Romanian Tech Tree  

137 members have voted

  1. 1. Would you like to see the Romanian as a nation in the game?

    • Yes
      110
    • No (tell as why)
      27
  2. 2. When would you want to see it in the game?

    • After the French and the Italian tech tree are done
      80
    • After other nations are done
      12
    • I don't care
      25
    • I said no
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This Tech tree only contains 2 planes that are in game already (I do not count premium planes)

Also for those people that says we do not need them right now, i am waiting for the french tree, etc - I am asking if you would like to see them in game in future, i am not meaning right now or this year. The Gaijin team works on differite projects (some guys working on the italian tree, other on the regular tree, french tree, and so on) and some of them could work on the ARR, note that one 3d model takes up to 3 months to make.

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Q & A

Tier I

  • What planes are reserve?

     -The planes that are reserve are: IAR CV 11 (L), IAR CV 11 (H) and IAR 12.

  • What mean L and H?     

     -L  stands for Lorraine Courlins 48-5 and H for  Hispano-Suiza 12Mc (engines).

  • Why is the IAR 38 in the Bombers line and the IAR 37 and 39 in the Light Bombers line?

     -The IAR 38 is slower then the 37 and 39, it has the same climb speed as the 37 and a bigger range. 

Tier 2

  • Why is the SM 79 in the tech tree? 

     -The IAR JRS-79B and IAR JRS-79B1 are romanian build and differite from the SM79B that we have in the game.

Tier 3

  •  What is the difference between the IAR 47 and IAR 471 

     -The IAR 471 is a ground attacker/dive bomber and the IAR 47 is a light bomber.

  • How good is the first IAR 80?

     - A Luftwaffe major who tested it in March 1941 had this to say about the IAR 80 :

"Takeoff and landing are very good. It's 20–30 km/h slower than the Bf-109E. The climb to 5,000 meters is equivalent. In a dogfight, the turns are also equivalent, although the long nose reduces the visibility. In a dive it's outclassed by the Bf-109E, because it lacks an automated propeller pitch regulator. It's a fighter adequate to modern needs."

      =Note that this is the first variant of the IAR 80=

Tier 4

  • Are there any paper planes in the tree?

     -It may be the IAR 81 BMW, i am not sure about it.

Tier 5

  • What about the IAR 93 and IAR 99, those are build in the 70s and 80s?

      -It doesn't count, if it's respect the game criteria it can be added, said gaijin. The only problem is that those can use air to air missles. Gaijin can give us the prototype or the version that only has bombs and unguided rockets. The speed for IAR 93 is 1,089km/h and for IAR 99 is 865km/h.

  • What is the MiG17F?

      -The MiG17F is a version powered by VK-1F engine and can carrie: 

  1. 4 8x57mm rocket pods or
  2. 2 type 250kg bombs (729nm)

   Other Questions

  • Are there enought tanks for a ground tech tree?

      -Yes, and we can also use some german/soviet tanks (if we look at japan it has 4 non japanese vehicles)

  • How should the IARs 80 be played?

      -At high altitude.

  • Are there more planes that can be added as premium or regular?

      -Yes, there are more planes that can be added.

 

 Planes Data:

Specifications IAR CV 11

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Crew: 1 pilot

Technical specifications:

Length: 6.98 m
Width: 11.5 m
Height: 2.46 m
Carrier surface: 19.8 m2
Weight (empty): 1100 kg
Weight (ready to fly): 1510 kg
Engine:
1 x Lorraine Courlis 48-5 600 hp (440 kW) at 2000 rpm
1 x Hispano-Suiza 12Mc 500 hp (370 kW)
Performance With the engine of Lorraine 12E Courlis the plane made:

Maximum speed: 302 km / h at a height of 5000 m
Maximum speed: 325 km / h on the ground
Climbing time at 5000 m: 8 min 30 s.
Ceiling: 9000 m
With the Hispano-Suiza engine the plane realized:

Maximum speed: 329 km / h at a height of 300 m
weapons
2 x 7,7 mm Vickers machine guns, mounted on both sides of a motor, pulling through the propeller disk.

