tanks/vehicles Leopard 2AV Prototype (1976)

[Laviduce 1,680]

1 hour ago, *Arkel-99 said:

When and if Gaijin decides to add more modern/powerful MBTs I would much rather see a Leopard 2 variant in the game like this then some prototype like the KPz 70 (MBT-70).

KPz 70 could be a nice addition on the way to the higher tier modern vehicles. It could also be a premium.

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2 hours ago, *Arkel-99 said:

When and if Gaijin decides to add more modern/powerful MBTs I would much rather see a Leopard 2 variant in the game like this then some prototype like the KPz 70 (MBT-70).

 

Except that this Leopard 2 variant is a one-off prototype modified to fit XM1 program requirements.

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8 hours ago, Laviduce said:

KPz 70 could be a nice addition on the way to the higher tier modern vehicles. It could also be a premium.

 

The small crew of only 3 is something I don't really like about the KPz 70 though and it most likely won't become a buyable premium unless Gaijin chances their policies.

 

7 hours ago, Nope said:

 

Except that this Leopard 2 variant is a one-off prototype modified to fit XM1 program requirements.

 

Yeah I understand that the Leopard 2AV is a prototype too, but unlike the KPz 70 this one actually saw further improvements which eventually led to a successful tank series of it with multiple variants that actually saw service.

Edited May 26, 2017 by *Arkel-99

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just saying...

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14 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

just saying...

 

*vomits*

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10 minutes ago, Rohrkrepiererer said:

 

*vomits*

no composite... no problem

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6 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

no composite... no problem

 

*keeps vomiting*

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1 hour ago, Rohrkrepiererer said:

 

*keeps vomiting*

funny... not

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17 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

funny... not

 

*vomits out stomach and lung tissue*

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found the pic of the article.

it was the testbed for the Leo 2AV Turrets

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On 5/26/2017 at 10:38 AM, dotEXCEL said:

found the pic of the article.

it was the testbed for the Leo 2AV Turrets

It looks cool but slightly better than anything we have atm. 

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9 hours ago, *Lightening_Drake said:

It looks cool but slightly better than anything we have atm. 

  *looking at Rh120/L44* 

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or just simply: bump
now that gaijin is asking if we want more modern vehiecles, lets discuss it again, shall we begin?

 

Edited August 1, 2017 by dotEXCEL

[Admiral_Aruon 2,174]

questions on the credibility of the original suggestion and its sources aside, i think the early Leo 2 family is almost ready for inclusion in WT. not quite yet, but no longer an insane dream. the Leo 1s need to be finished off and the KPZ-70 added to segue into the Leo 2 prototypes for germany.

 

 

with the Leo 1A6 with the RH 120mm L/44 was passed to developers, there's now some level of precedent for gaijin looking into the RH 120mm- but it would still be a Leo 1A1A1 with a bigger cannon. the Leo 2AV prototype 19 with the L7A3 on the other hand would have good armor and a gun that's limited to what we have now across NATO countries.

 

the Leo 2AV prototype 20/21 on the other hand is basically just a Leo 2. so a big NO there for the next 2 years.

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56 minutes ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

questions on the credibility of the original suggestion and its sources aside, i think the early Leo 2 family is almost ready for inclusion in WT. not quite yet, but no longer an insane dream. the Leo 1s need to be finished off and the KPZ-70 added to segue into the Leo 2 prototypes for germany.

 

 

with the Leo 1A6 with the RH 120mm L/44 was passed to developers, there's now some level of precedent for gaijin looking into the RH 120mm- but it would still be a Leo 1A1A1 with a bigger cannon. the Leo 2AV prototype 19 with the L7A3 on the other hand would have good armor and a gun that's limited to what we have now across NATO countries.

 

the Leo 2AV prototype 20/21 on the other hand is basically just a Leo 2. so a big NO there for the next 2 years.

 

To finish off the Leopard 1s you would only need like one or two additional versions to be honest, one of them being the 1A5. As for the one between the A1A1 and the A5, I would go with either the A3 or A4, depending on how powerful the ammo would have to be to effectively deal with their counterparts.

I don't want the Kpz70 in the German tree to be honest. I would much rather prefer the Kpz Keiler. Both versions, the one with the 105mm smoothbore, and the one with the 120mm RM prototype.

