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T-54/55 mod(1955-1964)

T-54/55 tank ingame  

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  1. 1. Which modification of T-54/55 should we see in techtree ?

    • T-54A (Ob'yekt 137G) year (1955 - 1957).
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    • T-54B (Ob'yekt 137G2) year(1957 - 1958).
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    • T-55 (Ob'yekt 155) year (1958â??1963).
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    • T-55A (Ob'yekt 155A) year (1963â??1981).
      41
    • All of the above.
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    • No (Please explain why).
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The T-54 and T-55 have a cabin layout shared with many post-World War II tanks, with the fighting compartment in the front, engine compartment in the rear, and a dome-shaped turret in the centre of the hull. The driver's hatch is on the front left of the hull roof. The commander is seated on the left, with the gunner to his front and the loader on the right. The tank's suspension has the drive sprocket at the rear, and dead track. Engine exhaust is on the left fender. There is a prominent gap between the first and second road wheel pairs, a distinguishing feature from the T-62, which has progressively larger spaces between road wheels towards the rear.

The T-54 and T-55 tanks are outwardly very similar and difficult to distinguish visually. Many T-54s were also updated to T-55 standards, so the distinction is often downplayed with the collective name T-54/55. Soviet tanks were factory-overhauled every 7,000 km and often given minor technology updates. Many states have added or modified the tank's equipment; India, for example, affixed fake fume extractors to its T-54s and T-55s so that its gunners would not confuse them with Pakistani Type 59s.

The older T-54 can be distinguished from the T-55 by a dome-shaped ventilator on the front right of the turret and a driver-operated SGMT 7.62 mm machine gun mounted to fire through a tiny hole in the centre of the hull's front. Early T-54s lacked a gun fume extractor, had an undercut at the turret's rear, and a distinctive "pig-snout" gun mantlet.

 

Specifications (T-54/55) Weight 36 - 38 tonnes Length 6.04 -6.45 m Width 3.15 -3.37 m Height 2.40 m Crew 4 Armour hull front 120, at 60° angle, turret front 205 mm (rounded), hull side 80 mm at 0° angle, lower hull side 20 mm at 0° angle, turret side 130 mm (rounded), hull rear 60 mm at 0° angle, turret rear 60 mm (rounded), hull top 33–16 mm, turret top 30 mm, hull floor 20 mm

Main
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D-10TG 100 mm  & D-10T2S 100 mm rifled guns

Secondary
armament

7.62 mm SGMT & PKT coaxial machine gun, (12.7 mm DShK heavy machine gun) Engine Model V-55(V-54) V-12 water-cooled. 38.88-l diesel
Main: 500 hp (373 kW); 581 hp (433 kW); up to 800hp (597 kW) (late versions) Power/weight 14.6 - 15.7 hp/tonne Transmission Mechanical synchromesh, 5 forward, 1 reverse gears Suspension Torsion bar Ground clearance 0.425 m Fuel capacity 580 l internal, 320 l external (less on early T54), 400 l jettisonable rear drums Speed 48 km/h (30 mph) & 55 km/h (34 mph)

 

1.T-54A (Ob'yekt 137G):

 

Produced 1955–1957

 

By 1953, the OKB-520 design bureau saw the rise of a new team, under the direction of Leonid N. Kartsev. Their T-54A came equipped with the new STP-1 “Gorizont” gun stabilizer in a vertical plane with better guidance, an automated electric ejection device to purge the barrel, and the initial small muzzle counter-weight was replaced with a massive fume extractor. This new gun was called D-10TG. Now it was possible to conduct true aimed fire on the move.
The engine received an air cleaner with controlled blinds, multi-stage air filter and radiator control to maintain optimum performance and a new OPVT wading snorkel. The driver received a night vision periscope, as the TVN-1 and related IR driving searchlight. A new R-113 radio was also made available. The gunner received an upgraded TSh-2A-22 telescopic sight. Other modifications included an electrical oil pump, bilge pump and automatic fire extinguisher. The most distinctive change in appearance, outside the gun\’s fume extractor, were the rear massive extra fuel tanks. This T-54A was scheduled for mid-1954 but not produced until the end of 1955 as an upgrade, which lasted until 1957. Some 2102 T-10TG guns were completed by the Sverdlovsk and Perm arsenals for 1955 alone, 1854 in 1956 and 840 in 1957.