 

Specifications (IAR 12)

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General characteristics

 

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 7.2 m (24 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 11.70 m (38 ft 5 in)
  • Height: 3.5 m (12 ft 6 in)
  • Wing area: 19.8 m2 (213.13 ft2)
  • Empty weight: 1150 kg (2535 lb)
  • Gross weight: 1,540 kg (3395 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × IAR LD 450 12-cylinder W-form watercooled in-line built under licience Lorraine-Dietrich 12 Eb, 340 kW (450 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: at sea level 294 km/h (183 mph)
  • Endurance: 2 hours  10 min
  • Service ceiling: 7,900 m (25,915 ft)

Armament

  • 2 x 7.7 mm Vickers machine-guns in the nose of the aircraft firing through airscrew.

        

Specifications (IAR 13)

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General characteristics

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 7.34 m (24 ft 1 in)
  • Wingspan: 11.70 m (38 ft 5 in)
  • Height: 3.5 m (12 ft 6 in)
  • Wing area: 19.8 m2 (213.13 ft2)
  • Empty weight: 1150 kg (2535 lb)
  • Gross weight: 1,530 kg (3373 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Mc of 500 h.p, 340 kW (450 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: at sea level 330 km/h (205 mph)
  • Endurance: 2 hours  10 min
  • Service ceiling: 7,900 m (25,915 ft)

Armament

  • 2 x 7.7 mm Vickers machine-guns in the nose of the aircraft firing through airscrew.

 

Specifications (IAR 14)

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General characteristics

 

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 7.37 m (24 ft 2 in)
  • Wingspan: 11.70 m (38 ft 4 in)
  • Height: 2.6 m (8 ft 6 in)
  • Empty weight: 1,255 kg (2,761 lb)
  • Gross weight: 1,552 kg (3,414 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × IAR LD 450 12-cylinder W-form watercooled in-line built under licience Lorraine-Dietrich 12 Eb, 340 kW (450 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: at sea level 294 km/h (183 mph)
  • Endurance: 2 hours  10 min
  • Service ceiling: 7,900 m (25,915 ft)

Armament

  • 2 x 7.7 mm Vickers machine-guns in the nose of the aircraft firing through airscrew.

 

Specifications(IAR 15)

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General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 7.76 m (25 ft 5½ in)
  • Wingspan: 11.00 m (31 ft 6 in)
  • Height: 2.7 m (8 ft 10 in)
  • Wing area: 19.00 m2 (204 ft2)
  • Empty weight: 1,215 kg (2,673 lb)
  • Gross weight: 1,650 kg (3,630 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × I.A.R. 9KIc40 licence-built Gnome-Rhone 9Krse 9-cylinder supercharged radial, at 4,000 m (13,120 ft), 450 kW (600 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: at 4,000 m (13,120 ft) 375 km/h (233 mph)
  • Service ceiling: 10,500 m (34,400 ft)
  • Rate of climb: to 5,000 m (16,400 ft) 10.4 m/s (2,050 ft/min)

Armament

  • Two 7.7mm Vickers fixed machine guns firing through propeller

 

Specifications(IAR 16)

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General characteristics

  • Crew: one
  • Length: 7.76 m (25 ft 5½ in)
  • Wingspan: 11.00 m (31 ft 6 in)
  • Height: 2.7 m (8 ft 10 in)
  • Wing area: 19.00 m2 (204 ft2)
  • Empty weight: 1,215 kg (2,673 lb)
  • Gross weight: 1,650 kg (3,630 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Bristol MercuryIV S2, of maximum 560 h.p. (418 kW) output at 4,500 9-cylinder supercharged radial,, 418 kW (540 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 342 km/h (213 mph)
  • Service ceiling: 10,500 m (34,400 ft)
  • Rate of climb: to 5,000 m (16,400 ft) 10.4 m/s (2,050 ft/min)

