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South African Tech Tree - Planes and Tanks.

Okay so I know that this is yet another Nations tech tree.

 

Before I start on listing the Aircraft and Tanks, a few issues that were raised in our discussions in AOD : 

 

So what I'm getting is that the Africans just used other countries stuff and never built anything of their own =P 

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Each and every one of these aircraft were aircraft that participated immensely to the war effort. They are also aircraft that cannot and should not be added to their own countries tree.

If you were to add the aircraft the their "Manufacturers home country", They would disappear.

Also, for example with the Martin Baltimore etc and with a lot to come (tier 2, 3, 4 and 5) they were not used by their "home" countries.


Adding another 6 P40s to the USAAF Line wont help that line, But they are still aircraft that the player base desperately wants in the game.
The SAAF used :
P-40N Kittyhawk IV (Warhawk)
P-40 Kittyhawk Mk IV
P40M Kittyhawk Mk III
P-40 Kittyhawk MKIA
P-40 Tomahawk Mk IIB
P-40 Tomahawk Mk IIA

 

 

What did South Africa do during WW2?

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South Africa and its military forces contributed in many theaters of war. South Africa's contribution consisted mainly of supplying troops, airmen and material for the North African campaign (the Desert War) and the Italian Campaign as well as to Allied ships that docked at its crucial ports adjoining the Atlantic Ocean and Indian Ocean that converge at the tip of Southern Africa. Numerous volunteers also flew for the Royal Air Force.

 

The South African Army and Air Force played a major role in defeating the Italian forces of Benito Mussolini during the 1940/1941 East African Campaign. The converted Junkers Ju 86s of 12 Squadron, South African Air Force, carried out the first bombing raid of the campaign on a concentration of tanks at Moyale at 8am on 11 June 1940, mere hours after Italy's declaration of war.

 

Another important victory that the South Africans participated in was the liberation of Malagasy (now known as Madagascar) from the control of the Vichy French. British troops aided by South African soldiers, staged their attack from South Africa, landing on the strategic island on 4 May 1942[3] to preclude its seizure by the Japanese.

 

The South African 1st Infantry Division took part in several actions in North Africa in 1941 and 1942, including the Battle of El Alamein, before being withdrawn to South Africa to be re-constituted as an armoured division.

 

The South African 2nd Infantry Division also took part in a number of actions in North Africa during 1942, but on 21 June 1942 two complete infantry brigades of the division as well as most of the supporting units were captured at the fall of Tobruk.

 

The South African 3rd Infantry Division never took an active part in any battles but instead organised and trained the South African home defence forces, performed garrison duties and supplied replacements for the South African 1st Infantry Division and the South African 2nd Infantry Division. However, one of this division's constituent brigades — 7 SA Motorised Brigade — did take part in the invasion of Madagascar in 1942.

 

The South African 6th Armoured Division fought in numerous actions in Italy in 1944–1945.

 

The South African Air Force (SAAF) made a significant contribution to the air war in East Africa, North Africa, Sicily, Italy, the Balkans and even as far east as bombing missions aimed at the Romanian oilfields in Ploiești supply missions in support of the Warsaw uprising[5] and reconnaissance missions ahead of the Russian advances in the Lvov-Cracow area.

Numerous South African airmen also volunteered service to the RAF, some serving with distinction.

 

South Africa contributed to the war effort against Japan, supplying men and manning ships in naval engagements against the Japanese.

About 334,000 men volunteered for full-time service in the South African Army during the war (including some 211,000 whites, 77,000 blacks and 46,000 coloureds and Indians). The Commonwealth War Graves Commission has records of 11,023 known South Africans who died during World War II.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_South_Africa_during_World_War_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Campaign_(World_War_II)

 

For Ground forces:
Catapults & Spear launchers
For Air Forces :

Paper plane and a Kite

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No, We actually used a lot of Modern technology and we also took some older technology and modified it for Hot and High conditions. 

Thanks for that one Code.

 

 

Not offending Argos post here, nice read and summary.
but why does everyone want new vehicles every damn update?
There are enough vehicles in-game already and I think Gaijin should work on other stuff than on new vehicles, maybe here and there are some vehicles missing at a certain Br. But overall there are enough.

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This is a really interesting comment, And I agree to an extent. 

Gaijin should be working on things OTHER than new vehicles. And they Are.

 

But in the future when Italian aircraft are added fully, When Ships are added Fully and when World War Mode is added fully. More vehicles will add more interest to the game. And if you are lvl100 who has been playing for a long time, More Vehicles adds more motivation to continue playing the game.

 

 

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So onto the Aircraft Tech Tree :

 

I would split this into 4 groups :

US Fighters,

UK Fighters,

Attackers and 

Bombers (You could split this into US Bombers and UK Bombers).

 

So onto Tier 1 :

 

US Fighters :

H-75A-4 Mohawk

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Hawk 75A-4

Last production batch for France, Hawk 75A-2 with Wright R-1820-G205A Cyclone radial with 1,200 hp: 285 built, 81 delivered to France; others to Great Britain as Mohawk IV

 

General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 28 ft 6 in (8.7 m)

Wingspan: 37 ft 4 in (11.4 m)

Height: 8 ft 5 in (2.6 m)

Wing area: 235.94 ft² (21.92 m²)

Empty weight: 4,567 lb[31] (2,076 kg)

Loaded weight: 5,650 lb (2,560 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 6,010 lb[31] (2,732 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-17 Twin Wasp air-cooled radial piston engine, 1,050 hp (783 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 313 mph (272 knots, 500 km/h) at 8,500 ft, 2,960 m

Cruise speed: 270 mph (235 knots, 432 km/h)

Range: 625 mi (543 nmi, 1,006 km) at 270 mph (419 km/h), 860 mi (748 nmi, 1,385 km) at 200 mph

Service ceiling: 32,700 ft (9,967 m)

Rate of climb: 3,400 ft/min (17 m/s)

Wing loading: 23.9 lb/ft² (116.8 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.186 hp/lb (306w/kg)

 

Armament

1 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) M1919 Browning machine gun

1 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine gun

later production variants had two .50 MGs synchronized with the propeller mounted in the engine cowl and two or four .30 MGs mounted in the wings just outside the propeller arc

some were also later fitted with a single hardpoint under each wing that could carry a bomb of up to 100 lb (45 kg) or a light bomb rack for three 50 lb (23 kg), five 20 lb (9 kg) or 30 lb (14 kg) bombs

 

UK Fighters :

Hawker Fury I

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Fury Mk I
Single-seat fighter version, powered by a 525 hp (391 kW) Rolls Royce Kestrel IIs piston engine.

General characteristics

Crew: One

Length: 26 ft 9 in (8.15 m)

Wingspan: 30 ft 0 in (9.14 m)

Height: 10 ft 2 in (3.10 m)

Wing area: 250 ft² (23.2 m²)

Empty weight: 2,734 lb (1,240 kg)

Loaded weight: 3,609 lb (1,637 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Kestrel IV V12 engine, 640 hp (477 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 223 mph at 16,500 ft (360 km/h at 5,030 m)

Range: 270 mi (435 km)

Service ceiling: 29,500 ft (8,990 m)

Rate of climb: 2,600 ft/min (13.2 m/s)

Wing loading: 14.4 lb/ft² (21.5 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.177 hp/lb (0.291kW/kg)

 

Armament

Guns: 2 × 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers Mk IV machine guns with 600 rpg

 

Gloster Gauntlet MK II

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Gauntlet Mk II 

Single-seat fighter aircraft; modified version of the Gauntlet Mk I; 221 built.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 26 ft 5 in (8.05 m)

Wingspan: 32 ft 9½ in (10.0 m)

Height: 10 ft 3 in (3.13 m)

Wing area: 315 ft² (29.3 m²)

Empty weight: 2,770 lb (1,259 kg)

Loaded weight: 3,970 lb (1,805 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Bristol Mercury VI S2 9-cylinder radial engine, 645 hp (481 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 200 knots (230 mph, 370 km/h) at 15,800 ft (4,820 m)

Range: 400 nm [3] (460 mi, 740 km)

Service ceiling: 33,500 ft (10,210 m)

Rate of climb: 2,300 ft/min [3] (11.7 m/s)

Wing loading: 12.6 lb/ft² (61.6 kg/m²)

Power/mass:  0.162 hp/lb ( 266 W/kg)

Climb to 20,000 ft (6,100 m): 9 min

 

Armament

Guns: Two x 0.303 in Vickers machine guns

 

 

Gloster Gladiator Mk I and

Gloster Gladiator Mk II 

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Gladiator I

Version powered by a single 840 hp (627 kW) Bristol Mercury IX air-cooled radial piston engine. The aircraft was designated J 8 in Swedish Air Force service. Delivered 1937–38, 378 built.

