Chapter 2: Naval Warefare at the Aerial Warefare theatre.

 

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Seaplanes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaplane

, i.e. the larger Flying boats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_boat

and the smaller Floatplanes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floatplane

You may land on airfields and on water.

Gaijin's calls such planes "flying boats",

 

So there are:

 

The US airplanes

PBY-5 Catalina

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=PBY-5Catalina

Acceptable speed when touching the water: 200 km/h

I am unable to change my direction when I am in the water ( by propulsion, at the start operation ) :-(

 

PBY-5a Catalina

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=PBY-5a_Catalina

You may land on airfields and on water

 

OS2U-1 Kingfisher, Rank1 - As of 2016-08, it is not available in the WT Tech Tree :-(

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=OS2U-1Kingfisher

 

OS2U-3 Kingfisher, Rank1 - As of 2016-08, it is not available in the WT Tech Tree :-(

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=OS2U-3Kingfisher

 

the UK airplane

Sunderland Mk IIIa

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Sunderland_Mk.IIIa

http://warthunder.com/en/devblog/current/874/

 

the Japanese airplanes

F1M2

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=F1M2

You may land both on water and on airfields.Might land on aircraft carrriers, according to Wiki. I don´t see aircraft carriers on BP1.3 battlefields...

Pressing "G" causes the error message "No gear control", while there are flaps "F" for landing

Acceptable speed when touching the water: 70 km/h, not 150  km/h

I am able to change my direction when I am in the water ( by propulsion, at the start operation ) :-)

 

H6K4

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=H6K4

 

H8K2

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=H8K2

 

A6M2-N

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=A6M2-N

Acceptable speed when touching the water: 70 km/h, not 150  km/h

 

the German airplane

 

He 51 B-2/Hydroplane - As of 2016-08, it is not available in the WT Tech Tree :-(

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=He_51_B-2/Hydroplane

 

the Russian airplane

 

MBR-2

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=MBR-2

http://warthunder.com/en/devblog/current/887/  - The flying boat will be added to the game in War Thunder update 1.57 Battle March"

According to

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Category:USSR_air_forces

it is a "gift vehicle"

 

and two premium airplanes ( "Catalina PYB5-A" for USSR/Russia, "Catalina IVa" for UK )

 

You may land safely on lakes and rivers :-), and start again.

For large flying boats, your airspeed should be 150 km/h or less, when your airplane touches the water for the first time.

For small floatplanes, your airspeed should be 70-80 km/h, when your airplane touches the water for the first time.

 

Remember, water is no airfield, so don´t press "G" to lift down the aircraft's gear (  aircraft undercarriage ) ! Setting flaps ( "F" ) for landing might be ok, but the PBY-5 & BPY-5a don´t have such.

- On the other hand, the large flying boats and smaller floatplanes should be able to land on an airfield. Now at "Saipan",  I was able to land on the Pacific Ocean and swimming by air propeller propulsion to the beach, but then the "G" function didn´t work, so I was unable to roll from the beach water onto the sand beach.. I was unable to move like a boat....

- With the friendly blue airfield, I may land with gear-down "G", but if I look at the airplane, there are no wheels ( in opposite to the rendered display in the hangar ). So how could the airplane then safely roll on the airfield ?! After a repair and re-ammunition on the friendly blue airfield, WT fades out and fades in the display, and I am already in the air with my airplane...

 

In opposite, normal airplanes may just land safely and start again on the own homebase airfield.

Though you might land on the red enemy airfield, then you must respawn, by the message "Enemy landed on your airfield and surrendered" sent to every member of the red team .

If you try to land somewhere else, usually the WT system handles this as "Crash", e.g. the propeller get broken, and you must respawn.


a) 

Aerial Warefare battleground for BP 2.0, 2.3, 2.7, known to have a lake, river or ocean to land on the water:

 

1. Khalkhin Gol ( name of a river, USSR vs. Japan pre-WWII conflict ) - A large lake, a medium-size lake and some small lakes

Successful landing on the large lake & take-off!