Armament

  • Two 7.7mm Vickers fixed machine guns firing through propeller

Specifications(IAR 37,38,39,39A)

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Specifications (IAR 47)

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General characteristics

  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 11 m ( ft in)
  • Wingspan: 12.5 m ( ft in)
  • Height: 3.2 m ( ft in)
  • Wing area: 23.8 m2 ( ft2)
  • Gross weight: 3550 kg ( lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × IAR K.14-IV C32 radial piston, 716 kW (960 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: at 4300m 464 km/h ( mph)
  • Range: (without bomb bay tank)850 km ( miles)
  • Service ceiling: 8000 m (26,245 ft)

Armament

  • 2 x 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG in the wings
  • 1 x 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG for rear gunner
  • 6 x 50kg bombs

 

Specifications (IAR 471)

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General characteristics

  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 11 m ( ft in)
  • Wingspan: 14 m (45 ft 10 in)
  • Height: 3.2 m ( ft in)
  • Wing area: 29 m2 (312 ft2)
  • Gross weight: 4300 without bomb load kg (9,479l lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × IAR DB 605, 1,100kW kW (1,475 hp)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 490 km/h (304 mph)
  • Service ceiling: 8000 m (26,245 ft)

Armament

  • 1 x 20mm MG151 cannon firing through the airscrew spinner
  • 2 x 7.92mm Rheinmetall wing mounted
  • 2 x 37mm BK 37 Rheinmetall under wing
  • 2 x 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG for rear gunner
  • 500kg (1,100lb) bomb under fuselage
  • 2 x 100kg (220lb)

 

Specifications(IAR JRS-79B1)

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General characteristics

 

  • Crew: 5
  • Length: 16.82 m ( ft in)
  • Wingspan: 21.2 m ( ft in)
  • Height: 4.1 m ( ft in)
  • Empty weight: 6400 kg ( lb)
  • Gross weight: 11785 kg ( lb)
  • Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 211 F Watercooled Inverted V-12, 986 kW (1320 hp) each each

Performance

  • Maximum speed: (at 6000 m) 436 km/h (272 mph)
  • Range: 1750 km ( miles)
  • Endurance: 2 hours  10 min
  • Service ceiling: 9000 m ( ft)

Armament

  • 5 x 7.92 mm machine guns
  • 1 x 20 mm cannon
  • 1500 kg of bombs

Specifications(IAR 80/81)

IAR 80

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Characteristics
  • Length: 8.9 m.
  • Scale: 10.7 m.
  • Height: 3.6 m.
  • Bearing surface: 16 m².
  • Mass (empty): 1780 kg.
  • Mass (max) 2550 kg.
  • Motor: K14-III IAR 36, 930 hp (690 kW) 1 -20 series, IV AND K14-C32, 960 hp (716 kW) series 21-50.
performances
  • Speed: 514 km / h to 4,000 m, 560 km / h to 7000 m.
  • Range: 940 km at a speed of 330 km / h.
  • Ceiling: 10500 m (34,500 ft).
  • 1000 m ascent time: 1 min 20 s at 4500 m: 5 min 40 s.
weapons
  • 4 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with a supply of cartridges 2000 (4 × 500).

 

IAR 80A

 

Characteristics
  • Length: 9.22 m.
  • Wingspan: 9.09 m.
  • Height: 3.82 m.
  • Wing area: 17 m².
  • Mass (empty equipped) 2095 kg.
  • Mass (max): 2720 kg.
  • Motor: × IAR K14-1000A, 1025 hp (764 kW).
performances
  • Top speed: 540 km / h.
  • Range: 1150 km.
  • Ceiling: 10500 m.
  • The load of the wing: 132.35 kg / m².
weapons
  • 6 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with a supply of cartridges 2400 (6 × 400).

