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Ship Tree Speculation

Hello, this is the ship tree speculation thread, carried on from the other thread we are currently derailing.

 

Here we will talk about ships we want to see that served during and after World War 2 and those designs that were drawn up but never built during the course of this period, such as the Montana and German H-Series Battleships. It's also an attempt to help find ideas on how to properly build Tech Trees with all classes of ships, including Aircraft Carriers which I doubt will be playable in game.

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Thank you ! and pinned o7

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Well we first have to define what sort of performance we think would be good enough for each class to have as a baseline for each tier before we start discussing what vehicles fit where. Once that is figured out it shouldn't be too hard to start filling in the tree.

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if we ever get big ships and include WWIs (overall maybe a necessasity because most navies continued to use their WWI ships long enough but e.g. germany COULDNT, therefore they would need to flesh out their capitals with Bayern, Derfflinger etc. VS QEs and so on) i see the possibility for atleast the german Battlecruisers of the Mackensen-class to also be included.. if we'd get BBs and BCs seperated than the german BCs will need the Mackensen to close the gap between Derffligner and the WWII BC designs... because the Scharnhorst is a full blooded BB... it's 28s were comparable to the british 15" guns

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Just now, Mercedes4321 said:

Well we first have to define what sort of performance we think would be good enough for each class to have as a baseline for each tier before we start discussing what vehicles fit where. Once that is figured out it shouldn't be too hard to start filling in the tree.

Personally I think that we should stray away completely from historical tiering. Even the best dd in 1945 could still be dominated by an older BB 

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I would like to see Project 24 as the end game Soviet BB.

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Yamato, Montana, H41 or H42 (hard to tell), British are bit in bad situation while Russians have high mix of paper and normal ships.

3 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

I would like to see Project 24 as the end game Soviet BB.

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checked it guns the same problem as UK bad performance. 406mm at 13.6km, bit bad  this is the official estimate  "Encyclopedia of Russian Artillery." 

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I've said it before, I'll say it again, the Soviet tech tree would likely need to have some antiques from the Imperial Russian fleet if big ships are to come.Although in order to fill out much of the tech tree I think other nations would likely follow suite, with ships like the Connecticut class making debut as a early battleship.

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3 minutes ago, arczer25 said:

Yamato, Montana, H41 or H42 (hard to tell), British are bit in bad situation while Russians have high mix of paper and normal ships.

checked it guns the same problem as UK bad performance.

It could be given 457-mm guns, if need be.

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1 minute ago, Pappina said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again, the Soviet tech tree would likely need to have some antiques from the Imperial Russian fleet if big ships are to come.Although in order to fill out much of the tech tree I think other nations would likely follow suite, with ships like the Connecticut class making debut as a early battleship.

hey i wouldnt midn bringing in the König and Bayern before the Scharnhorst and the SMS Derfflinger and Mackensen

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2 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

It could be given 457-mm guns, if need be.

only 406mm had any testing, better would be ordered German 38cm SK C/34

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We could also bring in Dreadnought for reasons such as "how cool this ship performed in Jutl....."

 

And she looks cool, might be suitable for Tier 1.

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Uhm, why are you speculating about Battleships, when we will only get boats?

 

German tree:

E-boats

R-boats

did I forget anything?

 

Brits:

MTBs, MGBs, Fairmiles, ...

 

and so on

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1 minute ago, SqnLdrAhsokaTano said:

We could also bring in Dreadnought for reasons such as "how cool this ship performed in Jutl....."

 

And she looks cool, might be suitable for Tier 1.

 

the british BCs memorable thing was to lead to Beatty saying "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"... the Seydlitz on the other hand :D i wonder if WWI british ships should get their really bad shells... that either exploded on contact or ovepenetrated

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Hi !

Talking only about the branches ~~

 

They said they have units for all the main nations (aka: all nations already in-game) and from the era 1 to 5 with the "little ship".

+ like in the CBT-GF's packs, the units were only era 2 units (Herman the german sherman + T-34 proto with searchlight) - we could say it will be the same thing here with the Navy Forces.

 

My thinking on the closest branches we will have:

era 1 to era 3/4 => Coastal Forces (torpedos boats)

era 4/5 => Attack boat

 

It will be rare to have "torpedo boat" in the end-tiers, except if many nations are specialized in such class as the russian:

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TK-501 - 1949

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TK-75 - 1962 (doing 73knots !)

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To complete my speaking with an other exemple: the last Torpedo Boat of the USA is a good Tiers-4 (to me)

=> the PT-812 from 1951 (speed: 38,2 knots)

2x 40mm + 2x twin-20mm + 81mm mortar (if added) + 4x torps (572mm) + mines

OR 1x 40mm + 2x twin-20mm + rocket-launcher + 81mm mortar + 4x torps & mines.

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PT-812_img.jpg

 

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2 minutes ago, kamuka said:

Uhm, why are you speculating about Battleships, when we will only get boats?

 

German tree:

E-boats

R-boats

did I forget anything?

 

Brits:

MTBs, MGBs, Fairmiles, ...

