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Battleships did did nothing in ww2

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If there were no Battleships protecting the fleets, then it would be asking for trouble... the Battleships were always a weapon of fear, they didnt have to necessarily be used in combat, but just showing up would make the enemy think otherwise... one reason why the US keeps certain retired Battleships on standby in case they are once again needed to convince the enemy to back down

 

On 1/12/2017 at 10:40 AM, slinkywinkyeye said:

That is why they are not in warthunder.

 

This is not the reason why, it has been explained a number of times elsewhere

 

On 1/19/2017 at 4:07 PM, *Amanda_D_215 said:

I heard infantry weren't important in the war too. It's why they're not being included. :facepalm:

 

The reason there is no infantry is because it would raise the current age limit for the game... and the Devs want to make sure the age limit is low as possible so that many as possible can play and have fun

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7 minutes ago, Pacifica said:

one reason why the US keeps certain retired Battleships on standby in case they are once again needed to convince the enemy to back down

Not really, well not anymore at least. The last 4 Iowa class have all been turned into museums and are open to the public now. 

 

USS Iowa is in LA

USS New Jersey is in Camden 

USS Wisconsin is in Norfolk

USS Missouri is in Pearl Harbor

 

They could probably be reconfigured to fight again if needed but the cost would be to much and to be honest they aren't really needed anymore.

The battleships day has long past. WW2 proved the aircraft carrier was king of the hill.

 

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5 minutes ago, *ko102crew said:

Not really, well not anymore at least. The last 4 Iowa class have all been turned into museums and are open to the public now. 

 

USS Iowa is in LA

USS New Jersey is in Camden 

USS Wisconsin is in Norfolk

USS Missouri is in Pearl Harbor

 

They could probably be reconfigured to fight again if needed but the cost would be to much and to be honest they aren't really needed anymore.

The battleships day has long past. WW2 proved the aircraft carrier was king of the hill.

 

 

"Muesum" is the code word for "Kept in a State of Readiness" ^^ and yes, like in the past when they were bought out of retirement, they can be modified pretty quickly for any task that maybe required of them

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4 hours ago, Pacifica said:

The reason there is no infantry is because it would raise the current age limit for the game... and the Devs want to make sure the age limit is low as possible so that many as possible can play and have fun

 

Well, his post was clearly sarcasm m8. Would be cool if the rumored bazooka infantry were AI protectorates of the GF spawns.

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22 hours ago, *ko102crew said:

Not really, well not anymore at least. The last 4 Iowa class have all been turned into museums and are open to the public now. 

 

USS Iowa is in LA

USS New Jersey is in Camden 

USS Wisconsin is in Norfolk

USS Missouri is in Pearl Harbor

 

They could probably be reconfigured to fight again if needed but the cost would be to much and to be honest they aren't really needed anymore.

The battleships day has long past. WW2 proved the aircraft carrier was king of the hill.

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Kirov class battlecruisers anyone?

 

its hard to tell how WW2 proved the aircraft carrier superiority (im not saying that they aren't superior) on Pacific only 4 battleships can be considered fully destroyed by Aircraft (more were destroyed other means), and 2 additional destroyed battleships with could be prevented if they were in operational conditions (Arizona and Oklahoma):

 Arizona, aft ammo magazines were touched off by black powder for aircraft catapults unwisely stored in proximity to the forward main magazines, i debut that someone would do that in war conditions.

Oklahoma damage control team didn't reacted in time, compared to USS West Virginia DCT with reacted in time saving ship despite equal amount of torpedo hits (9)

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50 minutes ago, arczer25 said:

Kirov class battlecruisers anyone?

 

its hard to tell how WW2 proved the aircraft carrier superiority (im not saying that they aren't superior) on Pacific only 4 battleships can be considered fully destroyed by Aircraft (more were destroyed other means), and 2 additional destroyed battleships with could be prevented if they were in operational conditions (Arizona and Oklahoma):

 Arizona, aft ammo magazines were touched off by black powder for aircraft catapults unwisely stored in proximity to the forward main magazines, i debut that someone would do that in war conditions.