Successful landing on the medium-size lake. With large flying boats ( e.g. "PBY-5a Catalina", "H6K4" ), I was unable to start, though the airplane was intact ( no "Crash" landing ). With small floatplanes ( "A6M2-N" ) I was able to start, successfully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

2.

2a. Berlin suburbs - Lake "Wannsee"

Successful landing on the lake "Wannsee" & take-off!

It's difficult to land on the slim river(s), I often crash  when I try!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee

2b. Berlin ( = Berlin-Rangsdorf, with airport "Flugplatz Rangsdorf", which was in use1936-1994 ). There is a big lake "Rangsdorfer See". It should be possible to land and take-off on the lake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangsdorf

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangsdorfer_See

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugplatz_Rangsdorf

3. Cliffed coast ( at unknown location ) - Unknown ocean sea

Successful landing & take-off!

4. England / UK / Great Britain

4a. Foggy Albion ( South England / UK ) - North Sea

Successful landing on the North Sea ( next to "Dyrnchurch" ) & take-off!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymchurch

4b. Britain ( BR2.7, next to Ramsgate ) - North Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsgate

4c. Britain ( BR2.7, Dover ) - North Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover

5. Saipan - Pacific Ocean.

Successful landing on the Pacific Ocean & take-off!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saipan

5. Spain ( unknown location, but definitely on the waterside to the  Mediterranean Sea, near the French boarder, "in memory of the Spanish Civil War" ) - Mediterranean Sea

Successful landing on the Mediterranean Sea & take-off!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War

6. Sicily

6a. Mediterranean Island ( the Italian island Sicily, next to the town Catania ) - some slim rivers and the Mediterranean Sea.

It's difficult to land on the slim rivers, I often crash  when I try!

Successful landing on the Mediterranean Sea & take-off!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catania

6.b Sicily ( the Italian island Sicily, next to the towns Palagonia , Lentini, Gerbini  - 2 slim rivers and a lake

The battlefield refers to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerbini_Airfield

7. Alpine Meadows ( at unknown location, might be the Alps, i.e. an unknown location in France(!), Austria(!), Italy(!), Germany(?), Switzerland(No!) ) - Water reservoir at the east ( left ) side of the battlefield

Successful landing on the water reservoir & take-off!

8. Stalingrad ( USSR )

8.1 "Stalingrad" ( = Stalingrad at Summer ) - The large river "Wolga", some slim dead ends of this river - domain specific word might be "meander" -, plus some other slim rivers sourcing on the battleground.

It's difficult to land on the slim rivers, I often crash  when I try! I successfully landed at a wide section of a river next to "Krasny Pakhar", but.. I crashed at take-off, as I was unable to change the direction of my airplane according to the riverbed during the start phase :-(. So landing & starting on slim rivers is tricky....

Successful landing on the large river "Wolga" & take-off!

8.2 "Stalingrad. Winter"

The large river "Wolga" and all other small rivers are frozen.

Successful landing on the large river "Wolga" & take-off, with standard planes with gear :-).

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Stalingrad

8.3 "Great River" ( battlefield next to Stalingrad ) - The large river "Wolga"

9. African canyon ( at unknown location ) - 2 slim rivers in a deep canyon ( i.e. surrounded by high mountains ) and an unkown ocean sea in the East.

Successful landing and take-off  with small floatplanes on the ocean in the East, the water food of one of the rivers to the ocean in the East, and on even parts of the river in the South.

You may try to land on the Ocean sea at the east ( left ) side of the battlefield, but you are warned "Return to the Battlefield", and by magic if you don´t obey, WT does a fade-out and fade-in, you are reset to a flight position  within the battlefield - and not killed as with Ground Warefare :-). I did not yet succeed, but it should be possible to land on the Ocean!

10. Gorge ( at unknown location in a rock area, e.g. the "Alps", a Winter theme, alternative english word for "Canyon"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyon

, BP2.7) . There is a slim river in a deep canyon.

It's difficult to land on the slim rivers. I crashed when I tried to land on one of it!

