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Ship Tree Speculation

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1 minute ago, Mercedes4321 said:

I think you are the most pessimistic person I have seen on this issue so far. You act like a decree from God has come down and told the world that ships larger than Gunboats won't happen no matter what and everyone should just stop trying. Calm down, it is nowhere near as set in stone as you make it out to be.

 

yep if the powers at be think they can make money from large ships then we will see large ships at some point.

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Are you new here?

 

People have been explaining en détail why BRs are broken. Gaijin didn't listen.

People pulled up the Stuka D-5s pilot manual to prove it had dive brakes. Gaijin didn't listen.

Gaijin themselves cited sources that stated the Bf 109 F-4 had 20mm pods. Gaijin didn't listen.

and so on

and so on

 

They will not implement ships no matter what you do. Get over it.

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3 minutes ago, Umbriellan said:

 

1- did you play the naval-game as it is yet ?

2- do you know how many little ship there is ?

3- do you know that 3/4 of the naval battle were using these little ships ?

4- will you ever accept to play the little cheep when everyone will take his Yamato (equiped with only 105 guns able to shoot you on his side - all able to OS you, some able to splash damage you enough to still be OSed) ?

All I know is that boats are not going to satisfy me, no matter are there 1000 different models or 10 models of them... Its laughable to think that players would be satisfied with boat warfare when I dare say 90% have been waiting for the actual ships to come out... I've nothing against adding the boats, but if that's all we are gonna get from naval battles that's literally pathetic... But I doubt Gaijin will ignore the financial profits that are awaiting them if and when they are going to release the actual ships... Money has the final say at the end.

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2 minutes ago, kamuka said:

Are you new here?

 

People have been explaining en détail why BRs are broken. Gaijin didn't listen.

People pulled up the Stuka D-5s pilot manual to prove it had dive brakes. Gaijin didn't listen.

Gaijin themselves cited sources that stated the Bf 109 F-4 had 20mm pods. Gaijin didn't listen.

and so on

and so on

 

They will not implement ships no matter what you do. Get over it.

 

.......I have read your comment and have chosen to ignore it........:good:

 

oh and Gaijin do listen they just don't seem to admit to it much remember last man standing in GF or people moaning about the Conquerors turret lacking armor...........Gaijin listened......eventually. 

 

2 minutes ago, Dex4Sure said:

All I know is that boats are not going to satisfy me, no matter are there 1000 different models or 10 models of them... Its laughable to think that players would be satisfied with boat warfare when I dare say 90% have been waiting for the actual ships to come out... I've nothing against adding the boats, but if that's all we are gonna get from naval battles that's literally pathetic... But I doubt Gaijin will ignore the financial profits that are awaiting them if and when they are going to release the actual ships... Money has the final say at the end.

 

indeed money talks just look at all the possible premiums they could do.

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7 minutes ago, kamuka said:

Are you new here?

 

People have been explaining en détail why BRs are broken. Gaijin didn't listen.

People pulled up the Stuka D-5s pilot manual to prove it had dive brakes. Gaijin didn't listen.

Gaijin themselves cited sources that stated the Bf 109 F-4 had 20mm pods. Gaijin didn't listen.

and so on

and so on

 

They will not implement ships no matter what you do. Get over it.

Gaijin also confirmed long ago that no tanks past Korean era will be released into the game. Now we have post Vietnam era tanks... They have changed their minds before, don't see why would they not do it again. Get over your pessimism and defeatist attitude.

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1 minute ago, Dex4Sure said:

Gaijin also confirmed long ago that no tanks past Korean era will be released into the game. Now we have post Vietnam era tanks... They have changed their minds before, don't see why would they not do it again. Get over your pessimism and defeatist attitude.

 

they also said we would not have ATGM tanks...........take a guess at what is currently wrecking tier 5 ground battles.........yep an ATGM tank....... ;)

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I'd say this would be a decent ship for the Preorder premiums when the larger ships eventually come, the Gunboat USS Erie.

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Just now, SqnLdrAhsokaTano said:

I'd say this would be a decent ship for the Preorder premiums when the larger ships eventually come, the Gunboat USS Erie.

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Even a small destroyer would be 50 times the size of a PT boat and engage at 10 times the range. Adding it would not be equal to adding some MBT that still fundamentally does the same thing as a Tiger. It would be like adding a Landkreuzer Ratte to tanks. Do you seriously think that is a possibility? Or that Gaijin will make two seperate naval modes?

 

You can not possibly be that naive.

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1 minute ago, kamuka said:

Even a small destroyer would be 50 times the size of a PT boat and engage at 10 times the range. Adding it would not be equal to adding some MBT that still fundamentally does the same thing as a Tiger. It would be like adding a Landkreuzer Ratte to tanks. Do you seriously think that is a possibility? Or that Gaijin will make two seperate naval modes?

 

You can not possibly be that naive.

They did say that if they gave player control to these vehicles they would have their own gamemode, so basically yes.

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3 minutes ago, kamuka said:

Even a small destroyer would be 50 times the size of a PT boat and engage at 10 times the range. Adding it would not be equal to adding some MBT that still fundamentally does the same thing as a Tiger. It would be like adding a Landkreuzer Ratte to tanks. Do you seriously think that is a possibility? Or that Gaijin will make two seperate naval modes?

 

You can not possibly be that naive.

 

your not getting the point are you??

 

People want large ships not small little MBT's ect

 

personally if we only get MBT's and nothing else and the dev's confirm that then I will not be using them.

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2 minutes ago, kamuka said:

Even a small destroyer would be 50 times the size of a PT boat and engage at 10 times the range. Adding it would not be equal to adding some MBT that still fundamentally does the same thing as a Tiger. It would be like adding a Landkreuzer Ratte to tanks. Do you seriously think that is a possibility? Or that Gaijin will make two seperate naval modes?

