remove the British because it is not fair for the other? reality is not fair. game can be. Russian need an natural allied and China is the only choice.

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4 hours ago, fufubear said:

Which only account for low tiers.  By mid tiers they are fully equipped with workhorse US aircraft like the p40n and p51c.

yes they had use those 2. one is proposed as regular line, the other as premium, are at least the P40D is. the other US workhorse that are in the tree are rather Variation of the plane that US didn't used, either the planes that US didn't really used, at least not as much as china did. so can you tolerate 1 workhorse that appear on both tree or you think that we should also remove the Japanese Sherman and chaffee? maybe we should also remove all the Sabre that is no USA too?

 

an alternative would be to move the P51 to the premium and bring the X-p1 at his place in the regular line. the x-p0 should also move to the same line, after all it was partially built from the part of the Hawk 75s. that way there would be no American used plane in the research line. except the B25 and B17 which are nessessairy.

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