 

Gladiator II

Version powered by a single Bristol Mercury VIIIA air-cooled radial piston engine. The aircraft was designated J 8A in Swedish Air Force service. Delivered 1938–39, 270 built.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 27 ft 5 in (8.36 m)

Wingspan: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)

Height: 11 ft 9 in (3.58 m)

Wing area: 323 ft2 (30.0 m2)

Empty weight: 3,217 lb (1,462 kg)

Loaded weight: 4,594 lb (2,088 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Bristol Mercury IX radial engine, 830 hp (619 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 253 mph (220 knots, 407 km/h) at 14,500 ft (4,400 m)

Cruise speed: 210 mph[111]

Stall speed: 53 mph (46 knots, 85 km/h)

Endurance: 2 hours[111]

Service ceiling: 32,800 ft (10,000 m)

Rate of climb: 2,300 ft/min[111] (11.7 m/s)

Climb to 10,000 ft (3,050 m): 4.75 min

 

Armament

Guns:

Initially; Two synchronised .303 in Vickers machine guns in fuselage sides, two .303 in Lewis machine guns; one beneath each lower wing.

Later aircraft; Four .303 calibre M1919 Browning machine guns; two synchronised guns in fuselage sides and one beneath each lower wing.

 

 

Attackers :

Vickers Wellesley

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Type 287 Wellesley Mk I

Two-seat medium bomber aircraft. The Wellesley Mk I had two separate cockpits.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 2–3

Length: 39 ft 3 in (11.96 m)

Wingspan: 74 ft 7 in (22.73 m)

Height: 15 ft 3½ in (4.67 m)

Wing area: 630 ft² [13] (58.5 m²)

Empty weight: 6,760 lb (3,066 kg)

Loaded weight: 11,048 lb (5,011 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 lb (5,670 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Bristol Pegasus XX radial piston engine, 925 hp (690 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 228 mph (198 kn, 369 km/h) at 19,700 ft (6,000 m)

Cruise speed: 180 mph (157 kn, 290 km/h) at 15,000 ft (4,600 m) (57% power)

Range: 1,220 mi (1,963 km)

Service ceiling: 25,500 ft (7,772 m)

Wing loading: 18 lb/ft² (86 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.08 hp/lb (0.14 kW/kg)

Climb to 15,000 ft (4,600 m): 17.8 min

 

Armament

Guns:

1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers machine gun in right wing

1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers K machine gun in rear cockpit

Bombs: 2,000 lb (907 kg) of bombs

 

 

Martin Baltimore Mk I &
Martin Baltimore Mk II &
Martin Baltimore Mk III / IIIA &
Martin Baltimore Mk V 

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Baltimore B. I

Fitted with 1,600 hp (1,193 kW) Wright GR-2600-A5B radial piston engines, armed with ten 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns, eight fixed Brownings and two flexible Vickers K machine guns; all marks had two fixed 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Brownings in the leading-edge of each wing and four similar fixed guns, two on each side of the lower fuselage aft firing backwards, plus two flexible Vickers guns in dorsal and ventral. 50 aircraft built.

 

Baltimore B. II

As with the Mk I;defensive armament was increased to 12 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns including twin 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers K machine guns in both the dorsal and ventral positions. 100 aircraft built.

 

Baltimore B. III

Modified Mk II design defensive armament was increased to 14 0.303 in (7.7 mm) guns and improved with a hydraulically powered dorsal turret supplied by Boulton Paul in the UK with 4 Browning machine guns. 250 aircraft built.

 

Baltimore B. IIIa (A-30-MA)

Ordered by USAAF and supplied under Lend-lease to the RAF, two 0.50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns in a Martin-built electrically powered dorsal turret. 281 aircraft built.

 

Baltimore B. V (A-30A-MA)

USAAF order, Upgraded with two 1,700 hp (1,268 kW) Wright R-2600-29 radial piston engines, Wings fitted with 0.50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns. 600 aircraft built.

 

General characteristics

Crew: four: pilot, navigator/bombardier, radio operator, gunner

Length: 48 ft 6 in (14.8 m)

Wingspan: 61 ft 4 in (18.7 m)

Height: 14 ft 2 in (4.32 m)

Wing area: 538.5 ft² (50 m²)

Empty weight: 15,991 lb (7,253 kg)

Loaded weight: 23,185 lb (10,900 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Wright GR-2600-A5B geared radial engines, 1,700 hp (1,268 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 305 mph (295 kn, 488 km/h) at 11,600 ft (3,540 m)

Cruise speed: 224 mph (360 km/h)

Range: 980 miles (1,577 km)

Wing loading: 46.2 lb/ft² (226 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.14 hp/lb (220 W/kg)

 

Armament

Guns: 4 × wing mounted 0.303 in (7.7 mm) M1919 Browning machine guns. 2–4 × 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns in dorsal turret, 2 × 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns in ventral position and provisions for up to 4 × fixed rear firing 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns.

Bombs: 2,000 lb (910 kg) carried internally

 

 

Martin Maryland Mk II

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General characteristics

Crew: three (pilot, navigator/bomb aimer/gunner and radio operator/gunner)

Length: 46 ft 8 in (14.2 m)

Wingspan: 61 ft 4 in (18.7 m)

Height: 16 ft 3 in (5.0 m)

Wing area: 537 ft² (49.9 m²)

Empty weight: 10,586 lb (4,802 kg)

Loaded weight: 15,297 lb (6,939 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 16,809 lb (7,624 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-S1C3-G "Twin Wasp" radial engine, 1,050 hp (783 kW) each

Propellers: 10 ft 11 in (3.3 m) Hamilton Standard 3T50 three-bladed constant-speed metal propellers

Fuel capacity: 514 imperial gallons (2,336 litres)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 304 mph (489 km/h) at 13,000 ft (3,962 m)

Cruise speed: 248 mph (399 km/h)

Range: 1,300 miles (2,100 km)

Service ceiling: 29,500 ft (8,991 m)

Rate of climb: 2,400 ft/min (12 m/s)

Wing loading: 28.5 lb/ft² (139.1 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.157 hp/lb (259 W/kg)

 

Armament

Guns: 4 x .303 (7.7 mm) Browning Mk II machine guns in outer wings with 750 rpg, 1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers K machine gun in dorsal and ventral step positions each with 5 x 97-round magazines

Bombs: 2,000 lb (907 kg) internally; (Usually 4 x 500 lb (227 kg) bombs)

 

 

Bombers :

Blenheim Mk 1 &
Blenheim Mk IV &
Blenheim MK V

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Blenheim Mk I 

Three-seat twin-engined light bomber, powered by two 840 hp (630 kW) Bristol Mercury VIII radial piston engines, armed with a 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine gun in the port wing, plus a 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers K gun in the dorsal turret, maximum bombload 1,000 lb (450 kg). 1,552 built. Company designation Type 142M.

 

Blenheim Mk IV 

Improved version, fitted with protective armour, powered by two 905 hp (675 kW) Bristol Mercury XV radial piston engines, armed with a 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine gun in the port wing, plus two 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine-guns in a powered operated dorsal turret, and two remotely controlled rearward-firing 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine gun mounted beneath the nose, maximum bombload 1,000 lb (450 kg) internally and 320 lb (150 kg) externally. 3,307 built.

 

Blenheim Mk V 

High-altitude bomber version, powered by two Bristol Mercury XV or XXV radial piston engines.

 

General characteristics

Crew: three

Length: 42 ft 7 in (12.98 m)

Wingspan: 56 ft 4 in (17.17 m)

Height: 9 ft 10 in (3.0 m)

Wing area: 469 ft2 (43.6 m2)

Empty weight: 9,790 lb (4,450 kg)

Loaded weight: 14,400 lb (6,545 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Bristol Mercury XV radial engine, 920 hp (690 kW) each

Propellers: Three-bladed Hamilton Standard propeller

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 266 mph (231 kn, 428 km/h at 11,800 ft (3,597 m))

Cruise speed: 198 mph (172.25 kn, 319 km/h)

Range: 1,460 mi (1,270 nmi, 2,351 km)

Service ceiling: 27,260 ft (8,310 m)

Wing loading: 30.7 lb/ft² (150 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.13 hp/lb (.21 kW/kg)

Climb to 6,500 feet (2,000 m): 4 min 10 sec

 

Armament

Guns:

1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine gun in port wing

1 or 2 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning guns in rear-firing under-nose blister or Nash & Thomson FN.54 turret

2 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning guns in dorsal turret

Bombs:

1200 lb (540 kg)

4 × 250 lb (113 kg) bombs or

2 × 500 lb (227 kg) bombs internally and 8× 40 lb (18 kg) bombs externally

 

 

Beaufort Mk I / 1A 

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Beaufort Mk.I

1,013 built. Torpedo bomber, reconnaissance version for the RAF, powered by two Bristol Taurus II, III, VI, XII or XVI sleeve valve radial engines. First British production version

