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WTPC Election: Applications for member candidacy now open (Nov 2016)

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Today (11/11/2016) we are opening the candidate applications now. Please state your case and answer the questions initially put up here. Please answer the following as an absolute minimum:

  • A unique topic consisting of your name and specialty (having all topics start with "WTPC" or "Candidate" will be redundant and confusing to browse through)

  • Age

  • Nationality

  • Languages spoken

  • In-Game Name

  • Why you would be a good WTPC member
    (HINT: the WTPC represent community interests. Therefore what parts/aspects/issues of the game that you are familiar with should be more relevant than any issues you personally wish to bring to the table)

Can all candidates please make sure they start their own topic/thread here: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/819-wtpc-elections/ .

Topics won't be approved unless the candidate is found to meet the guidelines and accepted (All applications will remain hidden until ~28th of November).

1. Until the 24th of November, members will have time to think and prepare their candidacy and submit it in the proper forum as an application. Not much is required here except sending a short application to the forum section linked above.

 

2. All candidates whose candidacy is valid will be accepted and represented with a specially created thread on the forum, where candidate will run his election campaign. This will start on 28th November and go on for two weeks until 9th December when voting will start.

 

3. The last stage in the election process will be voting which will start on the 10th of December and last for 3 days (how voting will be organized will be decided later).

 

4. Once the voting process is finished, the successful candidates will be officially promoted to Council members, sign the NDA and have first informal meetings. The official work of the WTPC will start approximately on the 15th December.

 

All dates are temporarily on hold

  • until 24th of November: Candidacy preparation/ application submission
  • from 25th to 27th November: Application acceptance
  • from 28th November to 9th December: Election Campaign
  • from 10th to 12th December: Voting
  • ~15th December: Council In Position

 

For those who are considering applying for candidacy here is a description of what it means to be a member of the WTPC:

The WTPC represents community interests, and works with the international team to put forward ideas and concerns from the community. It is effectively a business relationship where trust, honesty, and respect are key to maintaining communication between the community, the WTPC, and the Gaijin team. Having good communication is key in any relationship (be it business or personal), therefore it is important to keep in touch with the forums, and to be active in the WTPC private chat area. Just to clarify: this is a volunteer position, so it is not expected for anyone to put in work every, single day of the week. Communicate with the council and be clear what times you are generally available.

A candidate does not necessarily need to be familiar with all aspects of the game (air forces, ground forces, naval forces, and the game modes arcade, realistic, and simulator) , but it is best to come forward in your candidacy post and state which aspects of the game you are experienced with. Ideally the council will have a good mix of AB, RB, and SB players from both air and ground.

However with naval forces CBT imminent, this iteration of the WTPC will have a major focus on playing a role in the feedback and suggestions relating to naval forces. Therefore the community will most likely be raising more issues about this game mode for the next several months.
 

Good luck, and we wish you all good luck and success in your candidacy.
 

Feel free to ask any questions here

EDIT

For ease here is the original WTPC outline: https://forum.warthunder.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=92700

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50 minutes ago, Althix said:

mmmmmmmmmhm.

 

so what exactly wtpc member can do?

Represent the players through the different modes (or only one), that is to say:
- Back up information about the game as it is now, and how players feel about it.
- To share ideas of interest for development

 

- Be the link between the Dev's and the players

 

For that, you have to be listening to the players.

 

For me it's that.

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well, take a look here: with 215 users registered on this forum USING the forum, I see no point for any WTPC anymore, you agree ? Somehow, the team who are in charge here manage to "kill" 99% of users, seems to me. I do run a small, tinny blog about dogs and other pets, and there are MORE users then here, on this "forum". 

 

From over 50 000 active users some years ago, at some 200 now, on weekend, its a huge loss. 

  • I am surprised the devs ignore this,  the forum fall vegetal coma,  seems to me -  maybe a full change of the team in-charge , bring maybe a whole new team able to increase the peoples using this forum instead of bringing down from over 35-50 000 some years ago at a pathetic 215 now... 

 

Sincerely, its just ridiculous to bother with "WTPC election" now when are almost more mods here the users, lol. 

 

Just  my opinion, based on what I see , for months, on the bottom... 

 

 

"...

Who's Online   215 Members, 0 Anonymous, 290 Guests (See full list)"

 

 

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PantherAl (Posted )

Well, to paraphrase The Dude, that might be your opinion. But that is just your opinion. Please stay within the lines and stay on topic please without the pettiness.
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WTPC still exists?

 

BLAZEVIX FOR WTPC!

(if anyone remembers the first election ;) )

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The last WTPC could change anything important? Like the short arcade air battles with 3-5 min or the ridiculous modulegrind at Era 5?