 

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1 hour ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

with the Leo 1A6 with the RH 120mm L/44 was passed to developers, there's now some level of precedent for gaijin looking into the RH 120mm- but it would still be a Leo 1A1A1 with a bigger cannon.

correction 1A5 with bigger gun

1 hour ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

the Leo 2AV prototype 20/21 on the other hand is basically just a Leo 2. so a big NO there for the next 2 years.

giant steelblock, no composite armour only spaced steel. why not tho? composite was inserted into the spacegaps with version 2A4

Edited August 1, 2017 by dotEXCEL

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46 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

giant steelblock, no composite armour only spaced steel. why not tho? composite was inserted into the spacegaps with version 2A4

 

Yet the effective armor was good enough to make the US DoD have a difficult time choosing between it and both XM1s, and the XM1's armor protection was at around 400mm RHSe according to the CIA and through some unknown standard possibly against 3BM-15 type that is more potent against composite armor than APDS.

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3 hours ago, Rohrkrepiererer said:

 

To finish off the Leopard 1s you would only need like one or two additional versions to be honest, one of them being the 1A5. As for the one between the A1A1 and the A5, I would go with either the A3 or A4, depending on how powerful the ammo would have to be to effectively deal with their counterparts.

I don't want the Kpz70 in the German tree to be honest. I would much rather prefer the Kpz Keiler. Both versions, the one with the 105mm smoothbore, and the one with the 120mm RM prototype.

 

 

i think the general idea is leo 1 - 1A1A1 - 1A3A3 (combined all 1A2 and 1A3 upgrades) - 1A5. the 1A6 was always a tossup because of the RH 120mm but apparently that might make it in sooner than the A3 or A5.

 

2 hours ago, dotEXCEL said:

correction 1A5 with bigger gun

giant steelblock, no composite armour only spaced steel. why not tho? composite was inserted into the spacegaps with version 2A4

 

both wikipedia and tank encyclopedia state about the 1A6: 

"A single 1A1A1 was also modified with additional armor on the turret and had the 120 mm gun as the Leopard 1A6. The project was ended in 1987, as the Leopard 2 was in widespread service at this point and the 1A5 offered a reasonable upgrade path for a fraction of the cost."

 

its not the non-composite body or turret that is the turnoff for me with the prototype 20- its that it's literally the Leopard 2A0 pre-series. its armor is GREAT for an all-steel design, but it also has the king of NATO cannons with the RH 120mm. i can see the Leo 1A6 in WT tomorrow because for all the punching power of the original APFSDS (DM23) round for the RH 120 L/44, its still a Leo 1. killing it isn't rocket science.

 

the prototype 19 is to me, the current max hard limit tank for WT, featuring the L7A3 with all ingame ammos which may include the 105mm APFSDS, as well as the incredible speed and maneuverability that define the Leo 2 family. and even then, this would be the IS-6 of 8.3. what amounts to a pre-debugged bone stock leo 2 on the other hand with the proto 20?... not yet. just not yet.

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I'd vote yes for it.  But, you need to add a poll option for Tier 6, at least 9.7BR

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12 minutes ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

both wikipedia and tank encyclopedia state about the 1A6: 

"A single 1A1A1 was also modified with additional armor on the turret and had the 120 mm gun as the Leopard 1A6. The project was ended in 1987, as the Leopard 2 was in widespread service at this point and the 1A5 offered a reasonable upgrade path for a fraction of the cost."

both are just wiki's which gaijin does not accept as a historical source

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20 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

both are just wiki's which gaijin does not accept as a historical source

 

ah right. ok then how about wikipedia sekrit tank encyclopedia dockumiyents?

 

Edited August 1, 2017 by Admiral_Aruon

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Theres my little red book... oops wrong regime. I would love to see this, however, would it be before or after the kelier, or kpz-70

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1 hour ago, *dontask123456649 said:

Theres my little red book... oops wrong regime. I would love to see this, however, would it be before or after the kelier, or kpz-70

historical order: KPZ-70---Keiler---2AV

3 hours ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

 

ah right. ok then how about wikipedia sekrit tank encyclopedia dockumiyents?

 

da tovarish

Edited August 1, 2017 by dotEXCEL

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I don't get why people are so obsessed with the Kpz70... It make the German tree not only have more prototype tanks of this calibre than the US, it would also take all insentive to play the US at that Tier, since you get a Kpz70 in the German tree anyways. 

I say leave the Kpz70 out, and give the Germans the two Keilers instead.

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I'm in!