11. Rice Terraces ( at unknown location, probably in Asia. BP2.7 ) - A  slim river, a big lake and a smaller lake. An ocean ( e.g. Pacific Ocean ) is at the edge of the battleground.

It's difficult to land on the slim river. It is possible to land on the 2 lakes and to start successfully again. It should be possible to land and take-off on the ocean.

12. Peleliu, BR 2.7 - The Pacific Ocean. You may land and start on the ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peleliu

in memory of the Battle of Peleiu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu

)

13. Krymsk, BR 2.7

A very-small lake in the South. I succeeded to land with a small floatplane ( A6M2-N ), but crashed at take-off.

A big lake in the North, the "Black Sea" ocean in the South. Successful landing & take-off on the lake, with small floatplanes. The "Black Sea" is suitable for large flying boats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymsk

14. Korsun, BR2.7 - 2 rivers, at some locations wide enough to land with small floatplanes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korsun-Shevchenkivskyi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horodyshche

in memory of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Korsun–Cherkassy_Pocket

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper–Carpathian_Offensive

15. Kursk, BR 2.7 - Some slim rivers, on long slim river with more wide riverbed in the South, suitable for landing.

Successful landing & take-off!

15a. Location next to Pokrovka, Bol'shie Mayachki, Yokovlevo, BP2.7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokrovka,_Russia#Kursk_Oblast

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_Oblast

15b. Location next to Horodysche, BP2.7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horodyshche

in memory of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

16. "Top of the World" ( BP2.7, at unknown location in a mountain area, e.g. the Alps or the Himalaja ?!, a Winter theme )
 - There is a large lake in the South, suitable for landing

- Sometimes there are large cargo ships on the lake

17. Caucasus & Mozdok

17a. Mozdok (BP2.7, next to the towns & villages "Elin-Url", "Znamenskoe", "Laha-Nevre", which are in the East of the town "Mozdok" )- A large river "Terek"

Successful landing & take-off with small floatplanes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Znamenskoye,_Chechen_Republic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozdok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terek_River

17b Caucasus (BP2.7, next to the towns & villages  . The towns & villages "Malgobek", "Karabulak", "Nazran", "Ordzhonikidzevskaya" and "Nesterovskaya", while the towns & villages "Elin-Url", "Znamenskoe" are at the edge of the maps, with its large river "Terek".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malgobek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabulak,_Republic_of_Ingushetia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazran

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordzhonikidzevskaya

http://www.tripmondo.com/russia/ingushetiya/nesterovskaya/
18. Green Ridge ( BP2.7, unknown location in mountain terrain. Another English word for "ridge" is "mountain back" ) - There is a large lake, with destroyer ships.

There is a location in USA with this name, but which doesn´t fit ( no lake... )

19. Western Europe ( BP2.7, Ruhr area - Duisburg, Essen, Bochum, Gelsenkirchen, Essen-Mühlheim Airport ) - river "Ruhr", lake "Baldeneysee", slim but even channel "Rhine-Herne Canal". Successful landing & take-off with small floatplanes at most locations, also on the channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essen/Mülheim_Airport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhr

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldeneysee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine–Herne_Canal

21. Foothills ( at unknown location ) - A large lake. Successful landing & take-off with small floatplanes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foothills

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_foothills

22. Malta - The Mediterranean Sea.

Successful landing & take-off with seaplanes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta

23.Two towns ( Canterbury in Kent, UK ) - The North Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterbury

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leysdown-on-Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evesham

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitstable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herne_Bay,_Kent

24. New Guinea ( next to Port Moresby ) - The Pacific Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Moresby

25. Foolhills ( at unknown location ) - A large lake.

26. Desert Coast ( at unknown location ) - An unknown ocean.

27. Fjords ( at unknown location, e.g. Norway ) - An unknown ocean ( e.g. Baltic Sea, North Sea,..)

28 Zhengzou ( in China, in memory of the 2nd, Japanese-Chinese war ) - The "Yellow River" river

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhengzhou

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River

29. "Advance to Moskow" ( Russia  / USSR next to Goiizyno ) - The "Moskva" river

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golizyno

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnosnamensk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskva_River

30. "Merchant Fleet"  ( at unknown location ) - Unknown ocean

31. "Paradise Island" ( Guam ) - Pacific Ocean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guam

( in memory of the Battle of Guam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guam_(1944)

)

32. Greece ( at unknown location ) - Some lakes

 

b) No landing on water...