Polish T-54As were locally manufactured at the Bumar-Labedy plant as the AM, characterized by “L”-shaped fuel cells on either side of the turret ring and additional ZIP stowage bins on the turret. 2855 of these were assembled from 1956 to 1967, replacing the ageing T-34/85s. In Czechoslovakia, similar endeavors started at ZTM Martin, delivering 2490 T-54As and 120 T-54AKs (command versions) from 1958 to 1966. These command versions were separated between the AK-1 and AK-2, the former having an extra R-113 radio while the latter had a telescopic long-range antenna mast HTM-10.

 

http://www.krasnayazvezda.com/terre/materiels/chars/t54/16.jpg

 

 

2.T-54B (Ob'yekt 137G2):

 

Produced 1957–1958

 

In 1955, another major modernization (Objekt 137G2) was traduced into production as the T-54B. It was equipped with the D-10T2S rifled gun coupled with a STP-2 “Tsyklon” 2-plane stabilizer (“Cyclone”) on vertical and horizontal planes, developed at the TsNII-173 plant. This increased target hit probability from 30 to 60%. Fuel tanks were fitted with sets of self-sealing systems. With them, the tank could not overcome a fording depth of 5 m (16.4 ft). Production started in early 1957, replacing the T-54A. In April 1959, new infra-red vision and night sights were added at the end of the production, just before the introduction of the T-55. This included the L-2 “Luna” infrared searchlight, TPN-1-22-11 infra-red gunner\’s sight, and the new OU-3 IR searchlight, mounted over the commander cupola.

 

http://www.falconbbs.com/m53-118.jpg

 

 

3.T-55 (Ob'yekt 155):

 

Produced 1958–1963

 

It has a new turret with floor, PAZ nuclear-blast protection and over-pressure NBC system, gamma ray detector, improved V-55 engine developing 580 horsepower (430 kW) (the engine output was boosted by increasing both pressure of injected fuel and degree of compression) and power-assisted clutch, MC-1 internal oil filter, AK-150S compressor which allows pneumatic start of the engine (the electric starter was removed), new internal fuel tanks with a capacity of 300 l situated in the front of the hull (this increased the overall capacity of the internal fuel tanks to 680 l), ammunition load for the main gun was increased from 34 rounds to 43 (18 of which are stored in "wet containers" situated inside the hull fuel tanks), "Rosa" fire-protection system and TDA exhaust smoke generator. The engine compartment was equipped with a heating system. To compensate for the increase in mass caused by the new equipment the rear hull armour was thinned. The loader's DShK 1938/46 antiaircraft heavy machine gun was removed. The T-55 also lacks a turret dome ventilator. Early units had flush loader's hatch. "Starfish" road wheels replaced earlier "spider" style. Also a snorkel can be placed on T-55 (unlike its predecessors) to allow it to cross 5.5 m depths at a speed of 2 kilometres per hour (1.2 mph) (without preparation T-55 can cross 1.4 m depths). This equipment takes about 30 minutes' preparation, but can be jettisoned immediately on leaving the water.

http://www.enemyforces.net/tanks/t55.jpg

 

4.T-55A (Ob'yekt 155A):

 

Produced 1963–1981

 

The T-55A MBT was primarily developed to incorporate a new antiradiation lining and full PAZ/FVU chemical filtration system. One of the major internal additions was the use of a plasticized lead sheeting for antiradiation protection. This was evident externally due to use of an enlarged driver's hatch and enlarged combings over the commander's and loader's hatch to accommodate the new material. Improved POV anti-radiation protection (leading to visibly protruding turret hatches) and NBC filtration, dispensed with bow machine gun. SGMT coaxial machine gun was replaced with PKT coaxial machine gun. Hull machine gun has been removed which gave place for 6 more 100 mm gun rounds[103] Since 1970, T-55A tanks began to receive a new turret fitting for the 12.7mm DShK 1938/46 antiaircraft heavy machine gun.

http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72156/T55_yu.jpg
 

 

 

http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/63/a2c2eb4a987d014f0746a63f0cb83963.jpg

 

 

Other links about T-54/55 tank :

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/USSR/soviet_T-54.php ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55 ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55_operators_and_variants .