 

General characteristics

Crew: 4

Length: 44 ft 2 in (13.46 m)

Wingspan: 57 ft 10 in (17.63 m)

Height: 14 ft 3 in (4.34 m)

Wing area: 503 ft² (46.73 m²)

Empty weight: 13,107 lb (5,945 kg)

Loaded weight: 21,230 lb (9,629 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Bristol Taurus II, III, VI, XII or XVI 14-Cylinder sleeve valve radial engine, 1,130 hp (843 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 271.5 mph (236 kn, 420 km/h) at 6,500 ft (1,981 m).[N 10]

Cruise speed: 255 mph at 6,500 ft (221 kn, 410 km/h) at 6,500 ft (1,981 m)[N 11]

Range: 1,600 mi (1,400 nmi, 2,600 km)

Service ceiling: 16,500 ft (5,030 m)

Rate of climb: 1,200 ft/min (6.096 m/s)

Wing loading: 42.2 lb/ft² (206 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.106 hp/lb (0.175 kW/kg)

 

Armament

Guns:

3 .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers GO machine guns (two in Bristol Mk IV dorsal turret, one in port wing) or;

6 .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers GO machine guns (Two fixed in nose, two in turret, one in port wing and one firing laterally from entry hatch.) Late production.[17]

1 .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine gun in rear-firing chin blister

Bombs:

1 1,605 lb (728 kg) 18 in Mk XII torpedo or.

2,000 lb (907 kg) of bombs or mines.

 

 

Short Sunderland GR-5 

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General characteristics

Crew: 9—11 (two pilots, radio operator, navigator, engineer, bomb-aimer, three to five gunners)

Length: 85 ft 4 in (26.0 m)

Wingspan: 112 ft 9½ in (34.39 m)

Height: 32 ft 10½ in (10 m)

Wing area: 1,487 ft² (138 m²)

Empty weight: 34,500 lb (15,663 kg)

Loaded weight: 58,000 lb (26,332 kg)

Powerplant: 4 × Bristol Pegasus XVIII nine-cylinder radial engine, 1,065 hp (794 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 210 mph (336 km/h) at 6,500 ft (2,000 m)

Cruise speed: 178 mph (285 km/h) at 5,000 ft (1,500 m)

Stall speed: 78 mph (125 km/h)

Range: 1,780 mi (2,848 km)

Service ceiling: 16,000 ft (4,880 m)

Rate of climb: 720 ft/min (3.67 m/s)

Wing loading: 39 lb/ft² (191 kg/m²)

Power/mass: .073 hp/lb (.121 kW/kg)

 

Armament

Guns:

16× 0.303 inch (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns

2× Browning 0.5 inch (12.7 mm) machine gun

Bombs: various defensive and offensive munitions, including bombs, mines and depth charges carried internally and, some, winched out beneath the wings. Manually launched flares, sea markers and smoke-floats.

 

 

PBY-5 Catalina IB/III
 

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Catalina IB

Lend-lease PBY-5Bs for the RAF, 225 aircraft built.

 

Catalina IIIA

Former U.S. Navy PBY-5As used by the RAF on the North Atlantic Ferry Service, 12 aircraft. These were the only amphibians that saw RAF service.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 10 — pilot, co-pilot, bow turret gunner, flight engineer, radio operator, navigator, radar operator, two waist gunners, ventral gunner

Length: 63 ft 10 7/16 in (19.46 m)

Wingspan: 104 ft 0 in (31.70 m)

Height: 21 ft 1 in (6.15 m)

Wing area: 1,400 ft² (130 m²)

Empty weight: 20,910 lb (9,485 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 35,420 lb (16,066 kg)

Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0309

Drag area: 43.26 ft² (4.02 m²)

Aspect ratio: 7.73

Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 Twin Wasp radial engines, 1,200 hp (895 kW each) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 196 mph (314 km/h)

Cruise speed: 125 mph (201 km/h)

Range: 2,520 mi (4,030 km)

Service ceiling: 15,800 ft (4,000 m)

Rate of climb: 1,000 ft/min (5.1 m/s)

Wing loading: 25.3 lb/ft² (123.6 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.034 hp/lb (0.056 kW/kg)

Lift-to-drag ratio: 11.9

 

Armament

3 .30 cal (7.62 mm) machine guns (two in nose turret, one in ventral hatch at tail)

2 .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns (one in each waist blister)

4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs or depth charges; torpedo racks were also available


Hawker Hartebeest

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Hartebeest

Hawker built pattern aircraft; four built and exported to South Africa.

 

Hartebeest I

Two-seat general-purpose, ground surpport aircraft for the South African Air Force, powered by a 608 hp (453 kW) Rolls-Royce Kestrel VFP piston engine; 65 aircraft built under licence in South Africa.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 2

Length: 29 ft 4 in (8.94 m)

Wingspan: 37 ft 3 in (11.36 m)

Height: 10 ft 5 in (3.18 m)

Wing area: 349.5 ft² (32.5 m²)

Airfoil: RAF 28[10]

Empty weight: 2,530 lb (1,150 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 4,596 lb (2,089 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Kestrel IB water-cooled V12 engine, 510 hp (380 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 161 kn (185 mph, 298 km/h) at 13,000 ft

Stall speed: 39 kn (45 mph, 72 km/h) [42]

Range: 374 nmi (430 mi, 692 km)

Service ceiling: 22,800 ft (6,950 m)

Wing loading: 13.2 lb/ft² (64.3 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.11 hp/lb (0.182 kW/kg)

Climb to 10,000 ft 8 minutes, 30 seconds

 

Armament

Guns: 1 × synchronised forward firing .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers machine gun, 1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Lewis Gun on Scarff ring in rear cockpit.

Bombs: Up to 500 lb (227 kg) bombs under wings.

 

 


Junkers Ju-86Z

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Ju 86 K-1

Export version for South Africa and Sweden.

 

Ju 86Z series

Civil export models

 

General characteristics

Crew: 2 (pilot and radio operator)

Length: 16.46 m (54 ft)

Wingspan: 32 m (105 ft)

Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 5 in)

Wing area: 82 m² (883 ft²)

Empty weight: 6,700 kg (14,800 lb)

Max. takeoff weight: 11,530 kg (25,420 lb)

Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 207B-3/V diesel engines, 746 kW (1,000 hp) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 420 km/h (260 mph) above 9,150 m (30,000 ft)

Range: 1,580 km (980 mi)

Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,650 ft)

Rate of climb: 4.67 m/s (900 ft/min)

 

Armament

Guns: defensive armament of three MG 15 machine guns

Bombs: 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) of bombs

 

 

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Tier 2 :

 

US Fighters 

P-40 Tomahawk Mk IIA &
P-40 Tomahawk Mk IIB

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P-40A

Revised versions of the P-40 soon followed: the P-40B or Tomahawk IIA had extra .30 in (7.62 mm) U.S., or .303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns in the wings and a partially protected fuel system; the P-40C or Tomahawk IIB added underbelly drop tank and bomb shackles, self-sealing fuel tanks and other minor revisions, but the extra weight did have a negative impact on aircraft performance. (All versions of the P-40 had a relatively low power-to-weight ratio compared to contemporary fighters.)


 

 

 

UK Fighters :

Hurricane Mk I &

Hurricane Mk I (Revised / Late)

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Hurricane Mk I

First production version, with fabric-covered wings, a wooden two-bladed, fixed-pitch propeller, powered by the 1,030 hp (770 kW) Rolls-Royce Merlin Mk II or III engines and armed with eight .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns. Produced between 1937 and 1939.

 

Hurricane Mk I (revised)

A revised Hurricane Mk I series built with a de Havilland or Rotol constant speed metal propeller, metal-covered wings, armour and other improvements. In 1939, the RAF had taken on about 500 of this later design to form the backbone of the fighter squadrons.

 

 

Hawker Hurricane Mk IIB &
Hawker Hurricane MK IIC & 
Hawker Hurricane MK IID

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Hurricane Mk IIB (Hurricane IIA Series 2)

The Hurricane II B were fitted with racks allowing them to carry two 250 lb or two 500 lb bombs. This lowered the top speed of the Hurricane to 301 mph (484 km/h), but by this point mixed sweeps of Hurricanes protected by a fighter screen of Hurricanes were not uncommon. The same racks would allow the Hurricane to carry two 45-gallon (205 l) drop tanks instead of the bombs, more than doubling the Hurricane's fuel load.