1. Apple Gardens ( at unknown location )- No river, no large lake, just minor lake(s) too small to land with a seaplane.

The preview map is by error the Ground Warefare map "Poland, reported as bug since 2015...

2. "Eastern Europe" ( Dubiyevka, Russkaya Polyana, Belozer'ye  at Ukraine, next to the town Cherkasy and the river Dnieper )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherkasy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper

--

 

In opposite to Ground Warefare, where you may successfully fight from the water against red enemies on the land, or even surprise red enemies that you are coming from the water, with Aerial Warefare there is ( so far ) no military nor technical use for landing on the water....

 

Chapter 1: Naval Warefare at the Ground Warefare theatre, see

Sincerely

Rolf

 

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A few nitpicks... you've ignored the Japanese floatplanes.  And the premium german and russian ones.  And the OS2U.

 

Also on the PBY-5 (not the PBY-5a, which has actual landing gear), the landing gear control will deploy wingtip floats, and absolutely should be used while landing.

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Thanks for feedback :-)

 

a)

I didn´t find it in my current tree of free or premium planes, though they are in the Wiki and obviously were available in the past ?!

OS2U-1 Kingfisher, should be in Rank1

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=OS2U-1Kingfisher

 

OS2U-3 Kingfisher, should be in Rank1

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=OS2U-3Kingfisher

 

b)

Yes, PBY-5a Catalina is a premium Russian airplane.

But I didn´t find such seaplanes at German premium airplanes.

 

So I updated my article,

I would be pleased if there is still something missing :-).

 

c)

Where may I do with the optional Torpedo ? So far I saw on BP Reserve - BP 2.0 just "Patrol Boats", which can easily be sunk by machine gun (!), or bombs. If I may get up to 12 bombs, why should I decide for a single Torpedo?!

 

So a Torpedo for a patrol boat would be really a waste ( and the enourmous reload time after a single Torpedo shot is annoying )...

Any comments at this time :-)?!

 

Sincerely

Rolf

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PBY-5a is in the US main tree.  Or did that get removed too?  The OS2U was removed from the main tree recently, so only those of us that already have them see them now.

 

Torpedoes are useless in arcade, and are basically a surefire way to die.  This was not always the case, but since patch 1.39 or so, they've been rendered extremely impractical as weapons.

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You forgot the premium British Catalina Mk IVa, which seems to be the same as the PBY-5a.

 

If you want to use torpedoes, go to Realistic battles. In AB it's just suicide.

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There is a german seaplane - it's a modification of the reserve biplane with pontoons.

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1 hour ago, sidchicken said:

There is a german seaplane - it's a modification of the reserve biplane with pontoons.

And where to find :-)?!

And how to use it, in which WT game mode ?! :-)

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1 hour ago, *sigma__zero said:

You forgot the premium British Catalina Mk IVa, which seems to be the same as the PBY-5a.

I updated the original article above, thanks :-)

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3 hours ago, sidchicken said:

There is a german seaplane - it's a modification of the reserve biplane with pontoons.

 

I think there's a floatplane version of the He 51 that was a reward for an event or something like that so it's  no longer available . Yes, here is it: http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=He_51_B-2_/Hydroplane

 

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On 10/08/2016 at 10:34 AM, *sigma__zero said:

 

I think there's a floatplane version of the He 51 that was a reward for an event or something like that so it's  no longer available . Yes, here is it: http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=He_51_B-2_/Hydroplane

 

I updated the original article above, thanks :-)

 

Btw, there are many German floatplanes not/never available at WT, including

1.

Dornier Do 24 ( really famous still, in Germany, on the level of Catalina PBY-5 )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_24

2.