 

 

 

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Open for Discussion. :salute:

 

Good job on providing plenty of information too. :good:  Was a nice read through too. :yes:

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no more T54's! already 3 of them and they all go up against ww2 tanks, if they are 8.0 or above then sure. they can go against Korean and Vietnam tanks like they should. none until BR is fixed tho pls 

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honestly soviet TV line up shouldnt get any more powerful until all nations received at least + 2 vehicles of +50 era. Actually yes T54's and T10M are less at advantage than M60, Leo and Chietain, but the number of potent tanks they can respawn is simply insane.

 

USSR Typical lineup in Tier V

 

T10M, T54 Mod 51, T54 Mod 49, T54 Mod 47, SU122-54, IS3 or 4, ZSU-57-2.  7 vehicules which 3 of them can fire HEATFS and 4 of them can fire Sabots

 

All of which can still be a serious threat to any tank currently in game.

 

Germany typical lineup in Tier V

 

Leopard 1, Maus or E100 (or both but it's very rare)  Kanonenjagpanzer, Panther II, Kugelblitz or Coelian. 2 of them can fire HEATFS and sabot one being turretless, the rest is forced to aim for weakspot and be at reasonnable distance to deal damages

 

USA typical lineup in tier 5.

 

M60, M103, M47, M18 (yes), M41, M42. Two of them can fire HEATFS and two of them can fire sabot, one being fired from an almost harmless 76 mm gun. 

 

UK typical lineup

 

Chieftain, Conqueror, Cent Mk10, Cent Mk 3, Caernavon, Falcon. Only two of them can fire powerful enough sabots to pen reliably, all the rest is stuck from average sabot ( cent Mk 10) to bad sabot at that BR ( Cent Mk 3 and caernavon).

 

USSR actually has the bigger number of most potent vehicles in the game and i wouldnt actually be surprised of the T62 or T55 coming next patch along with probably M48 and Leo A1A, this being said. In tier V battle, the odds are greatly in favor of Russian TV due to the sheer number of the tank they can spawn.

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NO! The USSR tree should not receive any more tier fives until the rest of the trees are filled out. There are already 3 variants of the T-54 and we DO NOT need anymore.

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There is no need to yell or panic, my friend. The OP has the right to suggest these tanks, and if you read the post above yours, the poster made a very good point about why the addition should be postponed.
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I'm ok with all of them.  But, the US, Germany, and Britain need to be caught up on tier 5 vehicle variety before those happen. 

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honestly soviet TV line up shouldnt get any more powerful until all nations received at least + 2 vehicles of +50 era. Actually yes T54's and T10M are less at advantage than M60, Leo and Chietain, but the number of potent tanks they can respawn is simply insane.

 

USSR Typical lineup in Tier V

 

T10M, T54 Mod 51, T54 Mod 49, T54 Mod 47, SU122-54, IS3 or 4, ZSU-57-2.  7 vehicules which 3 of them can fire HEATFS and 4 of them can fire Sabots

 

All of which can still be a serious threat to any tank currently in game.

 

Germany typical lineup in Tier V

 

Leopard 1, Maus or E100 (or both but it's very rare)  Kanonenjagpanzer, Panther II, Kugelblitz or Coelian. 2 of them can fire HEATFS and sabot one being turretless, the rest is forced to aim for weakspot and be at reasonnable distance to deal damages

 

USA typical lineup in tier 5.

 

M60, M103, M47, M18 (yes), M41, M42. Two of them can fire HEATFS and two of them can fire sabot, one being fired from an almost harmless 76 mm gun. 

 

UK typical lineup

 

Chieftain, Conqueror, Cent Mk10, Cent Mk 3, Caernavon, Falcon. Only two of them can fire powerful enough sabots to pen reliably, all the rest is stuck from average sabot ( cent Mk 10) to bad sabot at that BR ( Cent Mk 3 and caernavon).