 

Hurricane Mk IIC (Hurricane Mk IIA Series 2)

Hurricane Mk IIA Series 1 equipped with new and slightly longer propeller spinner and fully replaced the machine-gun armament with four 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannons, two per side. Hurricane IIA Series 2 became the Mk IIC in June 1941, using a slightly modified wing. The new wings also included a hardpoint for a 500 or 250 lb (230 or 110 kg) bomb, and later in 1941, fuel tanks. By then, performance was inferior to the latest German fighters, and the Hurricane changed to the ground-attack role, sometimes referred to as the Hurribomber. The mark also served as a night fighter and intruder.

 

Hurricane Mk IID

Hurricane Mk IIB conversion armed with two 40 mm (1.57 in) anti-tank autocannons in a gondola-style pod, one under each wing and a single Browning machine gun in each wing loaded with tracers for aiming purposes. The first aircraft flew on 18 September 1941 and deliveries started in 1942. Serial built aircraft had additional armour for the pilot, radiator and engine, and were armed with a Rolls-Royce gun with 12 rounds, later changed to the 40 mm (1.57 in) Vickers S gun with 15 rounds. The outer wing attachments were strengthened so that 4G could be pulled at a weight of 8,540 lb (3,874 kg).[142] The weight of guns and armour protection marginally impacted the aircraft's performance. These Hurricanes were nicknamed "Flying Can Openers", perhaps a play on the No. 6 Squadron's logo which flew the Hurricane starting in 1941.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.84 m)

Wingspan: 40 ft 0 in (12.19 m)

Height: 13 ft 1½ in (4.0 m)

Wing area: 257.5 ft² (23.92 m²)

Empty weight: 5,745 lb (2,605 kg)

Loaded weight: 7,670 lb (3,480 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 8,710 lb (3,950 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Merlin XX liquid-cooled V-12, 1,185 hp (883 kW) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 340 mph (547 km/h) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m) [N 12]

Range: 600 mi (965 km)

Service ceiling: 36,000 ft (10,970 m)

Rate of climb: 2,780 ft/min (14.1 m/s)

Wing loading: 29.8 lb/ft² (121.9 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb (0.25 kW/kg)

 

Armament

Guns: 4 × 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannon

Bombs: 2 × 250 or 500 lb (110 or 230 kg) bombs

 

 

Attackers :

 

Fairey Battle B 

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Battle Mk II

Three-seat light bomber version. Powered by a 1,030 hp (770 kW) Rolls-Royce Merlin II inline piston engine.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 3

Length: 42 ft 4 in (12.91 m)

Wingspan: 54 ft 0 in (16.46 m)

Height: 15 ft 6 in (4.72 m)

Wing area: 422 ft² (39.2 m²)

Empty weight: 6,647 lb (3,015 kg)

Loaded weight: 10,792 lb (4,895 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Merlin II liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,030 hp (768 kW)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 257 mph (223 kn, 413 km/h) at 15,000 ft (4,600 m)

Range: 1,000 mi (870 nmi, 1610 km)

Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,620 m)

Climb to 5,000 ft (1,520 m): 4 min 6 sec

 

Armament

Guns:

1× .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine gun in starboard wing

1× .303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers K machine gun in rear cabin

Bombs:

4× 250 lb (110 kg) bombs internally

500 lb (230 kg) of bombs externally

 

 

Beaufighter Mk II &
Beaufighter Mk VI 

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Beaufighter Mk VI

the Hercules returned with the next major version in 1942, the Mk VI, which was eventually built to over 1,000 examples. Changes included a dihedral tailplane.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 2: pilot, observer

Length: 41 ft 4 in (12.6 m)

Wingspan: 57 ft 10 in (17.65 m)

Height: 15 ft 10 in (4.84 m)

Wing area: 503 ft²[53] (46,73 m²)

Empty weight: 15,592 lb (7,072 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 25,400 lb (11,521 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Bristol Hercules 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,600 hp (1,200 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 320 mph (280 kn, 515 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,050 m)

Range: 1,750 mi (1,520 nmi, 2,816 km)

Service ceiling: 19,000 ft (5,795 m) without torpedo

Rate of climb: 1,600 ft/min (8.2 m/s) without torpedo

Armament

 

Guns

4 × 20 mm Hispano Mk II cannon (240 rpg) in nose

1 × manually operated .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning for observer

External loads

2× 250 lb bombs or

1× British 18 inch torpedo or

1× Mark 13 torpedo or

8 × RP-3 "60 lb" (27 kg) rockets (underwing)

 

 

Bombers :

Wellington B Mk III &
Wellington B MK VIII &
Wellington B Mk X &
Wellington B Mk Xi &
Wellington B Mk XII &
Wellington B Mk XIII

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Type 417 Wellington B Mark III

The next significant variant was the B Mark III which featured the 1,375 hp (1,205 kW) Bristol Hercules III or XI engine and a four-gun tail turret, instead of two-gun. A total of 1,519 Mark IIIs were built and became mainstays of Bomber Command through 1941. A total of 1,517 were built at Chester and Blackpool.

 

Type 429 Wellington GR Mark VIII

Mark IC conversion for Coastal Command service. Roles included reconnaissance, anti-submarine and anti-shipping attack. A Coastal Command Wellington was the first aircraft to be fitted with the anti-submarine Leigh light. A total of 307 were built at Weybridge, 58 fitted with the Leigh Light.

 

Type 440 Wellington B Mark X

The most widely produced variant of which 3,804 were built. It was similar to the Mark III except for the 1,675 hp (1,250 kW) Hercules XVIII powerplant. The Mark X was the basis for a number of Coastal Command versions. A total of 3,803 were built at Chester and Blackpool.

 

Type 458 Wellington GR Mark XI

Maritime version of B Mark X with an ordinary nose turret and mast radar ASV Mark II instead of chin radome, no waist guns, 180 built at Weybridge and Blackpool.

 

Type 455 Wellington GR Mark XII

Maritime version of B Mark X armed with torpedoes and with a chin radome housing the ASV Mark III radar, single nose machine gun, 58 built at Weybridge and Chester.

 

Type 466 Wellington GR Mark XIII

Maritime version of B Mark X with an ordinary nose turret and mast radar ASV Mark II instead of chin radome, no waist guns, 844 built Weybridge and Blackpool.

 

General characteristics

Crew: six

Length: 64 ft 7 in (19.69 m)

Wingspan: 86 ft 2 in (26.27 m)

Height: 17 ft 5 in (5.31 m)

Wing area: 840 ft² (78.1 m²)

Empty weight: 18,556 lb (8,435 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 28,500 lb (12,955 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Bristol Pegasus Mark XVIII radial engines, 1,050 hp (783 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 235 mph (378 km/h) at 15,500 ft (4,730 m)

Range: 2,550 mi (2,217 nmi, 4,106 km)

Service ceiling: 18,000 ft (5,490 m)

Rate of climb: 1,120 ft/min (5.7 m/s)

Wing loading: 34 lb/ft² (168 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.08 hp/lb (0.13 kW/kg)

 

Armament

Guns: 6–8× .303 Browning machine guns:

2× in nose turret

2× in tail turret[note 1]

2× in waist positions [note 2]

Bombs: 4,500 lb (2,041 kg) bombs

 

 

Boston III

 

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DB-7B / Boston III

The DB-7B was the first batch of this model to be ordered directly by the Royal Air Force. This was done in February 1940. These were powered by the same engines as the DB-7A, with better armor protection. Importantly, these had larger fuel tanks and they were suitable for use by the RAF as light bombers. This was the batch for which the name "Boston" was first assigned but since the DB-7s intended for France entered service in the RAF first, the aircraft in this order were called the Boston Mk III. Among other combat missions, they took part in the attacks on the German warships Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen during their dash through the English Channel (Operation Cerberus) and the raid on Dieppe ("Operation Jubilee"). Three hundred Boston III were produced and delivered and some of them were converted for use as night fighters.