Oklahoma damage control team didn't reacted in time, compared to USS West Virginia DCT with reacted in time saving ship despite equal amount of torpedo hits (9)

in that regard Azumazi told me something... that lil talk came ot be when i told him about this very thread

 

Azumazi: The problem is, they are comparing long range heavy bombers to a BB, vs a standard CV bomber
Azumazi: when it came to ship vs ship, the CV was better, but it did still take a lot of planes to get the job done
me: oh and of course, the Tirpitz sitting in her fjord was not of interest for the Royal navy or the US navy nor was the report that she sallied out a reason for a convoy to disperse and take vastly more casualties than they would've had when they would've stuck to conoys
Azumazi: Generally speaking, it took on average 2 Fleet carriers per battleship to sink it
Azumazi: The main thing most people forget, the US had pumped out so many carriers by 1945, that it's hard to remember that's the real reason why the BB's were out classed
me: so a simple "numbers game" once again?

me: want to see the thread?
Azumazi: I mean, **** we had by the end of the war, 16 Essex class fleet carriers, 9 Independence CVL, 1 Yorktown, 1 Lexington, 4 Commencement Bays, 10 Casablancas, and jesus christ we made like 55 Bogue class and gave them to everyone
me: "do you want a bogue?"
"Hmm... yes..."
"here take 2"
Azumazi: we gave the RN 35 of them
Azumazi: and they gave some to the Canadian navy
Azumazi: so yeah, we made a xxxx load of them
Azumazi: now, it only carried up to 24 aircraft
Azumazi: but seriously, that's 24x45 that were in action
Azumazi: so roughly 1080 planes on small carriers
Azumazi: we did finish 24 Essex class, but not all of them were done before the war ended
Azumazi: they were also capable of around 100 aircraft each
Azumazi: That's the main reason why ships like the Yamato and Musashi went down
Azumazi: 600-700 planes
Azumazi: Seriously, 6 fleet carriers with around 7 smaller escort carriers attacked them
Azumazi: that's not a small amount of xxxx you

me: send enough mosquitos and even an elephant will be sucked dry
Azumazi: but initally, the BB's weren't entirely outclassed because of issues with TB and DB"s effectively hitting their targets
Azumazi: and it's not like they were immune from return fire as a few carriers were lost to BB fire
me: HMS Glorious
Azumazi: yep
Azumazi: and 2 Escorts for the US
Azumazi: Gambler Bay

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Pushing aside for a moment the effectiveness of BBs in battle (which was present), they had serious strategic impact.

 

For instance, Italian BBs were supposedly useless (except participating in a few battles, but OK, they did not do all that much - Italy had big problems with fuel anyway). However, they forced the RN to deploy considerable assets to the Med. Sea to keep this threat in check. They had a strategic effect, even while sitting in port.

 

Similar story with British BBs - they pretty much shelved any plan of naval invasion. Even if air superiority had been achieved and air support from France could operate relatively unhindered (which is a lot more aircraft than on a carrier, and aircraft which are not hindered with limitations of carrier aircraft) it's very debatable if an invasion could be pulled off due to the British surface fleet. Someone said - carriers could have replaced battleships in all roles - well, carriers could not have achieved this impact, at all.

 

German capital ships again had a strategic effect on RN planning and forced the RN to assign capital ships to convoy escort duties. Carriers could not have replaced them here either, because they would have been powerless to defend a convoy from a capital ship, without an entire carrier group to protect the carrier as well.

 

I'm just not seeing how carriers could replace battleships for all duties in WW2, or how battleships had no effect.

 

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On 1/29/2017 at 3:06 PM, arczer25 said:

Kirov class battlecruisers anyone?

 

its hard to tell how WW2 proved the aircraft carrier superiority (im not saying that they aren't superior) on Pacific only 4 battleships can be considered fully destroyed by Aircraft (more were destroyed other means), and 2 additional destroyed battleships with could be prevented if they were in operational conditions (Arizona and Oklahoma):

 Arizona, aft ammo magazines were touched off by black powder for aircraft catapults unwisely stored in proximity to the forward main magazines, i debut that someone would do that in war conditions.

Oklahoma damage control team didn't reacted in time, compared to USS West Virginia DCT with reacted in time saving ship despite equal amount of torpedo hits (9)

Musashi, Yamato, Prince of Wales, Repulse, Ise.

 

So, 5. But how 4 of them were killed proven how powerful Aircraft were. 

 

That said, as for the US battleships..we have railguns on a Stealth Ship makes it a bit silly to re-active our Battleships. 

 

As for WW2 Battleships, keep in mind the real turning point in the Pacific was what happened in Iron Bottom Sound, and without the South Dakota and Washington (let's be real, it was the Washington that did everything) there was more than a good chance that the US doesn't win that campaign.

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