 

USSR actually has the bigger number of most potent vehicles in the game and i wouldnt actually be surprised of the T62 or T55 coming next patch along with probably M48 and Leo A1A, this being said. In tier V battle, the odds are greatly in favor of Russian TV due to the sheer number of the tank they can spawn.

Very good point there, good explanation and research too. :good:

 

I'm ok with all of them.  But, the US, Germany, and Britain need to be caught up on tier 5 vehicle variety before those happen. 

I'm still waiting for my M48A5 and M60A1. :Ds

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None of the listed vehicles had 120 mm of hull armour. All of them had 100 mm UFP and LFP, with the turret being 200 mm thick. The T-54's also had a 520 hp engine, and the T-55's have a 580 hp engine.  

 

honestly soviet TV line up shouldnt get any more powerful until all nations received at least + 2 vehicles of +50 era. Actually yes T54's and T10M are less at advantage than M60, Leo and Chietain, but the number of potent tanks they can respawn is simply insane.

 

USSR Typical lineup in Tier V

 

T10M, T54 Mod 51, T54 Mod 49, T54 Mod 47, SU122-54, IS3 or 4, ZSU-57-2.  7 vehicules which 3 of them can fire HEATFS and 4 of them can fire Sabots

 

All of which can still be a serious threat to any tank currently in game.

 

Germany typical lineup in Tier V

 

Leopard 1, Maus or E100 (or both but it's very rare)  Kanonenjagpanzer, Panther II, Kugelblitz or Coelian. 2 of them can fire HEATFS and sabot one being turretless, the rest is forced to aim for weakspot and be at reasonnable distance to deal damages

 

USA typical lineup in tier 5.

 

M60, M103, M47, M18 (yes), M41, M42. Two of them can fire HEATFS and two of them can fire sabot, one being fired from an almost harmless 76 mm gun. 

 

UK typical lineup

 

Chieftain, Conqueror, Cent Mk10, Cent Mk 3, Caernavon, Falcon. Only two of them can fire powerful enough sabots to pen reliably, all the rest is stuck from average sabot ( cent Mk 10) to bad sabot at that BR ( Cent Mk 3 and caernavon).

 

USSR actually has the bigger number of most potent vehicles in the game and i wouldnt actually be surprised of the T62 or T55 coming next patch along with probably M48 and Leo A1A, this being said. In tier V battle, the odds are greatly in favor of Russian TV due to the sheer number of the tank they can spawn.

 

Love the old argument of Soviet AP-HE tanks are dangerous but the Germans have to aim for weak spots. Flawed logic as usual. Also, three American tanks fire HEAT. 

 

Also, 1960's vehicle count by nation:

 

Soviets: 0

Americans: 1

Germans: 2

British: 1

 

With confirmed vehicles:

 

Soviets: 1

Americans: 2

Germans: 3

British: 1

 

Also, the numbers advantage only works in RB if you earn a shit load of spawn points. Something that isn't very likely considering they're the worst performing nation in the HEAT meta. Quit using that on-paper-only argument, it's a joke every time I see it. Really, do people actually believe that garbage? 

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None of the listed vehicles had 120 mm of hull armour. All of them had 100 mm UFP and LFP, with the turret being 200 mm thick. The T-54's also had a 520 hp engine, and the T-55's have a 580 hp engine.  

 

 

Love the old argument of Soviet AP-HE tanks are dangerous but the Germans have to aim for weak spots. Flawed logic as usual. Also, three American tanks fire HEAT. 

 

Also, 1960's vehicle count by nation:

 

Soviets: 0

Americans: 1

Germans: 2

British: 1

 

With confirmed vehicles:

 

Soviets: 1

Americans: 2

Germans: 3

British: 1

 

Also, the numbers advantage only works in RB if you earn a **** load of spawn points. Something that isn't very likely considering they're the worst performing nation in the HEAT meta. Quit using that on-paper-only argument, it's a joke every time I see it. Really, do people actually believe that garbage? 