So Gajin makes their own decisions which bring all veterans to leave the game...and of course let the new Players get depressed by mm and Balance.

 

Why we need a new council which has nothing to say?

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Taking the optimistic view, its just possible that the management has changed and/or they have looked at how a good community representation helps make other games successful and profitable. So hopefully we will have noone standing just to wreck things and a few positive people. Good luck to them. Keep expectations low but hope to be surprised.

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The WTPC would be nice, but only if it has some power and its own Dev team behind it to answer stuff the community has been asking for. I and many others get that the main dev team is too preoccupied with "make new stuff and modes," but the WTPC and it's dev or two should focus on fixing the problems of what's already here.

 

Also, I had no idea just how few users were regulars on the forums.

 

Also, I already submitted a thread answering the questions posted in the OP and yet there is still a pink background with a warning symbol on the topic. I did what the OP told me to do and the thread is still apparently not visible to anyone except myself. Why is that?

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23 hours ago, SENAdmiral said:

well, take a look here: with 215 users registered on this forum USING the forum, I see no point for any WTPC anymore, you agree ? Somehow, the team who are in charge here manage to "kill" 99%

 

 

 

The forum has around  68,000 single unique members/guest per day visit average (rounded out figure )  somewhere in that region anyway. One could argue 68k is a significant number . new user accounts registered are also up in count slightly .  But thank you for your concerns 

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7 hours ago, WlKlNGER said:

The last WTPC could change anything important? Like the short arcade air battles with 3-5 min or the ridiculous modulegrind at Era 5?

So Gajin makes their own decisions which bring all veterans to leave the game...and of course let the new Players get depressed by mm and Balance.

 

Why we need a new council which has nothing to say?

 

My understanding is that WTPC had a influence back in the day when it was 100% active. Lets not focus on that , ideally whoever and whatever happens here , its the community's point of  interest and concerns current and future that are at the head of any discussions had . other words just moving forward. 

 

Its an area of communication opened to benefit both parties , for the most part be met on a two way street , however there are going to be some topics that wont/cant/will take time to be discussed /fixed/implemented/changed/adjusted   so this has to be taken into consideration by the communiy,  its an unavoidable situation . 

 

 

New council selection from current community population that has grown and matured over the last x amount of months/year and so on.  it would be nice to see a member from every faction  of the community seated. 

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3 hours ago, Querulous1 said:

Taking the optimistic view, its just possible that the management has changed and/or they have looked at how a good community representation helps make other games successful and profitable. So hopefully we will have noone standing just to wreck things and a few positive people. Good luck to them. Keep expectations low but hope to be surprised.

 

Good Way to approach if feeling a little sceptical , and that's all we ask  if anyone is , so thank you very much for your feedback 

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3 hours ago, MH4UAstragon said:

Also, I already submitted a thread answering the questions posted in the OP and yet there is still a pink background with a warning symbol on the topic. I did what the OP told me to do and the thread is still apparently not visible to anyone except myself. Why is that?

 

My guess would be they will be reviewed between now and the 25th, but don't expect them to be approved until then.  They probably have a lot of applications to sort through.  Including both of ours ;)

 

 

 

  • until 24th of November: Candidacy preparation/ application submission
  • from 25th to 27th November: Application acceptance
  • from 28th November to 9th December: Election Campaign
  • from 10th to 12th December: Voting
  • ~15th December: Council In Position

 

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7 hours ago, MH4UAstragon said:

 

Also, I already submitted a thread answering the questions posted in the OP and yet there is still a pink background with a warning symbol on the topic. I did what the OP told me to do and the thread is still apparently not visible to anyone except myself. Why is that?


I guess I should clarify:

The applications will remain hidden until they are accepted.  Therefore things will be unhidden in about two weeks.  This is because the system from the first election wasn't ideal.  We had candidates come forward, and then have to explain somewhat publicly that they were rejected due to too many rule violations, or some other problem.  I don't think it is proper to air dirty laundry in this way.  If a candidate isn't accepted, we will let them know with an explanation, but this will be done in a private way for their sake.

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13 hours ago, WlKlNGER said:

The last WTPC could change anything important? Like the short arcade air battles with 3-5 min or the ridiculous modulegrind at Era 5?

So Gajin makes their own decisions which bring all veterans to leave the game...and of course let the new Players get depressed by mm and Balance.

 

Why we need a new council which has nothing to say?


The last WTPC didn't really get going until they were a few months into their term (if I remember correctly), then meetings stopped.  This time around everything is in place for things to get rolling, and keep rolling.