 

IAR 80B

Characteristics
  • Length: 9.22 m.
  • Wingspan: 11 m.
  • Height: 3.82 m.
  • Wing area: 17 m².
  • Mass (empty equipped): 2135 kg.
  • Mass (max) 2810 kg (2960 kg with additional tanks).
  • Motor: × IAR K14-1000A, 1025 hp (764 kW).
performances
  • Speed: 470 km / h to 4,500 m.
  • Range: 1030 km to 4500 m.
weapons
  • 2 × FN (Browning) 13.2 mm with a supply of cartridges 300 (2 × 150).
  • 4 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with a supply of cartridges 1600 (4 × 400).

 

IAR 81

 

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It is a version equipped to perform dive bombing missions (Bo-Pi). To this end it started from various versions and 80, which were equipped with bomb launchers.

In its basic version AND 81 AND 80A on the version, to which were added three bomb launchers, two bombs of 50 kg placed under the wings and one for a bomb of 250 kg located under the fuselage. Armament was the same as the version IAR 80A. In this version it was produced 50 copies, numbers 091-105, 151 - 175 and 231 - 240. 

Characteristics
  • Basic version: IAR 80A.
  • Mass (max): 3070 kg.
performances
  • With 3 Bombs speed: 470 km / h at 4500 m.
  • Cruising speed (at the same altitude): 400 km / h (engine under 70% of rated power).

 

 

IAR 81A

This version comes from IAR version 80B. The difference is in the reserve cartridges of 13.2 mm machine guns and bombs in place of 50 kg have additional fuel tanks. There were 29 samples with the series 212-230 and 291 - 300. 

Characteristics
  • Basic version: IAR 80B.
  • Mass (max): 3250 kg.
performances
  •  speed with bomb attached 455 km / h to 4,500 m and 370 km / h at sea level.
weapons
  • 2 × FN (Browning) 13.2 mm with a supply of cartridges 350 (2 × 175).
  • 4 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with a supply of cartridges 1600 (4 × 400).
  • 1 bomb of 250 kg.

 

IAR 81B

 

This version of 13.2 mm machine guns are replaced with two guns Ikaria (Oerlikon license) 20 mm, each with 60 hits. Thus the power to fire the device was similar to Spitfire V. There were 50 copies, with series 241 - 290. 

Characteristics
  • Basic version: IAR 81A.
  • Table bomb and additional tanks (max): 3260 kg.
performances
  • speed with bomb attached 455 km / h to 4,500 m and 370 km / h at sea level.
  • Ascent time to 5000 m without bomb: 7 min 30 s.
weapons
  • Ikaria 2 × 20 mm cannon with a reserve of 120 shots (2 × 60).
  • 4 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with a supply of cartridges 1600 (4 × 400).
  • 1 bomb of 250 kg.

 

IAR 81C

 

This version Ikaria guns were replaced with guns Mauser MG 151 20 mm strokes reserve increased. In this version were produced 38 100 copies series commissioned, with the series starting with 301. 

Characteristics
  • Length: 9.22 m.
  • Wingspan: 9.09 m.
  • Height: 3.82 m.
  • Bearing surface: 17 m².
  • Mass (empty) 2200 kg.
  • Mass (maximum): 2980 kg.
  • Engine: IAR K14-1000A, 1025 HP (764 kW).
performances
  • Maximum speed: 560 km / h to 7000 m.
  • Autonomy: 730 km.
  • Ceiling: 10000 m.
  • The load of the wing: 132.35 kg / m².
weapons
  • 2 × MG 151/20 cannon with a reserve of 350 shots (2 × 175).
  • 4 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with a supply of cartridges 1600 (4 × 400).
  • 2 WGr 21 rockets

In order to combat the US bombers on 15 March 1944, airborne air-to-air missile launchers WGr 21 were mounted on airplane 429 instead of wing pylons. Tests took place between 14 and 29 April 1944. The results of the shootings were satisfactory but the fitting of these weapons meant an additional weight of 250 kg affecting the performance of the aircraft, the speed decreasing by 50 km / h. There is no data on how to use them in battle. After launching the missile, the tubes could be widened using the bomb blast command.