It doesnt change anything to the fact that they still have more vehicles to spawn in a match than any other nation, basically a soviet player that loses it's T54 making two kills and thats nothing hard to achieve, can respawn the T10M, 2 kills can spawn another T54, and if he gets killed can spawn the ZSU 57-2. basically making 4 kills a soviet player can respawn 3 times or 5 times if he bounced some shot and can hop in a ZSU-57-2. T44-100, IS3 T54-47 

 

If a german player loses it's leopard, well GG, you can spawn either in a Maus, Jagdtiger, KaJaPa all of which are very situational and do not offer the effectiveness of the "backup" russian vehicles in the current game's META. 

 

No nation can respawn as much as Russia can for the same amount of spawn point. It's a fact, they can alsmost aling 2 times more vehicles than the ennemy team.

 

Russia has the most powerful and endurant lineup of the whole Tier V

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It doesnt change anything to the fact that they still have more vehicles to spawn in a match than any other nation, basically a soviet player that loses it's T54 making two kills and thats nothing hard to achieve, can respawn the T10M, 2 kills can spawn another T54, and if he gets killed can spawn the ZSU 57-2. basically making 4 kills a soviet player can respawn 3 times or 5 times if he bounced some shot and can hop in a ZSU-57-2. T44-100, IS3 T54-47 

 

If a german player loses it's leopard, well GG, you can spawn either in a Maus, Jagdtiger, KaJaPa all of which are very situational and do not offer the effectiveness of the "backup" russian vehicles in the current game's META. 

 

No nation can respawn as much as Russia can for the same amount of spawn point. It's a fact, they can alsmost aling 2 times more vehicles than the ennemy team.

 

Russia has the most powerful and endurant lineup of the whole Tier V

 

Honestly I think you are looking at it as if every Soviet player has every tank. There are people who only have a ZSU-57, or only have a T-54 Mod. X, etc.

 

You are acting as if every single player who owns Soviet tanks has unlocked HEAT-FS and owns every tank.

 

So while they do have many Tier 5 tanks, saying "they have enough so no more", is kind of a stupid argument.

 

Anyway, I would love to see all of these.

 

I enjoy Russian vehicles very much so yes, Gaijin plz add.

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Honestly I think you are looking at it as if every Soviet player has every tank. There are people who only have a ZSU-57, or only have a T-54 Mod. X, etc.

 

You are acting as if every single player who owns Soviet tanks has unlocked HEAT-FS and owns every tank.

 

So while they do have many Tier 5 tanks, saying "they have enough so no more", is kind of a stupid argument.

 

Anyway, I would love to see all of these.

 

I enjoy Russian vehicles very much so yes, Gaijin plz add

 

If you start balancing the game by looking what player has what, you'll never gonna make it.

 

You must look at the whole TV line up of every nation and it's needless to say that USSR gets on the top by far, they can spawn heavy number of 7.0 or 7.3 vehicles as back ups when they lose one 7.7 or 8.0 vehicle where other nation is stuck with only one viable 7.3 vehicle and thats the M47 patton, evbery other nation is stuck with completely outclassed 6.7 vehicles.

 

Meanwhile russian players have the choice between, t44-100, T54-47, IS3, SU 122-54 or ZSU 57-2 all of these vehicles can still be a very serious threat to any vehicle currently in the game.

 

Hell yes sure add more russian vehicles but balance the lineups first.

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T10M, T54 Mod 51, T54 Mod 49, T54 Mod 47, SU122-54, IS3 or 4, ZSU-57-2.  7 vehicules which 3 of them can fire HEATFS and 4 of them can fire Sabots

 

 

USSR actually has the bigger number of most potent vehicles in the game and i wouldnt actually be surprised of the T62 or T55 coming next patch along with probably M48 and Leo A1A, this being said. In tier V battle, the odds are greatly in favor of Russian TV due to the sheer number of the tank they can spawn.

 

Well, sure, I'll give you that. But from that standpoint we're mostly just whining about rounds fired and possibly armor... There's more to a tank than its armor and rounds fired. 

 

I like to drive my M22 around in 7.3-8.0 games... and I'll annihilate T-54's. Moral of the story.... It's not how big your gun is, it's how you use it. Most soviet tanks have all of what, 2-4 degrees of gun depression? That's laughable. Most only have like 30 degrees of climb, too. So already, we can assume T-54's will be in the low ground because they cant climb, and even if they could, it would be no use because they cant shoot down. So, that is your advantage, that is my advantage, that is how you kill them.