General characteristics

Crew: 3

Length: 47 ft 11 1⁄7/8 in (14.63 m)

Wingspan: 61 ft 4 in (18.69 m)

Height: 17 ft 7 in (5.36 m)

Wing area: 464 ft² (43.1 m²)

Empty weight: 16693 lb (7708 kg)

Loaded weight: 24127 lb (10964 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Wright R-2600-23 "Twin Cyclone" radial engines, 1,600 hp (1,200 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 317 mph (276 kn, 510 km/h) at 10,700 ft (3,260 m)

Cruise speed: 256 mph (223 kn, 412 km/h)

Range: 945 mi (822 nmi, 1,521 km) (Combat range)

Service ceiling: 23,700 ft (7,225 m)

Climb to 10,000 ft (3,050 m): 8.8 min

 

Armament

Guns:

6× fixed forward firing 0.5 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns in the nose

2× 0.5 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns in dorsal turret

1x flexible 0.5 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine gun, mounted behind bomb bay

Bombs: 4,000 lb (1,800 kg)

 

 

 

Hudson Mk I

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Hudson I

Production aircraft for the Royal Air Force (RAF); 351 built and 50 for the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

 

General characteristics

Crew: 6

Length: 44 ft 4 in (13.51 m)

Wingspan: 65 ft 6 in (19.96 m)

Height: 11 ft 10 in (3.62 m)

Wing area: 551 sq ft (51.2 m²)

Empty weight: 12,000 lb (5,400 kg)

Loaded weight: 17,500 lb (7,930 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 18,500 lb (8,390 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Wright Cyclone 9-cylinder radial engines, 1,100 hp (820 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 218 kt (246 mph, 397 km/h)

Range: 1,700 nmi (1,960 mi, 3,150 km)

Service ceiling: 24,500 ft (7,470 m)

Rate of climb: 1,200 ft/min (6.2 m/s)

 

Armament

Guns:

2 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns in dorsal turret

2× .303 Browning machine guns in nose

Bombs: 750 lb (340 kg) of bombs or depth charges


 

 

 

B-34 Ventura II &
PV-1 Ventura GR-5

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Ventura II

R-2800-31 powered variant for the RAF, 487 built, some transferred to the USAAC and USN

 

Ventura V

British designation for the PV-1, later designated Ventura GR.V.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 6

Length: 51 ft 5 in (15.7 m)

Wingspan: 65 ft 6 in (20 m)

Height: 11 ft 10 in (3.6 m)

Wing area: 551 ft² (51.2 m²)

Empty weight: 20,197 lb (9,161 kg)

Loaded weight: 31,000 lb (14,061 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 34,000 lb (15,422 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800 radial engines, 2,000 hp (1,491 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 322 mph (518 km/h)

Cruise speed: 230 mph (370 km/h)

Range: 1,660 mi (2,670 km)

Ferry range: 2,600 mi (4,200 km)

Service ceiling: 26,300 ft (8,020 m)

Rate of climb: 2,035 ft/min (15.4 m/s)

Wing loading: 56.4 lb/ft² (275 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.13 hp/lb (0.21 kW/kg)

 

Armament

Guns:

4 × .50 BMG (12.7 mm) Browning M2 machine guns

2 × .30 cal. (7.62 mm) M1919 Browning machine guns

Bombs:

3,000 lb (1,400 kg) general ordnance or

6 × 325 lb (147 kg) depth charges or

1 × torpedo

 

 

Tier 3

 

US Fighters :

P-40N Kittyhawk IV (Warhawk) &
P-40 Kittyhawk Mk IV &
P40M Kittyhawk Mk III &
P-40 Kittyhawk MKIA 

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P-40M, version generally similar to the P-40K, with a stretched fuselage like the P-40L and powered by an Allison V-1710-81 engine giving better performance at altitude (compared to previous Allison versions). It had some detail improvements and it was characterized by two small air scoops just before the exhaust pipes. Most of them were supplied to Allied countries (mainly UK and USSR), while some others remained in the USA for advanced training. It was also supplied to the Commonwealth air forces as the Kittyhawk Mk. III.

 

P-40N (manufactured 1943–44), the final production model. The P-40N featured a stretched rear fuselage to counter the torque of the larger, late-war Allison engine, and the rear deck of the cockpit behind the pilot was cut down at a moderate slant to improve rearward visibility. A great deal of work was also done to try and eliminate excess weight to improve the Warhawk's climb rate. Early N production blocks dropped a .50 in (12.7 mm) gun from each wing, bringing the total back to four; later production blocks reintroduced it after complaints from units in the field. Supplied to Commonwealth air forces as the Kittyhawk Mk IV. A total of 553 P-40Ns were acquired by the Royal Australian Air Force, making it the variant most commonly used by the RAAF. Subvariants of the P-40N ranged widely in specialization from stripped down four-gun "hot rods" that could reach the highest top speeds of any production variant of the P-40 (up to 380 mph), to overweight types with all the extras intended for fighter-bombing or even training missions. The 15,000th P-40 was an N model decorated with the markings of 28 nations that had employed any of Curtiss-Wright's various aircraft products, not just P-40s. "These spectacular markings gave rise to the erroneous belief that the P-40 series had been used by all 28 countries."[93] Since the P-40N was by 1944 used mainly as a ground attack aircraft in Europe, it was nicknamed B-40 by pilots. Survivors redesignated as ZF-40N in June 1948.

 

 

Mustang III
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P-51C (NA-103)

In the summer of 1943, Mustang production was begun at a new plant in Dallas, Texas, as well as at the existing facility in Inglewood, California. The P-51C version mainly used the medium-altitude rated V-1650-7. The RAF named these models Mustang Mk III. 1,750 P-51Cs were built.[61] The RAF also used P-51Bs and Cs, designating them Mustang IIIs. A number of P-51Bs and Cs were modified as tactical-photo reconnaissance fighters and re-designated as F-6Cs.

 

 

UK Fighters :

Spitfire Mk Vb &

Spitfire Mk Vc

 

Spitfire Mk VIII

 

Attackers

Beaufighter Mk. X

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Beaufighter TF Mk X

two-seat torpedo fighter aircraft, dubbed the "Torbeau". Hercules XVII engines with cropped superchargers improved low-altitude performance. The last major version (2,231 built) was the Mk X. The later production models featured a dorsal fin

 

 

Bombers :

Vickers Warwick GR V

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Warwick GR Mk V or Vickers Type 474 — anti-submarine, general reconnaissance aircraft. It was powered by two Bristol Centaurus VII radial piston engines, armed with 7 machine guns and could carry 6,000 pounds (2,700 kg) of bombs, mines or depth charges. A Leigh light was fitted ventrally. The first operational sortie was carried out by 179 Squadron on 4 December 1944; 210 built.

 

General characteristics

Crew: six

Length: 72 ft 3 in (22.00 m)

Wingspan: 96 ft 8½ in (29.48 m)

Height: 18 ft 6 in (5.6 m)

Wing area: 1,006 ft² (93.5 m²)

Empty weight: 28,154 lb (12,797 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 45,000 lb (20,455 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800/S.1A4-G "Double Wasp" radial piston engine, 1,850 hp (1,380 kW each) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 224 mph (195 knots, 361 km/h)

Range: 2,300 miles (2,000 NM, 3,700 km)

Service ceiling: 21,500 ft (6,550 m)

Rate of climb: 660 ft/min (3.35 m/s)

 

Armament

Guns: 8 x .303 (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns in three turrets

 


Martin Marauder II

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Marauder III

British designation for 350 B-26F and B-26Gs for the Royal Air Force and South African Air Force.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 7: (2 pilots, bombardier, navigator/radio operator, 3 gunners)

Length: 58 ft 3 in (17.8 m)

Wingspan: 71 ft 0 in (21.65 m)

Height: 21 ft 6 in (6.55 m)

Wing area: 658 ft2 (61.1 m2)

Empty weight: 24,000 lb (11,000 kg)

Loaded weight: 37,000 lb (17,000 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800-43 radial engines, 2,000-2,200 hp (1,491 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 287 mph (250 knots, 460 km/h) at 5,000 feet (1,500 m)

Cruise speed: 216 mph (188 knots, 358 km/h)

Landing speed: 114 mph (90 knots, 167 km/h))

Combat radius: 1,150 mi (999 nmi, 1,850 km)

Ferry range: 2,850 mi (2,480 nmi, 4,590 km)

Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)

Wing loading: 46.4 lb/ft² (228 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.10 hp/lb (170 W/kg)

 

Armament

Guns: 12 × .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns

Bombs: 4,000 pounds (1,800 kg)

 

 

 

Tier 4

US Fighters 

P-51K Mustang IVA &

F-51D Mustang

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P-51D (NA-109)

As well as the modified fuselage and new canopy the production P-51Ds had modified wings compared with the P-51B/C series and became the most widely produced variant of the Mustang, with 6,502 being built at Inglewood and 1,600 at Dallas - a combined total of 8,102.[45] 280 were used by the RAF and designated Mustang Mk IV.