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7 hours ago, MH4UAstragon said:

The WTPC would be nice, but only if it has some power and its own Dev team behind it to answer stuff the community has been asking for. I and many others get that the main dev team is too preoccupied with "make new stuff and modes," but the WTPC and it's dev or two should focus on fixing the problems of what's already here.

 

Also, I had no idea just how few users were regulars on the forums.

 


We won't have any developer allocated to us.  The developers are hired to do the work they specialize in similar to an engineer, or some other specialist.  They weren't hired to relate with the public.  This is the misnomer that ended up being the view of the WTPC (even I thought that meetings were supposed to be with the DEVS).  Management makes the decisions about the game, and thus instruct the developers in what direction the game is going.  The WTPC will be meeting with the highest ranging Gaijin employees on the English speaking side of the company.

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6 hours ago, Hunternz said:

 

The forum has around  68,000 single unique members/guest per day visit average (rounded out figure )  somewhere in that region anyway. One could argue 68k is a significant number . new user accounts registered are also up in count slightly .  But thank you for your concerns 

 

 

"

Who's Online   87 Members, 0 Anonymous, 155 Guests (See full list)   "

 

 

You may say 6 zillions "single unique members/guest per day visit average..." ,  "somewhere in that region anyway. " :D

 

but .... why I see EVERY DAY only some dozens up to a couple hundreds users / day ? sorry but the numbers are against you: anyone can check alone on the bottom of the page your inflated "68 k " (!!!) / day.... when the own site tool report THE BIGGER number of users was 2 years ago  and was UNDER 50 k, how can you come here and slam such statement ? 

 

Why do not tell us, this time honest, HOW HIGH IS THE NR OF  REGISTERED USERS  / PER DAY ?

 

When I see a peak of 86 up to a couple hundred  , and 2 years ago the numbers where near 50 k : sorry I just add the facts. between 50 k and 200 its a HUGE difference.

 

WHO its responsible for this difference ? ..... how can, even a NEW WTPC, stop and reverse this falling number ? .... answer this question honestly , please.

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SENAdmiral, I would point out that the forum software they use has changed in the timeframe we're talking about, and may well be showing a different number on the bottom. Perhaps the previous software showed amount of members/guests logged in or otherwise browsing the forum within the last 24 hours or something. In other words the numbers may not be comparable.

 

As an "all time high" stat, 50k+ users logged in on the forums at the same time sounds highly improbable. Or at least it sounds like a logistical impossibility to me, given the size of the player community and the capacity of normal grade forum servers.

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Agree, the "50 k" number its just a nice story. I also believe never this forum get a peak of 50 k users / day, not even on best days (when players numbers reach some 100k) considering less then 9% or 10% players actually use this forum. (10% of 100k = 10 k best case scenario, right ? ) 

 

A reason more to laugh at the " The forum has around  68,000 single unique members/guest per day visit average .." statement from this dude , here.

 

I bet the actual tool count the peoples IP.s using the forum on that precise moment, and the numbers are from some dozens to a couple or more hundreds .

And I am sure are far less peoples then 3 years ago. 

 

And honestly, I doubt a new WTPC can change something if the devs top management do not involve in a bi-directional communication. I know , are economical decisions who most of times come against players wishes, but a bit transparency con help us to understand "why".

 

For example, I wish some to explain me why the devs allow such a game breaking vehicle to support  the idea of "russian bias" - TU4 , I am looking at you ! - and why the devs thinks are an positive thing "3 minutes games" ?

 

WTPC have ever pointed out to the devs how badly unbalanced are this plane ? And If so, why nothing changed ? How one can play an Arcade game, lets say, when 9 of 10 players in a team starts in TU4.s ?

 

Why we can kill a tank in a 1 sec burst but a TU4 can "eat" belt after belt of quad 30mm ?  its ridiculous, and become ridiculous to wait on queue 5 min for a 3 min game ....

 

I cant say I have any hope in a new WTPC. .... I see to few reasons for that... attention, I do NOT blame the WTPL members, I know most of them, are great peoples - but lets face-it : the WTPL was never intended to play a significant role...

 

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8 hours ago, Hunternz said:

 

My understanding is that WTPC had a influence back in the day when it was 100% active. Lets not focus on that , ideally whoever and whatever happens here , its the community's point of  interest and concerns current and future that are at the head of any discussions had . other words just moving forward. 

 

Its an area of communication opened to benefit both parties , for the most part be met on a two way street , however there are going to be some topics that wont/cant/will take time to be discussed /fixed/implemented/changed/adjusted   so this has to be taken into consideration by the communiy,  its an unavoidable situation . 

 

 

New council selection from current community population that has grown and matured over the last x amount of months/year and so on.  it would be nice to see a member from every faction  of the community seated. 