 

 

Yeah, the non-soviet nations have lesser backups, but having fought all of said soviet vehicles (with good, and bad drivers), they aren't as good as what you're cracking them up to be... From my experience. Yes, put any of those vehicles in the hands of a really, really good player or a squad, and they're going to own the battlefield... but most of the time they aren't. 

 

 

What you need is some 7.3 diversification in the rest of the trees; the 8.0's will follow. I would actually support the T-55/62, knowing I could say "Yeah, well, if you get that, I think X nation needs this to balance them"... etc. And Gaijin, I don't think, would throw in 2-6 top tier 8.0's into one nation and totally ignore the other 3 nations, particularly when they'd be giving those 8.0's to the country that already receives the most complaints (in my opinion, for the silliest of reasons, too... (Eg: "I cant kill these stupid T-54's!"..... Plot twist: They were shooting at an angled glacis of 400+mm effective, and their 88mm APCBC round bounced...)).

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Well, sure, I'll give you that. But from that standpoint we're mostly just whining about rounds fired and possibly armor... There's more to a tank than its armor and rounds fired. 

 

I like to drive my M22 around in 7.3-8.0 games... and I'll annihilate T-54's. Moral of the story.... It's not how big your gun is, it's how you use it. Most soviet tanks have all of what, 2-4 degrees of gun depression? That's laughable. Most only have like 30 degrees of climb, too. So already, we can assume T-54's will be in the low ground because they cant climb, and even if they could, it would be no use because they cant shoot down. So, that is your advantage, that is my advantage, that is how you kill them.

 

 

Yeah, the non-soviet nations have lesser backups, but having fought all of said soviet vehicles (with good, and bad drivers), they aren't as good as what you're cracking them up to be... From my experience. Yes, put any of those vehicles in the hands of a really, really good player or a squad, and they're going to own the battlefield... but most of the time they aren't. 

 

 

What you need is some 7.3 diversification in the rest of the trees; the 8.0's will follow. I would actually support the T-55/62, knowing I could say "Yeah, well, if you get that, I think X nation needs this to balance them"... etc. And Gaijin, I don't think, would throw in 2-6 top tier 8.0's into one nation and totally ignore the other 3 nations, particularly when they'd be giving those 8.0's to the country that already receives the most complaints (in my opinion, for the silliest of reasons, too... (Eg: "I cant kill these stupid T-54's!"..... Plot twist: They were shooting at an angled glacis of 400+mm effective, and their 88mm APCBC round bounced...)).

well you can take things the way you do very very very far away. You pointed it yourself, it's not the vehicle it's how you use it. All russian vehicles from 7.0  and onward are very capable against what they face in the current game META, So having a biger number of vehicle is a very great advantage especially when you can spawn 5 more capable vehicles than the ennemy for a lesser cost. Basically as I said if a Russian player is good enough to make 4 kills in two vehicles he'll be able to respawn T54-47, SU-122-44, T44-100 or ZSU 57-2 all of which are more than capable of influence the course of the battle in skilled hands. Yet if other nations lose Leopard, Cheitain, M60 they do not have that back up ability safe USA with the M47. Other than that Germany and UK are stuck with totally outclassed Tiger 105 and Cent Mk 10 in a 8.0 game.

 

In the end I'm for adding these two tanks honnestly T55 is one my favourite tank of all time but strenghtening a line up that already overwhelms others isnt really good for balance without adding counter parts at the same time. In the end it all comes down to how Gaijin see things, but I do not see any major vehicle update coming any soon, it's clearly not the most important issue right now last man standing, penetration mechanics, badly modelled tanks should be number 1 priority.

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Well, sure, I'll give you that. But from that standpoint we're mostly just whining about rounds fired and possibly armor... There's more to a tank than its armor and rounds fired. 

