MiG-21 F13 WIP

[Iradeus 92]

MiG 21 F13, not your average everyday MiG 21. 

Still a WIP, hopefully it will be ported into the game if anyone is willing.

 

 

To Do

 

Control Surfaces and Flaps

Gear doors and airbrakes

Canopy

Landing gears

External details

Low-poly cockpit (no cockpit view, just external)

Pylons

Choice of either drop tanks, missiles and/or rocket pods, if anyone can get it to work. (Choice of 2)

 

RELEASE

 

Then either;

-Make a fully-functioning cockpit

or

-Make another MiG 21 variant

 

Tell me what you guys think.

Edited June 2, 2016 by Iradeus

[_YungBubi_ 28]

If you do make another variant of the MiG 21, why not make a Bis model?

 

Looks good so far, but for help on the plane I would get in touch with a user named Snozzeltoff, he made some CDK Jets, so he could help you out with this.

[Iradeus 92]

If you do make another variant of the MiG 21, why not make a Bis model?

 

Looks good so far, but for help on the plane I would get in touch with a user named Snozzeltoff, he made some CDK Jets, so he could help you out with this.

Thanks, I dont need help yet though, not until I need to export it. I plan to make a 21bis model when I'm done with this, only because this plane only has one cannon (23mm) with 60 rounds (yeah, kinda sucks..). It was a missile interceptor, so it might be more fun just to fly around rather than killing things. However, if anyone can get a rocket pod to work then that'll be fun :)

 

quick update, wont be working much on it this week since I'm starting work right after finals, and I'm also sick.. x-x

 

[Iradeus 92]

 
Apologies for the double post. I exempted a class so I got some time to finish up the control surfaces, not exactly the flaps cause I have to research it and see how far it extends. May move on to the airbrakes tomorrow. However, I'm having some issues confirming what are airbrakes and what is not.
Near the nose on both sides I think is some sort of maintenance panel (not used as airbrakes), there is also an actual confirmed airbrake near the fin.
 
Alleged "maintenance panel" (present on both sided of the jet):
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Confirmed airbrake:

 
Can anyone confirm this? Edited June 2, 2016 by Iradeus

[ZiePeregrine 123]

could you send the file to me for further inspection?

[Iradeus 92]

could you send the file to me for further inspection?

Sent.
The blueprints are transparent with white lines, so theyre not visible in most image viewers..

[spreest 279]

Alleged "maintenance panel" (present on both sided of the jet):
\

Nevermind, let me make sure...

 

 

Confirmed airbrake.

 

This access panel mentioned is the connection of the formers 28 AND 28a (split between front and rear section of the aircraft if I understand -- NOT pictured above) which can be separated for maintenance.

 

I'd appreciate it if another user could back this information up.

Edited June 2, 2016 by spreest

[Iradeus 92]

Asked another forum the same thing, waiting to hear their replies to if both were used when the external fuel tank wasn't present.


Edit: Confirmed all air brakes were used when anything that'd be placed under the belly wasn't present. Time to model it.. :p Edited June 3, 2016 by Iradeus

[Iradeus 92]

 

Didnt get to much this weekend, but I think you guys can guess what this is.

And what comes along with it.. ;p

Edited June 7, 2016 by Iradeus

[spreest 279]

What's the solution for the animation of the shock cone once this model is further refined? Does that software offer the option to add simple animations for ailerons, flaps, gear, etc.?

[Iradeus 92]

What's the solution for the animation of the shock cone once this model is further refined? Does that software offer the option to add simple animations for ailerons, flaps, gear, etc.?

Unfortunately, I cant do it in blender since it's not compatible with the Dagor engine. It'll have to be done in Maya or 3DS Max. I dont know if animations are code-able, like 'if (not accurate numbers) +1200kmh is exceeded, animation _ is activated" or something.

[RideR2 5,028]

I dont know if animations are code-able, like 'if (not accurate numbers) +1200kmh is exceeded, animation _ is activated" or something.