Whoa whoa whoa, hold on here.

WTPC never had any influence back in the day. The WTPC on the russian forums have influence, but not the International one.
Also, there is very little communication between the International staff team, and Russian staff team. Let alone the player council and devs.

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15 minutes ago, weetle said:


Whoa whoa whoa, hold on here.

WTPC never had any influence back in the day. The WTPC on the russian forums have influence, but not the International one.
Also, there is very little communication between the International staff team, and Russian staff team. Let alone the player council and devs.

 

Admittedly i don't know full details of the past , and tbh i would rather keep my head pointed towards the future endeavors. Communication between the two factions (better words escape me right now)  are to my knowledge fine 

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3 hours ago, SENAdmiral said:

 

 

 

 

It's almost like you're purposely derailing the positive momentum this topic should have, i will indulge you one last time i spose. The "who's Online " you keep referring to changes , let's keep the number static lets say ok at 100,  out of that 100 3 leave the forum , but at the same time 2 arrive at the forum and the number changes to 99. What you see is it drops by one , when in reality that's not the full story. This is just one scenario  you are currently not taking into consideration among others. But again this is not the place nor time for said discussion but thanks for your time   

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The last one from what I understand didn't go too well as I didn't hear much about it. However, if Gaijin has been paying close attention to other games lately (in like the past year or shorter), the community has helped shape a game very well. For example, The Division was in very rough shape since launch, but recently was brought into a pretty good spot simply because the devs and the community were able to work together to make it better. IMO War Thunder has been rough since about the beginning of this year which is when I stopped playing it every day for a few hours with friends because it just wasn't what it used to be. I'm really hoping that Gaijin takes WTPC a lot more seriously and is serious about building a much better relationship with the community to bring this game to the potential that it holds.

 

I'm pretty pessimistic about stuff, because of stuff that happened in my life and other such reasons, so my pessimistic view doesn't have much hope that this will do anything but a sliver of me is hoping that the "new" WTPC will bring good changes.

 

Also, for personal interest, what would it take to be a member and what is expected of those applying? I know there is 2 paragraphs about what it means to be WTPC, but what I'm wondering is what will be expected of the candidates, like does there need to be travel at all?, does there need to be certain education requirements or something?, what exactly does a WTPC member do? My more important question may seem very offensive but I legit am curious, if the WTPC members are going to be influenced in any way to have certain views that agree with Gaijin, or be biased in favor of their views? If the WTPC is to have any impact and influence into the direction of the game and community/dev relations, it needs to be open to any opinions, negative or positive, otherwise the WTPC would be just a bunch of "Yes Men". 

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Sounds like a good list of points

Lets hope this game can indeed be helped by using its players well

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On 11/13/2016 at 5:25 PM, SENAdmiral said:

well, take a look here: with 215 users registered on this forum USING the forum, I see no point for any WTPC anymore, you agree ? Somehow, the team who are in charge here manage to "kill" 99% of users, seems to me. I do run a small, tinny blog about dogs and other pets, and there are MORE users then here, on this "forum". 

 

From over 50 000 active users some years ago, at some 200 now, on weekend, its a huge loss. 

  • I am surprised the devs ignore this,  the forum fall vegetal coma,  seems to me -  maybe a full change of the team in-charge , bring maybe a whole new team able to increase the peoples using this forum instead of bringing down from over 35-50 000 some years ago at a pathetic 215 now... 

 

Sincerely, its just ridiculous to bother with "WTPC election" now when are almost more mods here the users, lol. 

 

Just  my opinion, based on what I see , for months, on the bottom... 

 

 

"...

Who's Online   215 Members, 0 Anonymous, 290 Guests (See full list)"

 

 

I agree completely, I am a player, I have been playing for nearly 3 years in between rage quits...Why is this wtpc going to be any more effective the the others???...Why would I want to support this???...Where is the input from the devs about how this wtpc will not just be another student council that we all had in 7th grade...Those are my questions to start with...

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23 hours ago, Querulous1 said:

Taking the optimistic view, its just possible that the management has changed and/or they have looked at how a good community representation helps make other games successful and profitable. So hopefully we will have noone standing just to wreck things and a few positive people. Good luck to them. Keep expectations low but hope to be surprised.

If management i.e. 'the devs" really cared about this, they would have made the announcement to all the "Dear Players", and would have done it system wide...You know, kind of like when you decide to run for president, you don't have one of your employees send an email to the local newspaper...

 

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Its not for president, its for a technical advisor or something more obscure than that, to the president .... so its likely that they only want people who are deep enough in the community to notice this is happening here. Understanding what is in the managements mind is always obscure in this game anyway. Thats one of the things a WTPC could help with.

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