IAR 80M

By 1944 the ARR fighter units included examples of 80A, B and C models, as well as 81A, B and Cs. In order to up-gun the earlier fighters as well as simplify logistics and maintenance, an upgrade program was started in mid-1944 to bring all existing airframes to the 81C armament suite of two MG 151/20s and four FN 7.92s. The resulting A and B models of the 80 and 81s would become the 80M and 81M respectively, although at this point there were no dive bombers in use. It is unclear how many conversions were completed.

 

 

IAR 80M fitted with Jumo 221 Da engine

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A Junkers Jumo 221 Da 1340 hp (1000 kW) was trialled. After it's first flight it never flew again.

IAR 81 (Gnome-Rhone)

According to Mr. Radu Manicatide, a plane was equipped with a 1,660 hp Gnome-Rhone engine purchased from the German army. It did not have an official name and did not differ from the serial aircraft. This plane was destroyed after the American bombing of April 16, 1944 without ever going to fly though it was functional.

=I was searching for the engine to see what was the name of it and i have 2 conclusions:

 

- from a forum " the 14R-4 Météore rated at 1,580 hp. The engine was designed in order to extract the maximum potential out of a well tried cylinder layout used in the 14K and 14N. The R-4 variant was also the last Gnome-Rhône powerplant fitted to a Bloch fighter, the MB 157.01 prototype. To attain this goal, they had to improve several aspects, including lubrication, cooling effectiviness and materials' resistance. It was also fitted with a two-speed supercharger in order to optimize altitude performance (at 6000m). I will refrain from speculating on what could have been achieved had the IAR 80 been fitted with the GR 14R-4 or a similar sub-variant, but the results obtained by matching it with the refined MB 157 airframe were truly outstanding; the aircraft wasn't a development of the MB 152 or 155 but rather a completely new project with enlarged wing and a new fuselage. It flew for the first time in March 1942 (and thus under German control). Despite the prevailing conditions, the flight tests were a success. When the Germans ordered the prototype transferred from Bordeaux to Orly, they were astonished to see it landing 40 min. before the expected arrival time! The performance attained by the MB 157 was amazing for 1942/1943: 670km/h at 8500m, 710 km/h at 8500m (for 15 min in surpuissance )... The engine was taken from the aircraft and sent to Germany. As for the airframe, it was destroyed during an Allied air raid in 1944. 

The data was taken from the superlative tome by Serge Joanne on the Bloch fighters, "Le Bloch MB-152" (Lela-Presse, Boulogne-sur-Mer, 2003)."

 

- or it was a modified version of the 14R that was capable of producing 1.660hp.

 

IAR 81 (BMW)

A IAR 81 had the the original engine replaced by a BMW 801 used in German fighter  Focke-Wulf Fw 190 , The plane could develop a speed of at least 600 km / h, but this could not be implemented at scale, because the Germans were unable to provide engines.

 

IAR 81 DB 

In June 1943, the 326th plane was modified and, following a flight test period between June 20 and August 20, there was a notable improvement in aircraft performance. Following the success of the tests and relying on the availability of these engines, the ministry made the decision to equip all planes with this type of engine. Due to the incapacity of Daimler-Benz plants to deliver the engines, this decision has never been implemented. (DB 605A  1.475 CP)

 

IAR 80 (DB601Aa)

On Aprin 21, 1941, a flight test was conducted on the IAR 80 with the number 13, The IAR was equipped with the German DB601 Aa engine.

 

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Hmmm, I'm not too sure about this, as Romania wasn't too big a state. I'm also not sure about the condition of there ground forces and naval forces because those might be requirements for adding in a new nation.

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1 minute ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

Hmmm, I'm not too sure about this, as Romania wasn't too big a state. I'm also not sure about the condition of there ground forces and naval forces because those might be requirements for adding in a new nation.

Romania had decent ground and naval forces for example it's top Tier tank would be a TR-77-580, TR-580 and maybe a T55AM and for Naval forces The Mărăști Class Destroyer, Regele Ferdinand Class, an so on.:DD

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5 minutes ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

Hmmm, I'm not too sure about this, as Romania wasn't too big a state. I'm also not sure about the condition of there ground forces and naval forces because those might be requirements for adding in a new nation.