You can set that in Flight Model (landing gear, flaps, airbrakes etc.).

I can make it for you when you finish your 3d model (after importing it to WT).

 

Thanks, I dont need help yet though, not until I need to export it. I plan to make a 21bis model when I'm done with this, only because this plane only has one cannon (23mm) with 60 rounds (yeah, kinda sucks..). It was a missile interceptor, so it might be more fun just to fly around rather than killing things. However, if anyone can get a rocket pod to work then that'll be fun :)

From that what I know F-13 version had one NR-30 cannon with 30 rounds.

Edited June 7, 2016 by RideR2

[Iradeus 92]

You can set that in Flight Model (landing gear, flaps, airbrakes etc.).
I can make it for you when you finish your 3d model (after importing it to WT).
 
From that what I know F-13 version had one NR-30 cannon with 30 rounds.

 
Yay, found someone willing! And I remember reading somewhere it could hold a bit more ammo (and maybe a different caliber cannon) but I dont remember the source.
 
Nose gear complete:





Edit2: Fixed, Realistic now.. :P Edited June 8, 2016 by Iradeus

[spreest 279]

Cool.

 

I'd like to texture the aircraft (camouflage, weathering, etc.) but I have little to no experience with that either. The MiG-21 is one of the coolest airplanes imo. I'm excited to watch as this model is developed.

[kev2go 5,111]

snip

 

nice start so far. 

 

any  future plans to work on a Mig19? after completing this Mig21?

 

 

like the Mig19S with triple NR-30  30mm cannons?

 

 

only suggesting because  more cannons, and more ammo .  is still a pure gun based fighter/ interceptor.

 

though it too should be capable of some limited ground attack just like the Mig21. either rocket pods or a pair of bombs.

Edited June 8, 2016 by kev2go

[spreest 279]

Hmmm any plans to work on a Mig19?

 

 

like the Mig19S with triple NR-30  30mm cannons?

Tried asking one of the top posters on the live.warthunder site? http://live.warthunder.com/feed/models/

[Iradeus 92]

Cool.
 
I'd like to texture the aircraft (camouflage, weathering, etc.) but I have little to no experience with that either. The MiG-21 is one of the coolest airplanes imo. I'm excited to watch as this model is developed.

It's a real beauty indeed ;) I'm having a lot of fun modeling the small little details.
 

nice start so far. 
 
any  future plans to work on a Mig19? after completing this Mig21?
 
 
like the Mig19S with triple NR-30  30mm cannons?
 
 
only suggesting because  more cannons, and more ammo .  is still a pure gun based fighter/ interceptor.
 
though it too should be capable of some limited ground attack just like the Mig21. either rocket pods or a pair of bombs.

Maybe, I dont know. I might do another MiG 21 variant or an American jet, F100D Super Sabre probably. Depends on what people want.. :D
Anywho, I'm finished modeling the nose gear afaik this is the last edit.

Better pictures here: http://live.warthunder.com/post/438771/

Edited June 8, 2016 by Iradeus

[_YungBubi_ 28]

Maybe, I dont know. I might do another MiG 21 variant or an American jet, F100D Super Sabre probably. Depends on what people want.. :D
Anywho,
 

 

What about the counterpart to this? The F4 Phantom? That would be cool imo, but I also like the F100 Super Sabre also, so its your choice.

[RideR2 5,028]

What about the counterpart to this? The F4 Phantom? That would be cool imo, but I also like the F100 Super Sabre also, so its your choice.

Well, we have BAC Lightning F.1 :D 

Edited June 8, 2016 by RideR2

[kev2go 5,111]

It's a real beauty indeed ;) I'm having a lot of fun modeling the small little details.
 

Maybe, I dont know. I might do another MiG 21 variant or an American jet, F100D Super Sabre probably. Depends on what people want.. :D
Anywho, I'm finished modeling the nose gear afaik this is the last edit.

Better pictures here: http://live.warthunder.com/post/438771/

 
 
F-100D is a nice choice yes. love its looks  especially modern &  sleek looking for a mid 50s design.
 
 
but ultimately your the designer so final calls up to you.
 