 

I like to drive my M22 around in 7.3-8.0 games... and I'll annihilate T-54's. Moral of the story.... It's not how big your gun is, it's how you use it. Most soviet tanks have all of what, 2-4 degrees of gun depression? That's laughable. Most only have like 30 degrees of climb, too. So already, we can assume T-54's will be in the low ground because they cant climb, and even if they could, it would be no use because they cant shoot down. So, that is your advantage, that is my advantage, that is how you kill them.

 

 

Yeah, the non-soviet nations have lesser backups, but having fought all of said soviet vehicles (with good, and bad drivers), they aren't as good as what you're cracking them up to be... From my experience. Yes, put any of those vehicles in the hands of a really, really good player or a squad, and they're going to own the battlefield... but most of the time they aren't. 

 

 

What you need is some 7.3 diversification in the rest of the trees; the 8.0's will follow. I would actually support the T-55/62, knowing I could say "Yeah, well, if you get that, I think X nation needs this to balance them"... etc. And Gaijin, I don't think, would throw in 2-6 top tier 8.0's into one nation and totally ignore the other 3 nations, particularly when they'd be giving those 8.0's to the country that already receives the most complaints (in my opinion, for the silliest of reasons, too... (Eg: "I cant kill these stupid T-54's!"..... Plot twist: They were shooting at an angled glacis of 400+mm effective, and their 88mm APCBC round bounced...)).

There actually was a time when I was in my T-54 mod. 1951, there was a squad of 4 T-50s. It was on the Rhine map, and I saw two M-103s in the distance. Both shot at me and missed, and here come the trolling T-50s. xD

 

All 4 of them were ramming the M-103s, which both turned their gaze away from me and towards them. They could not even get their main guns low enough to hit the T-50s. So I was able to kill both M-103s at the cost of only 1 T-50, and 5 HEAT-FS Shells. It was so awesome.

 

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yes, USSR tank tree has a lot of decent tier V tanks. What I could suggest myself for the other trees is other variants of tanks we have now or are expecting in the near future. Such as the following:

 

USA: M48A1, M48A5 (Basically an early M60 with 105mm gun), M60A1, M60A3, or M60A2 (With 152mm gun).

 

Germany: 1st Leopard Prototype with Porsche Turret, 2nd Leopard Prototype, Leopard 1A3, Leopard 1A5 or 1A6 (with 120mm gun), or the MBT-70 (Leopard variant? with 152mm gun).

 

As for Britain, unfortunately I could not find much info on them.

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If you start balancing the game by looking what player has what, you'll never gonna make it.

 

You must look at the whole TV line up of every nation and it's needless to say that USSR gets on the top by far, they can spawn heavy number of 7.0 or 7.3 vehicles as back ups when they lose one 7.7 or 8.0 vehicle where other nation is stuck with only one viable 7.3 vehicle and thats the M47 patton, evbery other nation is stuck with completely outclassed 6.7 vehicles.

 

Meanwhile russian players have the choice between, t44-100, T54-47, IS3, SU 122-54 or ZSU 57-2 all of these vehicles can still be a very serious threat to any vehicle currently in the game.

 

Hell yes sure add more russian vehicles but balance the lineups first.

 

The thing is, balancing it based on the idea that every player has every tank and at least has HEAT-FS is a tad unfair too.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that the UK/US/Germany don't need more tanks, of course they do, all I am saying is that these would be nice as well.

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or the MBT-70 (Leopard variant? with 152mm gun).

 

As for Britain, unfortunately I could not find much info on them.

 

The German version was KPz. 70, which used the Leopard 2's 120mm. 

 

Not to mention, the MTU engine put out more HP than the US engine (iirc?). Between the gun, the armor, the suspension, and the powerful engine.... yeah no. nope nope nope...

 

 

Because then we basically open the door for M1 Abrams, Leopard 2, T-80U, Chieftain Mark XXIIIII, and the Type... 10... whatever japans MBT is.

 

But what do I know...?

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There actually was a time when I was in my T-54 mod. 1951, there was a squad of 4 T-50s. It was on the Rhine map, and I saw two M-103s in the distance. Both shot at me and missed, and here come the trolling T-50s. xD

 

All 4 of them were ramming the M-103s, which both turned their gaze away from me and towards them. They could not even get their main guns low enough to hit the T-50s. So I was able to kill both M-103s at the cost of only 1 T-50, and 5 HEAT-FS Shells. It was so awesome.