 

P-51K

A Dallas-built variation of the P-51D equipped with an Aeroproducts propeller in place of the Hamilton Standard propeller was designated P-51K; 1,500 of these were built.[45] The RAF received 594 P-51-Ks and assigned them the name Mustang Mk IVA

 

 

UK Fighters :

Spitfire LF IX &
Spitfire IX &
Spitfire IXe

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Attackers :

Mosquito MK II &
Mosquito Mk IX &
Mosquito Mk XVI 

 

Bombers :

B24J Liberator :

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B-24J

The B-24J was very similar to the B-24H, but shortages of the Emerson nose turret required use of a modified, hydraulically powered Consolidated A-6 turret in most J model aircraft built at Consolidated's San Diego and Fort Worth factories. The B-24J featured an improved autopilot (type C-1) and a bombsight of the M-1 series. B-24H sub-assemblies made by Ford and constructed by other companies and any model with a C-1 or M-1 retrofit, were all designated B-24J. The J model was the only version to be built by all five factories involved in B-24 production. (Total: 6,678)

 

 

General characteristics

Crew: 11 (pilot, co-pilot, navigator, bombardier, radio operator, nose turret, top turret, 2 waist gunners, ball turret, tail gunner)

Length: 67 ft 8 in (20.6 m)

Wingspan: 110 ft 0 in (33.5 m)

Height: 18 ft 0 in (5.5 m)

Wing area: 1,048 ft² (97.4 m²)

Airfoil: Davis 22% / Davis 9.3%

Empty weight: 36,500 lb (16,590 kg)

Loaded weight: 55,000 lb (25,000 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 65,000 lb (29,500 kg)

Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0406

Drag area: 42.54 sq ft (3.952 m2)

Aspect ratio: 11.55

Powerplant: 4 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-35 or -41 turbosupercharged radial engines, 1,200 hp (900 kW) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 290 mph (250 kn, 488 km/h)

Cruise speed: 215 mph (187 kn, 346 km/h)

Stall speed: 95 mph (83 kn, 153 km/h)

Range: 2,100 mi (1,800 nautical miles (3,300 kilometres))

Ferry range: 3,700 mi (3,200 nmi (5,900 km))

Service ceiling: 28,000 ft (8,500 m)

Rate of climb: 1,025 ft/min (5.2 m/s)

Wing loading: 52.5 lb/ft² (256 kg/m²)

Power/mass: 0.0873 hp/lb (144 W/kg)

Lift-to-drag ratio: 12.9

 

Armament

Guns: 10 × .50 caliber (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in 4 turrets and two waist positions

Bombs:

Short range (˜400 mi [640 km]): 8,000 pounds (3,600 kg)

Long range (˜800 mi [1,300 km]): 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg)

Very long range (˜1,200 mi [1,900 km]): 2,700 pounds (1,200 kg)

 

Avro Shackleton MR.3

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Shackleton MR.Mk.3

Maritime reconnaissance, anti-shipping aircraft. The tailwheel configuration was replaced by a tricycle undercarriage, addition of a nose entrance hatch, wingtip tanks to increase fuel capacity.[52] To increase crew comfort the inside was sound proofed, better crew seats and rearranged tactical team positions.[52] To make room for some of the internal rearrangement the dorsal turret was not fitted.[52] The first MR.3 flew on 2 September 1955, the aircraft had problems with stalling characteristics and crashed on 7 December 1956.The variant entered service with 220 Squadron at RAF St Eval in August 1957.[52] The RAF ordered 52 aircraft but later following the 1956 Defence Review it was reduced to 33 aircraft.An additional aircraft was also built to replace the aircraft lost during stalling trials.[52] An additional eight aircraft were exported to South Africa.

 

The aircraft underwent several phased modifications:

 

Shackleton MR.Mk.3 Phase 1

The Phase 1 update introduced changes mainly to the internal equipment.

 

Shackleton MR.Mk.3 Phase 2

The Phase 2 update introduced ECM equipment, the distinctive Orange Harvest 'spark plug' and an improved High Frequency radio.

MR.3 XF708 left wing showing outer engine nacelle (left) with propellers at front and Viper turbojet exhaust at rear. Compare with inner nacelle.

 

Shackleton MR.Mk.3 Phase 3

The third of three MR 3 modification phases including the addition of two Armstrong Siddeley Viper turbojet engines at the rear of the outboard engine nacelles to be used for assisted takeoff. The wing main spars had to be strengthened due to the additional engines. A new navigation system was also fitted and there were some modification to the internal arrangement, including a shorter crew rest area to give more room for the tactical positions.

 

 

General characteristics

Crew: ten

Length: 87 ft 4 in (26.61 m)

Wingspan: 120 ft (36.58 m)

Height: 17 ft 6 in (5.33 m)

Wing area: 1,421 ft² (132 m²)

Airfoil: modified NACA 23018 at root, NACA 23012 at wingtip

Empty weight: 51,400 lb (23,300 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 86,000 lb (39,000 kg

Fuel capacity: 4,258 imperial gallons (19,360 L)

Powerplant: four × Rolls-Royce Griffon 57 liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,960 hp (1,460 kW) each

Propellers: contra-rotating propeller, two per engine

Propeller diameter: 13 ft (4 m)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 260 kn (300 mph, 480 km/h)

Range: 1,950 nmi (2,250 mi, 3,620 km)

Endurance: 14.6 hours

Service ceiling: 20,200 ft (6,200 m)

Max. wing loading: 61 lb/ft² (300 kg/m²)

Minimum power/mass: 91 hp/lb (150 W/kg))

 

Armament

Guns: 2 × 20 mm Hispano Mark V cannon in the nose

Bombs: 10,000 lb (4,536 kg) of bombs, torpedoes, mines, or conventional or nuclear depth charges, such as the Mk 101 Lulu

 

Tier 5

US Fighters :

North American F-86 F30-NA

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F-86F

Uprated engine and larger "6–3" wing without leading edge slats, 2,239 built; North American model NA-172 (F-86F-1 through F-15 blocks), NA-176 (F-86F-20 and −25 blocks), NA-191 (F-86F-30 and −35 blocks), NA-193 (F-86F-26 block), NA-202 (F-86F-35 block), NA-227 (first two orders of F-86F-40 blocks comprising 280 aircraft that reverted to leading edge wing slats of an improved design), NA-231 (70 in third F-40 block order), NA-238 (110 in fourth F-40 block order), and NA-256 (120 in final F-40 block order); 300 additional airframes in this series assembled by Mitsubishi in Japan for Japanese Air Self-Defense Force. Sabre Fs had much improved high-speed agility, coupled with a higher landing speed of over 145 mph (233 km/h). The F-35 block had provisions for a new task: the nuclear tactical attack with one of the new small "nukes" ("second generation" nuclear ordnance). The F-40 had a new slatted wing, with a slight decrease of speed, but also a much better agility at high and low speed with a landing speed reduced to 124 mph (200 km/h). The USAF upgraded many of previous F versions to the F-40 standard. One E and two Fs were modified for improved performance via rocket boost. F-30 (52-4608) had a Rocketdyne AR2-3 with 3-6000 lb thrust at 35,000 feet, giving a top speed of M1.22 at 60,000 feet

 

General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 37 ft 1 in (11.4 m)

Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in (11.3 m)

Height: 14 ft 1 in (4.5 m)

Wing area: 313.4 sq ft (29.11 m²)

Empty weight: 11,125 lb (5,046 kg)

Loaded weight: 15,198 lb (6,894 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 18,152 lb (8,234 kg)

Fuel provisions Internal fuel load: 437 US gallons (1,650 L), Drop tanks: 2x200 US gallons (760 L) JP-4 fuel

Powerplant: 1 × General Electric J47-GE-27 turbojet, 5,910 lbf (26.3 kN)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 687 mph (1,106 km/h) at sea level at 14,212 lb (6,447 kg) combat weight
also reported 678 mph (1,091 km/h) and 599 at 35,000 feet (11,000 m) at 15,352 pounds (6,960 kg). (597 knots (1,106 km/h) at 6446 m, 1,091 and 964 km/h at 6,960 m.)

Stall speed: 124 mph (power off) (108 knots (200 km/h))

Range: 1,525 mi, (2,454 km)

Service ceiling: 49,600 ft at combat weight (15,100 m)

Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min at sea level (45.72 m/s)

Wing loading: 49.4 lb/ft² (236.7 kg/m²)

lift-to-drag: 15.1

Thrust/weight: 0.42

 

Armament

Guns: 6 X 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M3 Browning machine guns (1,800 rounds in total)

Rockets: variety of rocket launchers; e.g.: 2 Matra rocket pods with 18 SNEB 68 mm rockets per pod

Bombs: 5,300 lb (2,400 kg) of payload on four external hardpoints, bombs were usually mounted on outer two pylons as the inner pairs were plumbed for 2 200 US gallons (760 L) drop tanks which gave the Sabre a more useful range. A wide variety of bombs could be carried (max standard loadout being 2 1,000 lb bombs plus two drop tanks), napalm canisters and could have included a tactical nuclear weapon.


 

 

 

Canadair Sabre Mk6

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Sabre Mk 6

655 built, 390 to RCAF, 225 to Luftwaffe, six to Colombia and 34 to South Africa

 

 

UK Fighters :

DH.100 Vampire FB5 &
DH.115 Vampire T55 :

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FB.5: single-seat fighter-bomber version. Powered by the Goblin 2 turbojet; 930 built for the RAF and 88 for export

T.55: export version of the DH.115 trainer; 216 built and six converted from the T.11

 

General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 30 ft 9 in (9.37 m)

Wingspan: 38 ft (11.58 m)

Height: 8 ft 10 in (2.69 m)

Wing area: 262 ft² (24.34 m²)

Empty weight: 7,283 lb (3,304 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 12,390 lb [116] (5,620 kg)

Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Goblin 3 centrifugal turbojet, 3,350 lbf (14.90 kN)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 548 mph (882 km/h)

Range: 1,220 mi (1,960 km)

Service ceiling: 42,800 ft (13,045 m)

Rate of climb: 4,800 ft/min[116] (24.4 m/s)

 

Armament

Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon with 600 rounds total (150 rounds per gun).