 

and so on

We are only getting Boats for the time being, with larger ships being worked on per size.

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5 minutes ago, kamuka said:

Uhm, why are you speculating about Battleships, when we will only get boats?

 

German tree:

E-boats

R-boats

did I forget anything?

 

Brits:

MTBs, MGBs, Fairmiles, ...

 

and so on

Most of us are anti-boatthunder, and want our big capital ship.

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Personally, I think that each tree will start out with two lines from teirs 1-3: a riverine assault line, and a torpedo boat line, accompanied by heavier ships such as submarine chasers and corvettes. At tiers 4-5, you'll have destroyers, destroyer escorts and light cruisers. eg: Tenryuu class (destroyer leader/light cruiser), mutsuki class (destroyer/fast transport), and so on. I do not expect battleships to be in the game, primary for the reason of "soviet union cannot into battleships" and carriers for the reason that "germany cannot into carriers."

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and why i semi-defend the H-42: as far as i remember Azumazi once said that germany would need this to stand up to the Yamaot... while THEORETICALLY not a problem because both are Axis... fi we get any kind of mixed MM in RB OR have it that the MM decides that only one side can have a Yamato in an Arcade match.. and the other side doesnt have a Monti or so... and germany brings in H-39 or H-41 (whcih should be the minimum to go as tier X)... well... i can see problems...

 

overall i must say that i'd prefer not to see playable Carriers... simple reason: one idiot in a carrier can ruin the game even more than one idiot in a BB... especially IF PLAYER controled planes use the carrier... he could easily troll them by maneurving the whole time to make it nearly impossible for them to land n stuff.. i see far to many problems here

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2 minutes ago, Nomad_Gaming said:

Personally, I think that each tree will start out with two lines from teirs 1-3: a riverine assault line, and a torpedo boat line, accompanied by heavier ships such as submarine chasers and corvettes. At tiers 4-5, you'll have destroyers, destroyer escorts and light cruisers. eg: Tenryuu class (destroyer leader/light cruiser), mutsuki class (destroyer/fast transport), and so on. I do not expect battleships to be in the game, primary for the reason of "soviet union cannot into battleships" and carriers for the reason that "germany cannot into carriers."

Carriers I don't think will be in the game for the reason of terrible plane AI.

 

And the Soviet Union can into Battleships, just mostly captured Italian Battleships. Japan actually suffers the same problem in terms of Jet's.

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16 minutes ago, Nomad_Gaming said:

Personally, I think that each tree will start out with two lines from teirs 1-3: a riverine assault line, and a torpedo boat line, accompanied by heavier ships such as submarine chasers and corvettes. At tiers 4-5, you'll have destroyers, destroyer escorts and light cruisers. eg: Tenryuu class (destroyer leader/light cruiser), mutsuki class (destroyer/fast transport), and so on. I do not expect battleships to be in the game, primary for the reason of "soviet union cannot into battleships" and carriers for the reason that "germany cannot into carriers."

I never understood the necessity of every nations should have equal lineups. WTF. NO.

If USSR or the Nazy Germany didn't have enough/any CV/BB then their lineup as a Navy won't have any either. Done. Case closed. This is just so ridiculous that it is a valid argument because of some nations didn't have that kind of ship, then the rest shouldn't have either.

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1 minute ago, SqnLdrAhsokaTano said:

Carriers I don't think will be in the game for the reason of terrible plane AI.

plane AI isn't that terrible and in AI vs AI combat it won't matter that much, bomber are bit to accurate but that other thing.

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2 minutes ago, Maze94 said:

I never understood the necessity that every nations should have equal lineups. WTF. NO.

If USSR or the Nazy Germany didn't have enough/any CV/BB then they lineup as a Navy won't have any. Done. Case closed. This i just so ridiculous that it is a valid argument that because that nation didn't have that kind of ship, then the rest shouldn't have either.

NO GERMAN BBs? NUTS? who wouldnt like to sink the Hood with the Bismark? :P And it's HERESY i say not to include the best looking ship of all, the German Battleship Scharnhorst!... Just include refitted Königs and bayerns and done... then include SMS Derfflinger and Mackensen, ersatz Yorck and O-Class so you'd have a 4 ship BC line... maybe Seydlitz as the lowest

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9 minutes ago, Maze94 said:

I never understood the necessity that every nations should have equal lineups. WTF. NO.

If USSR or the Nazy Germany didn't have enough/any CV/BB then they lineup as a Navy won't have any. Done. Case closed. This i just so ridiculous that it is a valid argument that because that nation didn't have that kind of ship, then the rest shouldn't have either.

I agree, there is nothing that states that all nations have to be equal on everything (this in fact practically impossible). The Germans should have enough BBs to make a line though.

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2 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

I agree, there is nothing that states that all nations have to be equal on everything (this in fact practically impossible).

small problem: if CVs get playable and we have maps where one side DOENST have an airfield while the other needs CVs...and one ofc those nations is germany.. they either wont be able to rearm etc. or wont have any planes... see the problems?

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