 
 

What about the counterpart to this? The F4 Phantom? That would be cool imo, but I also like the F100 Super Sabre also, so its your choice.

 
 
well F4s did fight Mig21s of multiple variations in vietnam, but hoenstly i dont see the Mig21 F13 as a phnatom equivalent.
 
 
Its still a day fighter,  ( no radar) whilst F4 phantom has Radar range of 200 NM for air scan, and 100 NM for Air to Ground Scan, and radar has ability to lock on targets off boresight. , and was eventually also fitted with RWR  ( warning receiver against  Aircraft & SAM radar tacking and Locking) in the late 60s.
 
 
where as even the last production Mig21Bis, has  only air scan, and a radar range of 30 KM, and no off boresight lock mode. having to line up thier radar onto target.  Further more ,the F4 has aim7 which are capable of BVR firing, whilst the Mig21 could only ever launch the R3R, a radar seeking conversion of the R3 heatseaker, and in turn shared the same short range.
 
Late model Mig21M MF, and the Bis had RWR, but it is very crude and simple compared to the American one.

 

 

 

[spoiler]

 

  SPO 10 RWR, which was used on the Mig21BIS as well as on the Mig23M , ML & MLA

 

 

 

American RWR ( as found on many aircraft like the F4E, and earlier retrofitted phantoms, as well as retrofitted F105 Thundercheifs)

 

 

 

[/spoiler]
 
 
 AS showm in spoiler you can see, how the soviet one simply has a icon of a plane, and those Dots would light up depending on the direction , of radar ping, and all would Light up, and a continuous beeping sound would emit, when the aircraft was actually locked on.

Whilst the more sophisticated American RWR would be able to give a more precise direction, and even a approximate distance of enemy radars tracking you, or locking on to you. IT was also capable of differentiating between  ground SAM threats and air threats.
 
 
From a balancing point of view i would argue that Mig23 is more comparable to the Phantoms ( especially F4E) avionics technological capabilities, than any Mig21 variant.
 
 
If anything i would conisder the MIg21 F13, and early second generation mig21s, like the Mig21PF & Mig21PFM  probably more fair to compare to the F-104A/C Starfighter.

Edited June 8, 2016 by kev2go

[_YungBubi_ 28]

 
 
F-100D is a nice choice yes. love its looks  especially modern &  sleek looking for a mid 50s design.
 
 
but ultimately your the designer so final calls up to you.
 
 
 

 
 
well F4s did fight Mig21s of multiple variations in vietnam, but hoenstly i dont see the Mig21 F13 as a phnatom equivalent.
 
 
Its still a day fighter,  ( no radar) whilst F4 phantom has Radar range of 200 NM for air scan, and 100 NM for Air to Ground Scan, and radar has ability to lock on targets off boresight. , and was eventually also fitted with RWR  ( warning receiver against  Aircraft & SAM radar tacking and Locking) in the late 60s.
 
 
where as even the last production Mig21Bis, has  only air scan, and a radar range of 30 KM, and no off boresight lock mode. having to line up thier radar onto target.  Further more ,the F4 has aim7 which are capable of BVR firing, whilst the Mig21 could only ever launch the R3R, a radar seeking conversion of the R3 heatseaker, and in turn shared the same short range.
 
Late model Mig21M MF, and the Bis had RWR, but it is very crude and simple compared to the American one.

 

 

 

[spoiler]

 

  SPO 10 RWR, which was used on the Mig21BIS as well as on the Mig23M , ML & MLA

 

 

 

American RWR ( as found on many aircraft like the F4E, and earlier retrofitted phantoms, as well as retrofitted F105 Thundercheifs)

 

 

 

[/spoiler]
 
 
 AS showm in spoiler you can see, how the soviet one simply has a icon of a plane, and those Dots would light up depending on the direction , of radar ping, and all would Light up, and a continuous beeping sound would emit, when the aircraft was actually locked on.