Rockets: 8 × 3-inch "60 lb" rockets

Bombs: 2 × 500 lb (225 kg) bombs or two drop-tanks

 

 

Attackers :

Atlas Impala Mk I &
Atlas Impala Mk II

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MB-326K: Single-seat ground-attack aircraft for the South African Air Force. Built under license in South Africa by the Atlas Aircraft Corporation.

Impala Mk II: South African Air Force designation of the MB-326K.

 

MB-326M: Two-seat jet trainer, ground-attack aircraft for the South African Air Force. Built under license in South Africa by the Atlas Aircraft Corporation.

Impala Mk I: South African Air Force designation of the MB-326M.

 

General characteristics

Crew: Two

Payload: 1,814 kg (4,000 lb)

Length: 10.65m (34 ft 11¼ in)

Wingspan: 10.56 m (34 ft 8 in)

Height: 3.72 m (12 ft 2½ in)

Wing area: 19.0 m² (204.5 ft²)

Empty weight: 2,237 kg (4,930 lb)

Max. takeoff weight: 3,765 kg (8,300 lb)

Powerplant: 1 × Bristol Siddeley Viper Mk.11 turbojet, 11.1 kN (2,500 lbf)

 

Performance

Never exceed speed: Mach 0.8

Maximum speed: 806 km/h (436 knots, 501 mph) at 4,575m (15,000 ft)

Stall speed: 146 km/h (79 knots , 91 mph) (wheels and flaps lowered)

Range: 1,665 km (900 Nmi, 1,035 miles) with large tip tanks at 11,500 m (38,000 ft)

Service ceiling: 12,500 m (41,000 ft)

Rate of climb: 22.3 m/s (4,400 ft/min)

 

Armament

Guns: 2 x 30mm DEFA cannon in lower front fuselage. 

Bombs: Up to 4000 lb (1814 kg) of weapons on six hardpoints, including gun-pods, bombs, and rockets

 

 

Bombers :

English Electric Canberra T Mk4 &
English Electric Canberra B(1) 12 

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Canberra T.4

First trainer variant with dual controls and a crew of three

 

Canberra B(I).12

Canberra B(I).8 bombers built for New Zealand and South Africa.

 

General characteristics

Crew: 3

Length: 65 ft 6 in (19.96 m)

Wingspan: 64 ft 0 in (19.51 m)

Height: 15 ft 8 in (4.77 m)

Wing area: 960 ft² (89.19 m²)

Empty weight: 21,650 lb (9,820 kg)

Loaded weight: 46,000 lb (20,865 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 55,000 lb (24,948 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × Rolls-Royce Avon R.A.7 Mk.109 turbojets, 7,400 lbf (36 kN) each

 

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 0.88 (580 mph, 933 km/h) at 40,000 ft (12,192 m)

Combat radius: 810 mi (700 nm, 1,300 km)

Ferry range: 3,380 mi (2,940 nm, 5,440 km)

Service ceiling: 48,000 ft (15,000 m)

Rate of climb: 3,400 ft/min (17 m/s)

Wing loading: 48 lb/ft² (234 kg/m²)

Thrust/weight: 0.37

 

Armament

Guns: 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannon mounted in rear bomb bay (500 rounds/gun), or 2 x 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine gun pods

Rockets: 2 x unguided rocket pods with 37 2-inch (51 mm) rockets, or 2 x Matra rocket pods with 18 SNEB 68 mm rockets each

Missiles: A variety of missiles can be carried according to mission requirements, e.g: 2 x AS-30L air-to-surface missiles

Bombs: Total of 8,000 lb (3,628 kg) of payload can be mounted inside the internal bomb bay and on two underwing hardpoints, with the ability to carry a variety of bombs.
Typically, the internal bomb bay can hold up to 9 x 500 lb (227 kg) bombs, or 6 x 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs, or 1 x 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) bomb; while the pylons can hold 4 x 500 lb (227 kg) bombs, or 2 x 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs.
Nuclear weapons: in addition to conventional ordnance, the Canberra was also type-approved for tactical nuclear weapon delivery, including the Mk 7, B28 (Mod 2, 70 kiloton yield), B57 and B43 (as part of a joint program with the United States) plus the Red Beard and WE.177A (Mod A, 10 kiloton yield) nuclear bombs.[184] All nuclear weapons were carried internally.

 

 

Premiums :

Tier 1:

Pat Pattle's Gladiator :

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Pattle

 

Highest Scoring Commonwealth Pilot.

 

 

 

Captured CR42 :

A Fiat CR42 was flown back for Displays all over South Africa - I have a picture in a book "ON WINGS OF EAGLES" but unable to find on online.

 

Tier 2 :

Adolph Malan's Spitfire Mk 1

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Malan

 

3rd Highest Scoring Commonwealth Pilot.

 

 

Tier 3 :

Spitfire Mk VIII with High Alt Wing Tips.

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Captured Bf109 F-2

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Tier 4

Edwin Swales VFC Lancaster B Mk III

 

Spitfire Mk H.F.IX (MH931)

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Tier 5 Rare Aircraft :

Ex-Mozambican Mig 17. 

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This early MiG-17 of the Mozambican aircraft flown by Lt. Adriano Bomba, defected to AFB Hoedspruit in July 1981 and was intercepted by two Mirage F1AZ's of 1 sqn. After evaluation and an airshow appearance, it was returned by road to Mozambique.

 

 

Meteor III EE 429

The first jet aircraft in South Africa. It was sent by Gloster for the SAAF to test it. After 2 years of operation, The SAAF Decided to get the Vampire instead.

 

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I will do the tanks later on, But I really think we could have an interesting tech tree here.

Any comments will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

_Argonaught_

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And now the Tanks :

I would split them into 4 groups :

US Tanks,

UK Tanks,

Wheeled Vehicles,

AA.

 

Tier 1 :

US Tanks 

M3A1 Stuart

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M3A1 (Stuart III)

4,621 were produced from May 1942 to February 1943.

New turret with turret basket and no cupola. Gun vertical stabilizer installed. Sponson machine guns were removed.

M3A1s with Guiberson diesel were called "Stuart IV" by British.

 

 

UK Tanks :

Crusader Mk II &

Crusader Mk VI

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Wheeled Vehicles :
Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car Mk II &
Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car Mk III &
Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car Mk IV

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Mk II (1941) - lengthened chassis, all-wheel drive. Early vehicles carried the same armament as Mk I. Late production vehicles received an octagonal turret with Boys anti-tank rifle and Bren MG. There were pintle mountings for Vickers MG and Bren MG (the latter was rarely carried). Hull was riveted in early vehicles and welded in late production ones. 887 units built.

 

Mk III (1941) - similar to late production Mk II, with a slightly shorter wheelbase. Late production vehicles had single rear door, no radiator grille and no headlight covers. 2,630 units built.

 

Mk IV (1943)

The Mark IV was a completely redesigned vehicle, though still based on the same engine and Marmon-Herrington components. The rear-mounted engine and the transmission were bolted directly to the welded hull.[4] Armour protection was still thin at only 12 mm to the front and 6 mm thick elsewhere. A QF 2 pounder anti-tank gun was mounted in a two-man turret. The gun used an artillery mounting as the turret was not up to the stress of a tank mantlet mounting. Late production vehicles had a coaxial Browning MG. An anti-aircraft Vickers or Browning MG was mounted on the turret roof. Over 2,000 units built. After the war many Jordanian examples had the turret lengthened at the front and fitted with a 6 pounder (57mm) gun, while others had the turret removed and a Vickers 2.95" mountain howitzer fitted in its place.

 

 

 

 


AA
Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car Mk IIIA

Mk IIIA - turret replaced by a ring mount for two .303 Vickers K machine guns protected by a steel skirt. The A denoted a modification of the armament.

 

Tier 2 :

US Tanks
M10

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M4(105)

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M4(105) - Upgraded with 105mm M4 Howitzer, designed for infantry support and assault, sacrificing anti-armour capability.

 

 

UK Tanks

Valentine Mk VII

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Valentine VII

Another Canadian version, it was essentially the VI with internal changes and No. 19 Wireless replaced the No. 11 radio set.

 

 

M3 Grant

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M3 (Lee I/Grant I)

Riveted hull, high profile turret, gasoline engine. 4,724 built.