This is a main problem, no ground or naval forces for this nation. But i find it interesting.

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I don't think there are enough vehicles to have a stand alone tree, but it would be nice to see  these in game in some way, especially the IAR 80.

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8 minutes ago, TLTeo said:

I don't think there are enough vehicles to have a stand alone tree, but it would be nice to see  these in game in some way, especially the IAR 80.

 

I'm not opposed to it. If anything, the Romanians during the Combloc had a rather large local production of vehicles, and as far as partrol boats and DD's they should be fine for the most part.

 

Besides, lets be honest, ingame they would always be matched with Germany in the WWII scenario's, which would mend most of the lack of heavy equipment.

+1 from me OP

 

however, a few suggestions

- Move the Vultur to the bomber line, given its a light attacker, and would be better suited there especially given its abilities to turn are very, very very eh. 

- Add the 109 G2 to the fighter line 

- Get rid of the IAR 99, given its a trainer.

- add the Hs 129 to the light attacker line. 

 

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I doubt we will see Romania as a stand alone nation in game. But i want to be honest: I love romanian aircrafts (and nation too).

 

There is some different types of interesting vehicles

 

+1 in any case :salute:

 

P.s.: Excellent work and nice op ;)

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While I think this is some great work, I would much rather see either a Romanian & Hungarian joint tree, or see both of those in the International Tech Tree.

 

But I really want to fly the IAR 180

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2 hours ago, igeticsu said:

While I think this is some great work, I would much rather see either a Romanian & Hungarian joint tree, or see both of those in the International Tech Tree.

 

But I really want to fly the IAR 180

 

Actually, I remember an idea about the Commonwealth tree: Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa, etc. all in a separate tree from the British. So why couldn't there be a similar thing for Axis aligned states that aren't Germany/Italy? Would help avoid the problems with Japan (and the severe lack of vehicles/ ground attacking planes).

 

7 hours ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

Romania had decent ground and naval forces for example it's top Tier tank would be a TR-77-580, TR-580 and maybe a T55AM and for Naval forces The Mărăști Class Destroyer, Regele Ferdinand Class, an so on.:DD

 

@Nell_Lucifer, those are top tier stuff, but what about the grind before top tier? The reserve and tier 2/3/4 etc. Are there enough coastal patrol boats/destroyers and tanks/SPAA to fill out the trees? I do like more nations, its a better representation of the powers that fought during the war and adds more unique stuff to play with and experiment, but if a nation cannot fill out certain requirements, it wont be added.

 

Good luck with this, and have a +1

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The Italian and Hungarian moderators are working on a joined tectree, mainly ground forces, but if we could also add Romanian vehicles to this techtree I think that would even further improve gameplay and gametime.

Tbh I also heard some rumors that nations like romania, czechoslovakia and sweden would have they own international techtree. I'm not sure if thats something the community would have rather then having the romanian planes and tanks added to the italian techtree. I have no negative thoughts adding other small nations vehicles to the italian techtree. Thats something that every techtree has in common, using other nations vehicles.

 

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32 minutes ago, ADAM_HUNGARYxD said:

The Italian and Hungarian moderators are working on a joined tectree, mainly ground forces, but if we could also add Romanian vehicles to this techtree I think that would even further improve gameplay and gametime.

Tbh I also heard some rumors that nations like romania, czechoslovakia and sweden would have they own international techtree. I'm not sure if thats something the community would have rather then having the romanian planes and tanks added to the italian techtree. I have no negative thoughts adding other small nations vehicles to the italian techtree. Thats something that every techtree has in common, using other nations vehicles.

 

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What do you mean by their own international techtree? You mean like 3 nations sharing the same tech tree?