Whilst the more sophisticated American RWR would be able to give a more precise direction, and even a approximate distance of enemy radars tracking you, or locking on to you. IT was also capable of differentiating between  ground SAM threats and air threats.
 
 
From a balancing point of view i would argue that Mig23 is more comparable to the Phantoms ( especially F4E) avionics technological capabilities, than any Mig21 variant.
 
 
If anything i would conisder the MIg21 F13, and early second generation mig21s, like the Mig21PF & Mig21PFM  probably more fair to compare to the F-104A/C Starfighter.

 

Well whats the main difference between the F13 and the Bis? MIG 23 is too much, just do it historically, F4 vs MiG 21

[kev2go 5,111]

Well whats the main difference between the F13 and the Bis? MIG 23 is too much, just do it historically, F4 vs MiG 21

 

 

i explained its technological difference, but il clarify that, and also explain other differences.

 

 

 

Mig21F13 is the first mass production of the Mig21. Went into service in 1961. its a day fighter, and only has 2 hardpoints for 2 heatseakers ( or for a pair of rocket pods or bombs for ground attack)

 

for missiles it only fires heatseakers.it uses a radar ranging Gyro gunsight. its a day fighter because its got No radar which is usefull for interception, detectiing air to air threats outside beyond visual range, or in bad weather conditions.

 

 

Mig21Bis  went into service in 1972. ( just a year prior to the Mig23M) IT has a more powerful engine, and raised top part of the airframe because of extra fuel storage.

 

Of course there were othernotable productions between the Mig21 F13,  and the Mig21 Bis such as the Mig21 PF/ PFM, Mig21M/ MF models but thats not part of the comparison.

 

[spoiler]

 

Mig21F13 external appearance  ( polish AF)

 

 

Mig21Bis external ( Bulgarian AF)

 

 

 

[/spoiler]

 

 

Now in next spoilers images of thier cockpits.

 

[spoiler]

 

Mig21 F13 Cockpit 

 

 

 

Mig21Bis Cockpit

 

[/spoiler]

 

it has 4  wing hardpoints, so that means 2 additional heatseakers, or 2  R3R ( radar guided conversion of r3 IR)  within visual range semi active radar locks.

 

it actually has a radar( saphir 22) but it is only a 30 km range scan, and no air to ground scan for ground targets. it has a RWR (  SPO 10 warning receiver against air and Sam threats, but as shown in prior posts, Its very crude compared to the american one)

 

 

 

 

and no  Mig23 is still not much against a F4 phantom, its more comparable but still technologically infarior in avonics to the F4.

 

hence why the Mig23 was referred to by american pilots as a "poor man's Phantom"

 

 

Mig23M which went into service in 1973, has a radar range of only 50km range, and a SPO 10 RWR both of which are inferior to the phantoms radar and RWR. but at least the Mig23 can fire the R23 ( & later 24)  SARH missile, which is comparable to the Aim7E sparrow, and the latter to the Aim7F.

 

IT only has 4 hardpoints but with the newer  smaller R60 heatseaker can mount x2 heatseakers per 2 pylons, Plus 2 SARH  on each idnivdual. 

 

 

F4 phantom carry x4 aim9 heatseakers and x4 SARH Aim7s

 

so yes Mig23 is entirely Fair against the F4E phantom, and al lthings considered it still  technologically inferior with its avoinics to the F4.

Edited June 18, 2016 by kev2go

[Iradeus 92]

The F-13 was mass produced and exported and bought by many country's air forces. It was produced in 1960 while the bis was produced 12 years later. Have a small update, some parts were improved and the wheel wells were cut out in the rear. I might have to add more detail in the front..



If I get time, the gear doors will be done by tomorrow.

[Iradeus 92]

Did not finish the gear doors, however, I did something else..
To compensate for the cannons ;)
Also made the rear airbrake, which I'm about 80-85% finished with.

[wiReSoftshade 96]

Go G0 Go!!!
Very Good!