 

 

Sherman III &

Sherman IV

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Wheeled Vehicles

Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car Mk VI 2-pdr &

Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car Mk VI 6-pdr

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Mk VI (1943)

The Mark VI was a return to the 8-wheeled design. Powered by two Mercury V8 engines with an eight-wheel drive steered on the front and rear wheels. Two prototypes were built, one with a 2 pounder and other with a 6 pounder gun in an open-topped three-man turret with electric powered traverse and protected by 10 to 30 mm of sloped armour. Additional armament consisted of 2 or 3 machine guns. The two-pounder equipped version was sent to the UK for assessment, the transmission proved unreliable suffering several axle failures.[8] The 2-pdr is now in the Bovington Tank Museum, the other in South Africa.

 

 

Tier 3

UK Tanks

Comet B

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Sherman Firefly 

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Churchill AVRE

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Wheeled Vehicles :

Eland Mk5 90 &

Eland Mk7 90

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AA

Eland 20 (I know it is pushing the AA Boundary but worth a shot).

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Tier 4

UK Tanks :

 

Centurion Mk 2 &

Centurion Mk 3 &

Centurion Mk 5

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Wheeled Vehicles :

Ratel 90

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Rooikat 76

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AA

Ratel 20

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Tier 5

 

UK Tanks

Semel &
Olifant MK I &
Olifant Mk 1A

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Wheeled Vehicles 

Rooikat 105

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Ratel ZT3

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RooiKat Anti-Tank

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AA

Rooikat ZA 35

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Premiums :

Tier 1 

M3A1 "Honey"

 

Tier 3

T34-85 Captured in Angola

 

Tier 4

PT-76 Captured in Angola

 

Skokiaan (Prototype of the Olifant - Centurion with M60 engine parts)

 

Rare Tier 5

T55 which was captured in Angola

 

T72 bought from Poland for testing. We bought 2.

 

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I am not a tank person, So I am not accustomed to where I should get any information on tanks. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So In total, This is my South African Tech Tree. 

 

Many of the aircraft (and most tanks) were not made by South Africa. 

 

HOWEVER,

 

We had a complete air force and a really good ground force too.

During trade embargoes we were able to develop class leaders such as the Ratel and Rooikat.

I know some of the later model tanks are pushing the limits of development time but overall I think that they are comparable to other countries equipment.

 

The Aircraft would be a nice learning tree, With both US and UK fighters (most with a SA Twist) and then a nice mix of UK and US Bombers.

The Tanks would be a nice Wheeled Vehicle line up. Promoting maneuverability and speed. 

 

Regards,

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I don't really see your independent South African tree going anywhere. With such a large number of copy vehicles it will end up like what Gaijin has said about the Chinese tree, it ain't happening.

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There are very few Copy Paste Aircraft (Percentage wise)

 

Copy :

  1. Hawker Fury
  2. Gloster Gladiator Mk II
  3. Blenheim Mk IV
  4. Hawker Hurricane Mk IIB
  5. Beaufighter MkVi
  6. Wellington B Mk III
  7. Wellington B Mk X
  8. P40 Kittyhawk Mk1A
  9. Spitfire Mk Vb
  10. Spitfire Mk Vc
  11. Beaufighter Mk X
  12. P51D Mustang
  13. Spitfire LF IX
  14. Spitfire IX
  15. North American F86 F30 Sabre
  16. Canadair Sabre Mk6
  17. DH.100 Vampire FB5
  18. E E Canberra B

All the other Aircraft are different versions, each having their own unique points.

 

The :

  1. Hawker Hartebeest
  2. Ju-86Z
  3. Gloster Gauntlet,
  4. Vickers Wellesley
  5. Martin Baltimore
  6. Martin Maryland
  7. P40 Tomahawk
  8. Fairey Battle
  9. P-40N
  10. Spitfire Mk VIII
  11. Vickers Warwick GR V
  12. Martin Marauder II
  13. Mosquito Mk II
  14. Mosquito Mk IX
  15. Mosquito XVI
  16. Shackleton Mk Mk3
  17. Atlas Impala

Are all Completely different to what we have in the game at the moment.

 

So out of the 67 Planes listed

18 are exact copies

17 are completely unique

and the rest (32) are similar but different to the ones in game at the moment.

 

 

I know it is a long shot but lets be honest,

Those 17 UNIQUE aircraft wont really sit well in a US or UK tech tree as there are already too many at their position.

 

Regards,

_Argonaught_

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, _Argonaught_ said:

The :

  1. Hawker Hartebeest (Unique)
  2. Ju-86Z (Unique)
  3. Gloster Gauntlet, (Not unique)
  4. Vickers Wellesley (Not unique)
  5. Martin Baltimore (Not unique)
  6. Martin Maryland (Not unique)
  7. P40 Tomahawk (Not unique)
  8. Fairey Battle (Not unique)
  9. P-40N (Not unique)
  10. Spitfire Mk VIII (Not unique)
  11. Vickers Warwick GR V (Not unique)
  12. Martin Marauder II (Not unique)
  13. Mosquito Mk II (Not unique)
  14. Mosquito Mk IX (Not unique)
  15. Mosquito XVI (Not unique)
  16. Shackleton Mk Mk3 (Not unique)
  17. Atlas Impala (Unique)

Are all Completely different to what we have in the game at the moment.

17 are completely unique

 

I know it is a long shot but lets be honest,

Those 17 UNIQUE aircraft wont really sit well in a US or UK tech tree as there are already too many at their position.

 

 

 

14 of those 17 are not actually unique, they have just not been added to their respective original nations yet. There is literally nothing stopping Gaijin from adding them. I can only see 3 planes (4 if you split the Impala into Mk I and Mk II) on there that can be considered truly unique to the SAAF. My previous point stands.

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2 hours ago, _Argonaught_ said:

 

  1. Hawker Hartebeest
  2. Ju-86Z
  3. Gloster Gauntlet,
  4. Vickers Wellesley
  5. Martin Baltimore
  6. Martin Maryland
  7. P40 Tomahawk
  8. Fairey Battle
  9. P-40N
  10. Spitfire Mk VIII
  11. Vickers Warwick GR V
  12. Martin Marauder II
  13. Mosquito Mk II
  14. Mosquito Mk IX
  15. Mosquito XVI
  16. Shackleton Mk Mk3
  17. Atlas Impala

Are all Completely different to what we have in the game at the moment.

 

So out of the 67 Planes listed

18 are exact copies

17 are completely unique

and the rest (32) are similar but different to the ones in game at the moment.

 

 

I know it is a long shot but lets be honest,

Those 17 UNIQUE aircraft wont really sit well in a US or UK tech tree as there are already too many at their position.

 

Regards,

_Argonaught_

Which is these variants are actually unique to South Africa? Also the tank tree is more or less impossible with way to little vehicles to fill all of the vehicle spots.

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1 minute ago, blockhaj said:

Which is these variants are actually unique to South Africa? Also the tank tree is more or less impossible with way to little vehicles to fill all of the vehicle spots.

About 3 from my research.

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1 minute ago, Mercedes4321 said:

About 3 from my research.

Which ones?

I would suggest having all of the unique South African planes in a commonwealth tree. I have one in the works and it already includes all of the South African armored units.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VV5AQmQhPLTSKhxrEkkpwoK0xkNyKnWUhKsaRvOAhTU/edit#gid=0

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Just now, blockhaj said:

Which ones?

In my comment above your first one I laid out the list of his "unique" aircraft and got about 3-4 (The Impalas are two aircraft really when I think about it) are actually unique, the others nations like the US and the UK made use of them as well.

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I like the tree, more fleshed out than the Japanese tree ATM (unsurprisingly), but I have to agree that Gaijin probably wont add a separate South African tree, but maybe a Commonwealth tree with New Zealand, Australia, India, South Africa, etc. Would also like to see an Axis tree with Italy, Hungary, Romania, etc. as variety is the spice of life, and it adds more nation trees.

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15 minutes ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

I like the tree, more fleshed out than the Japanese tree ATM (unsurprisingly), but I have to agree that Gaijin probably wont add a separate South African tree, but maybe a Commonwealth tree with New Zealand, Australia, India, South Africa, etc. Would also like to see an Axis tree with Italy, Hungary, Romania, etc. as variety is the spice of life, and it adds more nation trees.

I'm of the opinion that the UK tree should become the Commonwealth tree.

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+1 I honestly think South Africa needs more love in this game.

It is unbelievable how such a issolated and small nation had such a huge impact on the over all dynamics of the war from south EU whilest also determining alot of outcomes from the North of EU.

Not to mention all the senior heads that composed the British board.

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This topic needs to be revisited with the new High Tier options and our Unique Oryx and Rooivalk helicopter options.

The new tier changes (allowing the Olifant MkII) and the inclusion of the Italian Centauro show just how well the Rooikat would work in game.

Personally, I think a Commonwealth Tree would be the best idea.

 

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