Blohm & Voss BV 2xx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_222

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_238

 

<update>

WarThunder Blog:

BV 238: The Largest aircraft

http://warthunder.com/en/news/4245-development-bv-238-the-largest-aircraft-en/

will come soon :-), as Premium item.

 

See also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seaplanes_and_amphibious_aircraft

 

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5 hours ago, *sigma__zero said:

I think there's a floatplane version of the He 51 that was a reward for an event or something like that so it's  no longer available . Yes, here is it: http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=He_51_B-2_/Hydroplane

 

That's what I said - a modification of the reserve biplane.  Didn't realize it was hidden if you don't own it though - I got it in the event, so I see it.  Much like I didn't realize the OS2 had been removed, since I have them.

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20 hours ago, hemmerling said:

I updated the original article above, thanks :-)

 

Btw, there are many German floatplanes not/never available at WT, including

1.

Dornier Do 24 ( really famous still, in Germany, on the level of Catalina PBY-5 )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_24

2.

Blohm & Voss BV 2xx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_222

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_238

 

See also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seaplanes_and_amphibious_aircraft

 

 

The Do 24 and BV 222 don't have bombs listed, so they wouldn't be useful in the game. The BV 238, though... 9 tons of bombs, 2 cannons and a whopping quantity of 20 machine guns! I'd love to hear the cries of fighter pilots of how OP that thing is :D.

15 hours ago, sidchicken said:

That's what I said - a modification of the reserve biplane.  Didn't realize it was hidden if you don't own it though - I got it in the event, so I see it.  Much like I didn't realize the OS2 had been removed, since I have them.

 

Yeah, there are many planes are hidden if you don't own them. Which is a shame, there are some interesting planes you can't own anymore. 

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Wikis have a "problem", there is usually no directory = table of contents.

Is there anyhow a table of all one-available items at the WT wiki, so that I may check myself for floating airplanes, floating vehicles, SPAAs, ect :-)?!

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8 hours ago, hemmerling said:

Wikis have a "problem", there is usually no directory = table of contents.

Is there anyhow a table of all one-available items at the WT wiki, so that I may check myself for floating airplanes, floating vehicles, SPAAs, ect :-)?!

 

You mean the list of hidden unavailable vehicles? I'm not really familiar with the wiki, but there's a thread in the Machinery of War Discussion forum with a list. It's the first topic on the Aircraft Discussion page. As far as I know the only plane you're missing on your list is the Russian MBR-2 flying boat.

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On 11/08/2016 at 7:07 AM, *sigma__zero said:

The BV 238, though... 9 tons of bombs, 2 cannons and a whopping quantity of 20 machine guns! I'd love to hear the cries of fighter pilots of how OP that thing is :D.

 

<update>

WarThunder Blog:

BV 238: The Largest aircraft

http://warthunder.com/en/news/4245-development-bv-238-the-largest-aircraft-en/

will come soon :-), as Premium item.

 

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12 minutes ago, hemmerling said:

 

<update>

WarThunder Blog:

BV 238: The Largest aircraft

http://warthunder.com/en/news/4245-development-bv-238-the-largest-aircraft-en/

will come soon :-), as Premium item.

 

 

The payload limited to 5 tons, though. It stills sounds like a great plane as long as Gaijin doesn't overtier it. 4.0 BR would do it for me.

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2 hours ago, *sigma__zero said:

The payload limited to 5 tons, though. It stills sounds like a great plane as long as Gaijin doesn't overtier it. 4.0 BR would do it for me.

I see the seaplane more on the level

 

BP2.3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawanishi_H6K

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=H6K4

 

BP2.0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=PBY-5Catalina

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=PBY-5aCatalina

 

BP3.3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawanishi_H8K

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=H8K2

 

, as all the defense armament doesn´t help much....
 

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10 minutes ago, hemmerling said:

 

It's better armed and carries more bombs than any of those. The closest thing in the German tree is the Do 217 E-2, 4 tons of bombs, a cannon and 5 MGs at 4.7. I think it should be somewhere close to 4.0-4.7, any higher and late tier prop fighters will eat it alive.

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