And about the italian/hungarian joined techtree, i mean, i am not sure if the hungarians would be in the tech tree, don't get me wrong, i would love to see hungarian tanks/planes but gaijin decide what would be in the italian tech tree, for now we do not know their intentions. I would also like a Hungarian Romanian techtree. let's hope everyone gets what they want:)

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On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 6:27 AM, Nell_Lucifer said:

What do you mean by their own international techtree? You mean like 3 nations sharing the same tech tree?

And about the italian/hungarian joined techtree, i mean, i am not sure if the hungarians would be in the tech tree, don't get me wrong, i would love to see hungarian tanks/planes but gaijin decide what would be in the italian tech tree, for now we do not know their intentions. I would also like a Hungarian Romanian techtree. let's hope everyone gets what they want:)

I just like more trees, but full trees and not the skeletal Japanese GF tree whom doesn't even have all 4 branches reaching tier 4. I like the idea of combining nations whom share similar qualities like the Commonwealth or maybe an Italian/Hungarian/Romanian tree? That might be too many vehicles actually. I'm just not sure of Gaijin's intentions as they seem to switch every year, or every patch as they add things they said they would never add.

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Its interesting, but sadly, not like this. Definietly not as a standalone tree ( bc not enought ground vehicles ). Maybe paired with the Czech and Yugoslavs ( little entente tech tree ).

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Do I want romanian (and other minor) planes added? Yes.

As an independent tree? Definitely not. (hell, I'd probably slap Hungary and Romania into Italy)

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On 30/6/2017 at 0:52 AM, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

 

Actually, I remember an idea about the Commonwealth tree: Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa, etc. all in a separate tree from the British. So why couldn't there be a similar thing for Axis aligned states that aren't Germany/Italy? Would help avoid the problems with Japan (and the severe lack of vehicles/ ground attacking planes).

While I would love this, I doubt they would add it :/ However I would love to have an Axis aligned nation and an Allied aligned nation and then an International tech tree for others, such as Sweden for example

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Maybe combined with a couple other nations to make an axis minor nation tree?  I don't think this tree can stand on it's own.  Looks interesting though.

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I would like to see them in, in some way.

Perhaps in an international tree to start with, then a more specific tree (I can expect to wait several years for each)

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True,  the site "Status report" has articles for around 30 Italian planes recently, a few paper. Some nice pics. For Italy, we can probably use a few more prototypes or paper than say USA or USSR.

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On 2.7.2017 at 11:11 AM, Hopit said:

Do I want romanian (and other minor) planes added? Yes.

As an independent tree? Definitely not. (hell, I'd probably slap Hungary and Romania into Italy)

I am of the same opinion. Giving them a dedicated techtree would only lead to even less uniformity in the teams, which is not a good thing... too many different planes with different characteristics in one team will have trouble supporting each other. You can see that specific problem with US teams, because they have so damned many different fighter types with wildly different characteristics. 

 

I would like to see the most famous romanian planes though, the IAR 80/81 is something I've been wanting for a long time. I think they should be "slapped" into the german tree however, not the italian one, as there are already 2 premiums with romanian markings in the german tree, the Bf 109 G-2(which is a bit of a headscratcher, since the germans only get the tropicalised variant, but whatever) and the romanian Hs 129 B-2.

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1 hour ago, SD501st said:

I am of the same opinion. Giving them a dedicated techtree would only lead to even less uniformity in the teams, which is not a good thing... too many different planes with different characteristics in one team will have trouble supporting each other. You can see that specific problem with US teams, because they have so damned many different fighter types with wildly different characteristics. 

 

I would like to see the most famous romanian planes though, the IAR 80/81 is something I've been wanting for a long time. I think they should be "slapped" into the german tree however, not the italian one, as there are already 2 premiums with romanian markings in the german tree, the Bf 109 G-2(which is a bit of a headscratcher, since the germans only get the tropicalised variant, but whatever) and the romanian Hs 129 B-2.

And the He 112's have romanian camos. (And the now hidden SM 79B)

 

Personally I'd integrate Hungary into Germany, and Romania into Italy, but that's just my personal preference.

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