 

Back on topic:

 

yes, USSR tank tree has a lot of decent tier V tanks. What I could suggest myself for the other trees is other variants of tanks we have now or are expecting in the near future. Such as the following:

 

USA: M48A1, M48A5 (Basically an early M60 with 105mm gun), M60A1, M60A3, or M60A2 (With 152mm gun).

 

Germany: 1st Leopard Prototype with Porsche Turret, 2nd Leopard Prototype, Leopard 1A3, Leopard 1A5 or 1A6 (with 120mm gun), or the MBT-70 (Leopard variant? with 152mm gun).

 

As for Britain, unfortunately I could not find much info on them.

 

So... a 1961 tank with 5 RPM and no HE filler to compensate for its crap reload requires other nations to get 70's and 80's vehicles? The only thing Germany and US are missing are 50's vehicles like the M48 and whatnot. Germany just gets copy-pasta'ed with Leopards and its prototypes. 

 

The German version was KPz. 70, which used the Leopard 2's 120mm. 

 

Not to mention, the MTU engine put out more HP than the US engine (iirc?). Between the gun, the armor, the suspension, and the powerful engine.... yeah no. nope nope nope...

 

 

Because then we basically open the door for M1 Abrams, Leopard 2, T-80U, Chieftain Mark XXIIIII, and the Type... 10... whatever japans MBT is.

 

But what do I know...?

 

KpZ 70 had the 152 mm. First vehicle to mount the RM-120 was the KpZ 70 Keiler, which is way different. 

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So... a 1961 tank with 5 RPM and no HE filler to compensate for its crap reload requires other nations to get 70's and 80's vehicles? The only thing Germany and US are missing are 50's vehicles like the M48 and whatnot. Germany just gets copy-pasta'ed with Leopards and its prototypes. 

 

 

KpZ 70 had the 152 mm. First vehicle to mount the RM-120 was the KpZ 70 Keiler, which is way different. 

The M60A1 A2 and A3 were from the 60's. Not sure why you said 80's. :dntknw:

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The M60A1 A2 and A3 were from the 60's. Not sure why you said 80's. :dntknw:

 

Uhhhh... 

  • M48A5 is a 1976 tank.
  • M60A2 is a 1972 tank.
  • M60A3 is a 1978 tank.
  • Leopard 1A3 is a 1974 tank (IIRC).
  • Leopard 1A5 is a 1983-1987! tank.
  • Leopard 1A6 is a 1985 tank.

 

*Queue the stupid, confused, and dazed look*

 

What?

 

This is Germany's KpZ-70, including its armour composition and cannon:

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Most people like to take the armour diagram of the tank, but not bother to pay attention to the block of text that goes with it. Armed with the 152 mm as the 120 mm was never fitted. Wikipedia generally gets it incorrect because they apply the KpZ-70 = KpZ Keiler logic. Separate projects as the Keiler came after the MBT/KPZ project failure.

 

As for the Keiler:

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Originally armed with the 105 mm gun, RM-120 didn't get mounted into the vehicle until 1973 or somewhere around there. But as you can see, completely separate vehicle. 

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+1. I would support more later T-54/T-55 mods to compete with 60s Western vehicles as long as T-54 47 and T-54 49 are removed, and T-54-51 gets APDS and HEAT-FS removed while being lowered to 7.3 BR. The new T-54s and T-55s can take the place of the current T-54-51. This would help out with historical accuracy, too. And would lessen the future grind for T-62 (cannot wait for this tank, one of my favorites) Also would be nice to get a IS-3M firing heat with a battle rating increase, too. And get the stupid ZSU-57 up to 8.0 or have its spawn points increased to that of a medium tank

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Originally armed with the 105 mm gun, RM-120 didn't get mounted into the vehicle until 1973 or somewhere around there. But as you can see, completely separate vehicle. 

 

 

Looks similar to the M60AX, but not entirely sure when the AX was built.. late 70's probably?

 

 

Everybody tells me composite armor is the ultimate deflector shield, but if I had to wager, its not nearly the same as the Kontakt or ERA put on some vehicles...

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