 

You can not possibly be that naive.

Can you keep your pessimism and defeatism out of this serious discussion please? It's quite obvious you got nothing real to add other than derailing the thread.

Just now, Ghost_Rider12 said:

as for desperate game modes who knows maybe???

Yeah, Yamato vs 100's of aircraft, kinda desperate game modes.

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8 minutes ago, SqnLdrAhsokaTano said:

 

Yeah, Yamato vs 100's of aircraft, kinda desperate game modes.

 

:blush: woops not to worry though edited that one out :D

 

been reading this its quite amusing in some respects.

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/58837-anyone-concerned-about-war-thunder-naval-battles/

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If they had them they had them, if they didn't they didn't.

 

I think Germany has enough Battleships/Battlecruisers (I want Scharnhorst/Gneisenau!) to warrant their inclusion, and despite never being fully operational, the Carrier Graf Zeppelin should suffice for Germany. There were also several attempted conversions, but none of them were even close to finishing if I remember correctly. Italy even has two sister ships, Aquila and Sparviero, whose fates were similar (to the Graf Zeppelin). France has the aircraft carrier Béarn (though obsolescent) and seaplane carrier Commandant Teste.

 

And while I don't expect to play carriers (as badly as I want to be at the helm of one), I still hope they will be important to gameplay and that each vessel be included in some form. Sailing in a Carrier task force and coming to their aid in an air defense mission (Air and Naval battle) would be absolutely amazing. They would act as bases player-controlled planes can take off and land from just as they do in Air RB. Also in Naval or Naval and Air RB, I'd love to be able to send out an AI scout plane from my Cruiser to seek out enemy ships on the open seas. Some Naval and Ground battles would be nice, too, though it would be incredibly unbalanced ships-wise (you know, when Prinz Eugen decimated an entire Soviet armored brigade). I'd expect that to be where boats really come in, and not ships...

 

In terms of organization, from what I've gathered tiers are usually used to organize (in this case) vessels by chronological continuity and the battle ratings are supposed to balance them out (whether it achieves that is debatable). I'd go by ship type (before Boats I was thinking Destroyers, Light Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers, Battleships, and Carriers) and include special types underneath a larger similar group, such as Destroyer Escorts and Torpedo Boats under Destroyers, Battlecruisers under Battleships, Seaplane Tenders under Carriers, and so on. I have some light notes and an example of this done with Japanese Carriers (though I excluded Seaplane Carriers) if anyone is interested.

 

An inferesting fact, by the way. When we think of Carriers in action we envision long-distance engagements where fleets are not in sight of each other. That began with the Battle of the Coral Sea in early May 1942. However, only a month earlier during the Indian Ocean raid the light carrier Ryūjō used both its planes and guns against enemy commerce according to its TROM (Tabular Record of Movement):

 

6 April 1942

[...] CHOKAI opened gunfire at 0933 against targets in sequence; assisted by YURA and YUGIRI and even RYUJO's guns (Survivors of TAKSANG, GANGES, and BIENVILLE all mention the carrier using her guns, so this seems to be true. It is known she continued to operate directly in the midst of the column and that the fleet moved into high-angle gun range and used them, so likely RYUJO did as well. Her planes also attacked these same three ships.) Together they apparently accounted for the American SELMA CITY (5,686 tons) and BIENVILLE (5,491 tons); the British GANGES (6,246 tons) and TAKSANG (3,471 tons), and the Dutch BAJOEWANGI (1,279 tons) and motor ship BATAVIA (1,279 tons).

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3 hours ago, Ghost_Rider12 said:

 

they also said we would not have ATGM tanks...........take a guess at what is currently wrecking tier 5 ground battles.........yep an ATGM tank....... ;)

again somebody who does not read stuff carefully and then spreads missinformations...

 

Gaijin never said "NO ATGMS"

they just said: "NO AIR TO AIR MISSILES" and " NO FIRE AND FORGET WEAPONS"

 

they even "semi" confirmed ATGMs in one of the FAQ they had in the past before ATGMs that they are working on a US T5 light tank and consider taking the M551 for that.

so pls stop telling this wrong statement.

(I could provide a link but im WAY too lazy to search this said FaQ)

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6 hours ago, kamuka said:

Uhm, why are you speculating about Battleships, when we will only get boats?

 

German tree:

E-boats

R-boats

did I forget anything?

 

Type 23 torpedo boat

Type 24 torpedo boat

Type 35 torpedo boat

Type 37 torpedo boat

Type 39 torpedo boat

Type 41 torpedo boat

Torpedo boat Ausland

VP-Boats

Gunboats

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6 hours ago, Mowie said:

 

Type 23 torpedo boat

Type 24 torpedo boat

Type 35 torpedo boat

Type 37 torpedo boat

Type 39 torpedo boat

Type 41 torpedo boat

Torpedo boat Ausland

 

Way too big. Those are basically small destroyer with the ability to fight at 10km+

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1 hour ago, kamuka said:

 

Way too big. Those are basically small destroyer with the ability to fight at 10km+

 

Technically they are Covettes and they have said ships smaller then a Destroyer which these are so they could be included.

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2 minutes ago, arczer25 said:

better than UK in anti ship combat, but AA? what AA?

Err.. Sorry but you need to educate yourself on UK Warships.

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4 minutes ago, SqnLdrAhsokaTano said:

Err.. Sorry but you need to educate yourself on UK Warships.

UK guns have low performance for WW2 era.

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1 minute ago, SqnLdrAhsokaTano said:

Really? Cause history seems to say otherwise.

history says that they tried and tried to sink Bismarck but finally Bismarck crew self-destruct ship.

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